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TTC after pregnancy loss - thread 27 - BFPs are coming!

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Yukka · 28/11/2018 19:31

New Thread as we're at 988 messages on thread 26. we'll do a quick roll call:
Age 39
TTC x1
MC x 3 = Sept + Dec 2017 + May 2018
Currently pregnant again 5w4ds
Diagnosed with APS/Hughes Syndrome. On Asprin since October and start Heparin tomorrow. First scan Monday.

xx

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Yukka · 25/01/2019 10:58

@dimblebimble the lines can be decidvung in the tests and they can detect different amounts at different times of day. Where are you up to ie days past ov and did you do a frer? My tests were always strongest later in the day rather than fmu despite what instructions say x

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Dimblebimble · 25/01/2019 10:25

Took another cheapie test today and it's lighter than yesterday :(

Yukka · 25/01/2019 09:24

@laney79 well obvs I can’t advise you to go against your dr but I think his point IS the point... if your uterine lining is too thick you could struggle with successful implantation even if healthy bean. My consultant said the same, after bfp - but it makes no sense. 75mg will just make your blood slightly thinner and starting on day one of cycle gives you a ‘cleaner’ uterine build up. I started after I gave last bloods for aps,about half way through October cycle and following month I was pregnant. I didn’t start the heparin until 5w 4d so I know that didn’t help implantation... I lost my first two at 5w. The only thing medically different from before was taking the aspirin ‘in readiness’ for implantation not afterwards. Surely it’s too late by then if the issue is implantation?

They say 75mg aspirin doesn’t do any harm, well, except for your gp! x

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Frillyfarmer · 25/01/2019 09:23

@Laney79 yes got a negative on 18th and checked again on 23rd after 3rd day of positive OPK.

Laney79 · 25/01/2019 09:11

@Yukka af wise pretty much...the most consistent cycle length I've had since coming off the pill was 26 days, with a 12 day luteal phase no matter what the overall length of cycle was. This cycle was 27 days with a 13 day phase so I wonder if the co-enz q10 is helping lengthen the luteal phase a bit. Only one month so we'll see. It is at least more normal than the past two at 53 and 35 days! But that was after losing bow so suspect my body has just been freaking out.

I tried reiki once-was very relaxing but didn't help really (it was during my first loss when my body wouldn't let go). My AF is pretty clotty, more so now after the mc's. I get a couple of very heavy days usually a medium day or two then spotting really. Not on aspirin, my dr said only at BFP as it could interfere with conception/implantation? Xx

Yukka · 25/01/2019 09:00

@laney79 sorry at arrived, was it on time and as expected? Good sign in itself hopefully.

Acupuncture might non be for you then. They’re not really needles more like tiny pins and you don’t really feel them going in but reflexology is supposed to be effective too and my SIL suggested Reiki but I never got round to trying that.

The only other thing my acupuncturist mentioned (ex midwife) was that healthy af should be long and flowy over a number days whereas mine were always short and clotty which can be a symptom of the APS but something they treat anyway in Chinese medicine. Have you started aspirin yet, if not I would start today x

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Laney79 · 25/01/2019 08:47

@Yukka Mine is two tablets for 200mg of co-q10, I get mine from Tesco! Not been taking omega 3 so I'll look at that.

I'm doing fertility reflexology but I'm petrified of needles (as well as medics in general!) so I've always stayed away from acupuncture. I've really had to psych myself up the blood tests (I used to have full on panic attacks, I can cope now but I have a whole regime I have to through with numbing gel, music, headphones, my fella there-I'm a nutter). Thank you for your advice, I really appreciate it.

AF arrived with a vengeance this morning. Ugh. How's everyone else? Xxx

Yukka · 25/01/2019 08:42

@laney79 I took the same vitamins as you and added omega 3 capsules and coq-10 I took two tablets a day but I’ll need to check dosage. I remember the research suggesting dosage was quite high to have an impact. I’ll message when I’m home next week.

The only other thing I did was the acupuncture and if I had to do just one thing again it would be that. I didn’t realise how unsymptomatic my cycles were even through ovulation until she really got it going, and hey presto the next month I was pregnant after only 3 sessions and taking her advice in between x

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Laney79 · 24/01/2019 23:33

And with the pic this time!

TTC after pregnancy loss - thread 27 - BFPs are coming!
Laney79 · 24/01/2019 23:32

Yeah the pregnacare includes all the iron/b12/folic acid supplements (see attached pic). I had my b12 and folate tested by the go and both fine but the red blood cell count seems to be consistently on the lowest edge of normal.

I've just emailed my epau nurse to ask if I should switch to folate from folic acid just in case I have the mthfr mutation.

Yep, on 200mg a day of co-enzyme q10 - hoping it makes a difference but we haven't caught this month. how much did you take?. So back on the crazy train once AF arrives properly and does her thing.

@Frillyfarmer have you had a negative test yet? I found my opks were positive until I got a negative pregnancy test-apparently the hormones are similar so the opk strips can pick up the hcg and give false positives xxx

Yukka · 24/01/2019 23:00

@laney79 I’ve always associated low or borderline low red cells with anemia. Although that doesn’t cause miscarriage it’s something to lookout for. My sis is a nurse (I’m visiting now for a few days) said check your supplements include iron, b12 and folate.

But - if the results so far are saying nothing is wrong, try and have a tiny amount of faith that your in the two-mc-only category.

Did you ever try the coq-10 for egg quality? I took that for the last two months before I got pregnant this time xx

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Frillyfarmer · 24/01/2019 22:54

Im 8days post miscarriage bleeding starting and so far this week I've had +tive OPK every day since Monday.

I'm just trying to track so I know where I am but I'm at a bit of a loss really.

Think I'm just floating in no mans land until I have a period and can start tracking properly again!

Laney79 · 24/01/2019 22:18

Thanks @Yukka - the result just says "negative" - no numbers. I had the lupus test which came back as 1.0 ratio which is apparently slap bang in range and therefore negative. They didn't do the beta glyco one so I've asked for a quote on that from my private testing lab.

I've just gone through all the tests I've had and added them all into a table so I could see and compare what I'd had done and what the results were. The things that stick out are barely passable vitamin d levels (which surprised me as I'm taking pregnacare which has 15ug per day so I've added a top up to that) and my red blood cell count seems to be consistently only just on the normal range (it was 4.20 just after my second loss and 4.19 in December -and normal range is 4.20-5.40) but not sure if I can owt about it or if it would have an impact.

12 weeks already! I'm so pleased for you. Fingers crossed all goes ok which the heparin reduction-must be scary. Keeping everything crossed for you. Xxx

Yukka · 24/01/2019 22:00

Hi @laney79 yes that should be the same test did they give you a level number or just say ‘normal’? Mine didn’t give me actual numbers but some places differ.
There are two other tests too that should be done alongside being beta-2-glycoproteins and lupus are they in the list?

FYI they are taking me off the heparin from Monday and only aspirin after that based on new risk assessment they think my challenge was getting past 12 weeks. Bit nervous but I have to trust them xx

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Laney79 · 24/01/2019 21:22

@Yukka hope you're well, sorry to bother-can I pick your brain on the sticky blood tests again? I'm just checking my results and I'm wondering if I had the right test ...on the list it says "Serum anti-cardiolipin level" which came back negative, is that the same as anti-cardiolipin antibody test? I'm toying with another batch of private tests and I'm wondering if I need to get an antibody one done if the original one hasn't covered it. Thanks xxx

Chilliandlime · 24/01/2019 10:14

@Laney79 it might also be excess vitamin B2 (riboflavin) causing the yellow wee. My acupuncturist recommended Wild Nutrition supplements which have folate but they're pricey compared to the main brands x

InDreamland · 24/01/2019 08:20

Thanks @Laney79.

Laney79 · 24/01/2019 07:37

@Lilimum6 Yeah the bright yellow wee appears to be excess folic acid, I guess mine is worse as I have the small dose in pregnacare plus the 5mg big dose separately from the GP.

How are you doing? Did you have any luck with the epau? X

Lilimum6 · 23/01/2019 22:42

@Laney79 yes mine is bright yellow too. Sorry about the bfn hun x
I m going to try seven seas I think 🤔
Side note I've been taking Vitamin D as well and I just read it helps with weight loss too bonus. I also found a fantastic iron supplement too its called spartone you can buy it from boots. I was taking iron tablets and it wasn't getting my levels up any better then my sonographer suggested it. And bam levels back to normal in just a 2 weeks. You just add it to fruit juice.

Laney79 · 23/01/2019 22:22

@lilmousey no real reason behind the mthfr other than it's a common mutation. They won't test me for it because I've not had three miscarriages (I've had two one in March, one in September). I could pay to get tested for around £150 but it seems the biggest issue is absorption of folic acid-if you have a certain variant of the gene you need folate instead. So my thoughts are if I don't know, and it's not going to harm, then might be worth taking folate instead?

@InDreamland sending you hugs for Friday-going away is a good idea

@Lilimum6 yep still using Clearblue connected. It settled this month and showed 4 high fertility before 2 peak fertility days-we bd'd the day before ovulation hence why my hopes were high...another test today was bfn though so not happy! I get my vitamins from Tesco as they are on 3 for 2. Side effects = bright yellow wee! Think it's the excess folic acid coming out in my wee.

@TinyPaws they took about 8 vials from me, that was basic bloods (fbc diabetes etc)plus thyroid, anti cardiolipid and lupus. Mine all normal xxx

InDreamland · 23/01/2019 22:02

Sorry, just to add, I then got pregnant again 3.5 months after the first mc which is odd given it had taken so long to conceive the first pregnancy. Maybe I'm reading too much into things but just in case I won't stop taking it now even if my iron levels are fine.

InDreamland · 23/01/2019 21:59

@Lilimum6 we were taking the hia and hers ones a few years ago but they did nothing for us so we stopped as like you said they are expensive. Boots or Tesco often have them on a 3 for 2 offer though. However, I started taking feroglobin in March last year for sonething else which is iron, vitamin B12 and folic acid - 2 months later I was pregnant ...... After 5 years TTC. Probably coincidence but DH is convinced they helped. I'm still taking them as worried about my iron levels in general.

InDreamland · 23/01/2019 21:54

@Mistymeow thank you. Yes I remember your cuddly toy cat you bought. We already have jewellery for our 2 lost babies but I'll see how i feel on Friday and might buy something to mark the day baby no.1 was supposed to join us. Have just booked hotel for Friday night so we're away. Think it's good we'll just spend some time alone together away from home.

@TinyPaws 8 vials sounds like a lot! I hope that you can get some answers and treatment for anything that might have been the cause so that your next pregnancy is a healthy baby you can bring home x

Lilimum6 · 23/01/2019 21:49

All you ladies that take pregnacare conception. Where do you buy yours, where I live it's nearly £7 for 30 tablets is that expensive or about right. I'm thinking of giving another brand a try any suggestions. Also I've noticed that when I take the pregnacare ones it makes my cm yellow but when I don't take it, it goes back to creamy. Tmi sorry ladies. Have any of you noticed side effects of pregnacare tablets?

Lilimum6 · 23/01/2019 21:43

@Laney79 are you still using your clearblue ovulation kit and is it any good

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