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Advice needed, Dp sperm morphology really low

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1Wish · 14/06/2007 09:43

Hi everybody,
Had my appointment with the specialist yesterday, who has confirmed I'm not ovulating, so I've been prescribed clomid

But as another blow i was not expecting dp sperm tests have come back dodgy. Count and movement are fine but his morphology is was only 1% on the first test and 2% on the secound. A normal count should be at least 15%.

The consultant said our chances of concieving are low but we should try with clomid for a year and then go for ivf.

I am absolutly gutted as i was sure it was just me who had problems. If anyone has any advice on how to improve morphology or their own stories it would be greatly appreciated.

The specialist just said 'keep your balls cool' basically, but im wondering if anyone's dp/dh has had supplements, diet or anything that helped them. thankyou

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RahRah1 · 14/06/2007 12:02

I know I am working from home as well today and paying all the bills etc... I'll end up sending invoices to strange people... I have loads to do and have done one letter so far! LOL

RahRah1 · 14/06/2007 12:00

Thanks littlefish, it has been very hard and a total blow, but life is constant and you have to get on with it. So we have picked ourselves back up and trying for another child. Which is bloody hard work in itself! (as you know)

Do you think your husband is convinced that you will conceive naturally because it is easier than having to deal with the emotions of IVF? At which point will he consider look at IVF? I hear about so many people that try and try and then book in for IVF and low and behold they get pregnant the month before they are due to start! It is so hard going through it all again as it ends up dominating years of your life.

1Wish · 14/06/2007 11:58

Sorry Littlefish but you have to admitt this is a juicy topic. I'm supposed to be researching my dissertation for uni, mite change the subject to 'the power of mn in modern society'!!!

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Littlefish · 14/06/2007 11:54

You lot are no good for me at all. I'm supposed to be writing a presentation.

I specially arranged to work from home today (the first time ever), and what have I done?????? Absolutely no work on my presentation, but lots of MNing!!!!

1Wish · 14/06/2007 11:54

RahRah I meant that for your other message, I keep crossing threads i can't type fast enough

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1Wish · 14/06/2007 11:53

RahRah you are funny

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Littlefish · 14/06/2007 11:52

Rahrah, so sorry to hear about your baby. That must be so painful.

My dh finally got there, and yes, we definitely worked together in the end, but he took a lot of convincing.

I think in the end, it was seeing how much it meant to me, and how much effort I was putting in that made the difference.

Also, when we started ttc, he really wasn't that keen on the whole idea anyway. 2 and a half years later, and being constantly told by the medics that we would almost certainly not conceive naturally brought out his competitive streak and he was determined to prove them wrong.

The downside is that we would love another child, and dh is still convinced that we will conceive again naturally. I feel that we were incredibly fortunate but that we've had our miracle, and we therefore need to have IVF asap (I'm 39).

Anyway - it's someone else's turn to have a miracle . So I'll pass it on to you lot.

RahRah1 · 14/06/2007 11:52

Well the first internal camera thing I had my husband found it fascinating and the nurse took great pleasure in showing him all my bits, whilst I squirmed uncomfortably on the couch! I don't think he was interested in the fact that I was having a scan, it was more he had never seen the insides of a women before!
The second one I took my mum and she was a bit more discrete!
That is a good idea actually about going out someone on the same day. We have an appointment on the 3/07/07 and I will suggest that to DH.

1Wish · 14/06/2007 11:51

Littlefish- sorry didn't see your last message (((hugs))) I'm sure your dd will be fine.
I think some people just choose to bury their heads over some problems, at least you know the full picture. Think i mite ask the doctor for the tests as well

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RahRah1 · 14/06/2007 11:48

LOL - I feel used - LOL

OMG - I really try with my husband, but he is exactly the same! The last two months I have had... "my balls have been bleed dry and I'm not having it anymore! You need to be more precise with your ovulation as you can only have sex once or possibly twice in that time!" WTF!!! What a drama queen!

Littlefish · 14/06/2007 11:47

Oh god yes, that bloody internal ultrasound. Just what I wanted, more knob shaped things!!!!

At the stage where we seemed to be having tests all the time, we decided to try and make each appointment as enjoyable as possible. We always booked somewhere lovely for lunch or dinner afterwards, which gave us time to be together and gave us a chance to talk (although funnily, we didn't usually talk about the tests or ttc).

RahRah1 · 14/06/2007 11:46

Littlefish - sorry cross posted.

It must of been a total shock and very stressful, I would of been the same as you and convinced myself that I had it too (yes, I join you in the drama queen devision). Our case is a bit different as we lost our baby in neo-natal and we decided against a PM. We thought the baby would of been genetically screened, but the pediatrician that came to see us afterwards advised that it is not standard unless requested. Then afterwards the consultant suggested both of us get genetically screened, just in case. But my husband is petrified 1) to admit that there was anything wrong with his son 2) terrified in case anything was passed on through him. However it is always the best thing to rule everything out and deal with things that are there. My DH seems to want to bury his head in the sand. But I have already told him that I will never forgive him if he did not have the test and it ever effected one of our children. It has still fallen on deaf ears. Hopefully he will change his mind.

You husband sounds like he really has got his head screwed on and worked with you. Mine tries but finds it difficult under pressure. I find it amazing that the family have not been tested... Its crazy how people just put things off!

1Wish · 14/06/2007 11:43

Lol RahRah1, you've just made me really giggle for the 1st time in ages. Your so right about ovulation time not that i get it very often but i try at the supposed right time anyway.
Anyway last time i told dp we needed to get down to it, he looked at me seriously and said he was begining to 'feel used' i mean ffs. Then when I get af or there's no chance he's up for it constantly!!

RahRah I think you should boycott work for today and talk to us instead, theres not enough said on male factor problems on mn, I'm finding this all very theraputic

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RahRah1 · 14/06/2007 11:34

LOL - totally agree!

I have had a lap and dye as well and had so much blood taken its unreal. I have had many internals and a couple of camera's in a place I really would not like one!
I had my genetic test ages ago and you just take a deep breath when they read out the results and deal with what ever is there. There is one thing certain in life if something is there you can not change it, but you can work with it once you know about it.
Do you also get the drama around ovulation time when they are too tired or not in the mood... but every other time they are bloody up for it!
And when this is all over and we are pregnant...yes its the women that has to deal with all the body changes and procedures still! God men get it so easy!

Littlefish · 14/06/2007 11:31

I think when the initial testing was suggested, it seemed such an impossibility that anything could be wrong, that dh just agreed to the test.

When the CF result came back, he was completely floored by it. There has never been a history of CF in his family so it was absolutely unexpected.

It's really hard not to try and see into the future and play everything through to the worst case. I, obviously, immediately convinced myself that I would be a carrier too, and that we would therefore need to have pre-implant genetic testing as part of our IVF. (I'm a bit of a drama queen too!)

Once I got the all-clear and we knew any children we had could not have cystic fibrosis, we relaxed a bit. Obviously, the issue will come up again, because at some point (probably when she's about 14), dd will need to be tested.

The funny thing is that dh talked to his parents about it, because obviously one of them is a carrier and it has implications for the cousins on one side of the family or other. To my amazement, they haven't done anything about it. That feels really wrong to me. 1 in 25 people is a carrier of CF and imagine how they'd feel if one the cousins had a child with CF.

1Wish · 14/06/2007 11:27

RahRah i know my partners not had genetic testing but i can symphathis (sp) about the sperm tests. Dp makes such a big deal of it, we've had massive arguments cos i've had about 10 blood tests (i'm scared of needles!) a hsg (ouch) and numerous other invasions. All he has to do is wank in a pot, sorry!!!!
Thats not counting the constant battle of fertility spotting, symtom spotting and dread when af arrives. sounds cold but men get it easy really, the least i feel they could do is be more enthusiastic about implementing a few lifestyle changes!!

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RahRah1 · 14/06/2007 11:23

Except I should be doing some work, instead of talking all day!

RahRah1 · 14/06/2007 11:22

I know what you mean 1Wish, everyone in my family and friends circles have no problem conceiving. In fact we started trying at around the same time as quite a few friends and some even have 2 kids now! Its just pants! Its so good to be able to ask questions and advise of others... XX

RahRah1 · 14/06/2007 11:19

My husband was given the test request in Jan 07 as he refused to have it at the clinic the day we were there. We had a certain amount of drama over the sperm tests and now it looks like he is quite set against the genetic testing. I think he is very scared they will find something wrong with him that lead to us losing our child or implications for future children. I however have had every test under the sun. He has only ever been asked for a bit of sperm and some blood! How did your husband deal with the genetic testing and then results? I keep approaching the subject and he does not want to discuss it at those points

1Wish · 14/06/2007 11:17

Sorry crossed threads with you littlefish, bless your husband for not drinking on a lads holiday, thats commitmnet for you

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1Wish · 14/06/2007 11:14

Thanks RahRah1 I thought it was just mine who was being an insensitive git.
I know he's gutted to and i should be symthathetic (sp) to his feelings. He thought he'd have a really high one and was joking that we'd frame the results!! He's a very manly man and i guess his ego's abit dented.
Can I just say it's so lovely being able to talk about this with others as there's no one in the real world i can talk to about it who understands.

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Littlefish · 14/06/2007 11:11

My dh really struggled with the news at first. I think it's just such a blow to them, and something they really feel they can't share with anyone else (friends I mean). Give him time 1wish. DH and I always dealt with it very differently. I wanted to rage, scream and cry at the unfairness of it all and dh just wanted to ignore it. Having acupuncture really helped me because at least half the session was spent just talking to the practitioner about how I was feeling. It gave me an outlet to explore some very distressing issues in safety. It also took dh much longer to come round to idea of giving up alcohol and caffeine. I gave up at least 6 months before him.

When dh decided to tell his very close friends that he was giving up drinking because of the IVF, they were unbelievably supportive, even when they went away on a lads holiday! My lovely dh didn't drink for the whole week and they respected that and didn't try and persuade him otherwise.

Yes rahrah, dh had genetic testing and then because he was a carrier, I had to be tested too. Luckily, my tests came back normal, so although dd could be a carrier like dh, we knew that she would not have cystic fibrosis.

RahRah1 · 14/06/2007 11:04

1Wish {{{{{HUGS}}}}}, my husband is exactly the same, every issue is black and white. I have to tip toe around every issue. But it will come to a point where he will have to talk about it as you will need treatment, or you fall pregnant naturally. Once either of those things happen he will instantly become emotionally involved. It is so hard for a man to find anything wrong with their fertility. I found my husband to be very guarded, but I think he was petrified about the whole situation.
Men are strange creatures and deal with everything so differently. I had to learn to give my DH some space from the whole situation... which was and still is frustrating for me, as I don't want to waste time for him to get his head round things etc etc... I know if the consultant advises on treatment for me and Dh this time, he will be hesitant. Where I would be 'at least something is happening'!!

1Wish · 14/06/2007 10:56

Ahrrgg littlefish don't say that. No he hasn't been tested.
Consulatant mentioned that men who do alot of long distance driving may be at risk from low morphology. Dp does travel all round the country. unfortunatly there's not much we can do about that, as it's part of his job.

I've joked he should sit on icepacks but he's not keen!!!

other thing thats getting me is dp is completly unwilling to talk about it, my mum says he's probaly in shock and that's how men deal with it, but i feel so alone. He's to black and white about issues and just says we'll see what happens. I'm the complete opposite I spend every minute day dreaming, planning and saying 'what if', and he just gets annoyed with me.
Sorry to rant

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RahRah1 · 14/06/2007 10:49

I am so asking for my husbands results... My husband has been asked to go for genetic testing, is that what you hubbie had?

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