Chart Spotters Unite!!

Ready - big hugs to you.

We're all in a bit of a pickle this month.

I have to call the doc this afternoon. Not quite sure what he will do.

I'm curious to find out what the other results show (LH, FSH and prolactin).

Have a fab time City.

I am thoroughly fed up today. No positivity, pre-menstrual tummy niggles ? certain the game is up, and I am sick to the back teeth of the whole thing. What is wrong with my stupid body

3cats - Sorry to hear about your thyroid. When you temped, did you have consistent temps below 36 degrees? ? it?s just I have been wondering about lower temps for a while now in connection with thyroid issues. What other symptoms do you have? If any? Sorry for all the questions, I hope you don?t mind? When do you call your doctor to discuss the way forward, it is good to know that there is medication you can take while trying to conceive.

Cityangel - Have a wonderful trip ? relax and enjoy! I would be inclined to see how you feel while you are away, and then when you get back you might not even think about temping/monitoring. I am terrible at lying (probably a good thing) and I wouldn?t be able to temp if DH and I had agreed I wouldn?t? but with you on the temptation factor though

MrsMc - Thanks for researching the temps for me. I wonder if you would cast an eye at my chart, if/when you have the time ? just to see if you think the difference/elevation between pre-ov temps and post-ov temps is good enough?? I have started to worry about the one or 2 below 36 temps, even though I didn?t get any this cycle, or last, and only 1 the cycle before ? hardly consistent ? but I can?t stop thinking about it . My book quotes 35.6 to 36.7 pre-ov as ?considered normal? - and I just don't know what to think!
Glad to hear your thyroid is fine ? but you are not fat Your migraine sounded awful ? your body really is telling you to relax isn?t it. Big Hug.

Hello everyone... I'm still at work

Still off to Heathrow tomorrow evening and then the US yipee

I don't think I'll be too stressed about not temping when away i think its when I am back I like the info from that and the CBFM. Still I could sneak the CBFM to work for 9/10 am tests but that would be deceitful

I am happy just swamped with work!

Stupid software is odd this month and I agree CD19 looks likely but I'll just wait and see now. If not (most likely) I can have a cocktail on the beach!

How is everyone else? Sounds like we're all a bit fed up?

Hi MrsMc. Nice to see you again, iyswim.
Sorry to hear about your migraine, horrid things they are.

Well I've read up on my test results. They indicate that I have an underactive thyroid. One of the symptoms is infertility!
An answer at last. My SIL has it and has to be on drugs forever with a higher dose to get pregnant. She had her dose increased and fell pg after a few months.
She lives in Germany, where it is more common. Eating lots of fish and salt can help but as a veggie who eats very little salt, I'm not in the best position.
Hopefully my GP will enlighten me tomorrow.

3cats ? sorry to hear that AF arrived. Glad that appointment was ok though. Hope the tests go ok. You sound so down, sending huge hugs. I hope you are feeling better. I had the worst migraine I?ve ever had last Weds. Totally blinded, it was horrible. Sorry to hear about the elevated thyroid, don?t know what that means but will check my book when I get back for you. I had mine checked last week too, it came back fine so not my excuse for being fat

Cityangel ? quite a dilemma! I know what you mean on all counts though. I?d find it really hard to give up TTC but at the end of the day, a short break might make all the difference to the rest of your life and none to TTC. It is so hard to know what?s best! Go with your gut, that?s all you can do. PMSL at your expensive shag! wouldn?t that just be sods law to fall now?!

Glad the appointment went well. It is so annoying when they dismiss charting and tell us its causing stress?! I feel so much worse without it and having been the proud owner of a BFP even if only for a little while, I can say with confidence that I am a believer as my chart did all the things the book said it would. Great that the ultrasound went well

Ready ? I checked the TW book for under 36 degree readings when I got so many of them in the past. As you know, my pre-OV temps are consistently under 36. I know that consistently getting really low ones with not much elevation for OV can be a sign of thyroid issues however, the ones I have are still in the normal range (35.8 -35.9) and I now know for sure that my thyroid is fine as it was tested last week I?ll check the range for you again tonight.

Duchesse ? thank you for explaining that, it was really interesting

Seaside ? sorry about AF

Hello Rubles

I?ll have a chart spot tonight ladies and I promise not to fall so far behind again

Sorry I've been away so long. I'll try and catch up but bear with me! I have been missing you all!! How are you???

Hi Ready.

I got one of my blood test results back today. Thyroid function. It is far too high, whatever that means. I have to call my gp tomorrow to discuss it with him and get the other 3 results.

Anyone have any idea what a high thyroid function means?

Had a wee chart spot... not really sure who is on this thread and who is on the temp buddies one...

It is very quiet on here at the moment, I have said that on a couple of threads - it seems the sparkle is missing

City - I think that your OV should show as CD19 personally - what do you think?? Have a lovely time, and try not to think about ttc - impossible I suspect.

3cats - How are you doing?

MrsMc - I saw on the other thread you are back at work and getting the icy shoulder. That is not on. Hope you are ok. Don't let them worry you - eejits!

It is quiet.

When are you off City?

I'm getting very irritated with my software it keeps doing wierd things but tomorrow is my last day temping for a month

Still I'll be away for 2 weeks in a different time zone so that would have messed them up anyway.

How is everyone else. It's been very quiet in here?

Morning ladies.
How are we all today?

I'm off for a chart spot now.
See you later.

I think its over the temps but haven't been as attentive as normal so could be anything!

Happy weekend everyone particularly those doing watching or having fun with the marathon

Oh, almost forgot. City - when I had a chart spot, I noticed that the software moved your OV to CD20 - is that based on the monitor over the temps??

City - That is great that you got the all clear, and that it wasn't too bad a procedure. It's cool that you got to see everything as well. How are you feeling?

3cats - Hope your migraine has gone and you are feeling better

City - glad the test went well.

Have a good weekend all.

Afternoon test went better than expected. Got the all clear from ultrasound. I got to see my uterus, lining, ovaries and folices which was unexpected.

How is everyone else doing? Enjoying the weekend?

Yeah it was a he and the dismissive short LP was more irritating than the charting comments. Still we've got some basic tests scheduled so that should help.

This afternoons test needs am empty bladder. I bet it feels empty right up until the point they start

I think I read that wrong, I looked further down the thread and you said "he" for the consultant... sorry

It's so quiet on MN at the moment, well, certainly the threads I am linked to.

City good luck with your scan - I am sure it will be fine. But understand your nerves! The things women have to do huh! It can't hurt to stop temping for a month, like Rubles says and see how you feel - not how you are expected to feel. I was surprised it was a woman consultant that was so dismissive on the LP. Have a lovely time when you go away,

Thanks for all the wonderful messages they really cheered me up. Things are manic I handed in my notice and I'm going away next week.

Today I have a transvaginal ultrasound Bit nervous but should be ok.
Dh doesn't have a sperm test until June, but maybe he can get on the waiting list.

I saw a female outpatient consultant at Barts. I don't agree that temping stresses me out I find it a very useful guide, but I am going along with it for a month to keep dh happy. I imagine it will come up on holiday in discussion. Ready I completely agree with you and I really don't need a doctor to point out the more sex the better

I can't do the CD3 test this month as I will be away so I'll have to do it a month later. They'll also test for Rubella.

How is everyone else. I will try and pop back in later to see how its going.

3cats -Sorry to hear that you suffer with migraines. My bestfriend?m mum suffers really bad. And when they hit, she has to sleep ? that is the only way to get rid of them. No painkillers work and they come with sickness and are hormonal.
I agree it would be a good idea to investigate what your triggers are.
Awful about your blood tests, and all the leaking ? hope everything comes back clear.

Cityangel - It is really sad that the consultant said that charting was causing you to stress out which can cause the infertility. I am sure that in some cases, charting can cause women to stress out, but I would imagine those would be the charts that don?t show any clear patterns, which is a sign that something is not working as it should. So is it the stress that is causing the fertility or the potential problems that need investigating. I think it is far too easy for them to say, oh the charts are causing your infertility. Stop charting and see what happens.
Do you feel stressed out by charting? I always say that if you do, then charting isn?t right. But I know that for me, charting calms me, I can see a pattern in my temps, and I feel that we are doing the best we can.
I don?t suppose it can hurt to stop charting for a couple of month, have sex every 2/3 days and see what happens.
Hang in there flower. Fingers crossed all the test go well.
When do you start your new job?

Who did you see Cityangel? I think the temping/charting thing stresses some people out but makes others feel better. Maybe you could try not charting for a month or so and make your mind up based on your own reactions - not on how the consultant tells you you should feel.

I know that after 12 months of ttc I was still charting, but it was only as a background thing which didn't really figure too highly in my life as I could read my body and my CM very well at that point. (In fact, in the final month when I did eventually get pregnant the temps didn't rise and the opks inconclusive so I thought it was my first anovulatory month.)

When is your next appointment for the results? When I went for my results he just said they were 'all OK apart from my fsh'. I wanted to know all the hard facts and numbers though, so I had to draw each one out of him one by one. I felt like I was being a pushy hypochondriac but I really wanted to know everything to feel in more control. If you are like me then be prepared to have to do that.

City - glad your tests are booked, when are they, do you know yet?

Sorry about the consultants view on temping.
They all have their own thoughts I guess.

I do feel less stressed by not temping but I wouldn't say I feel no stress, it comes with the ttc territory doesn't it.

This month DH goes away when I'm on CD20, so if I ov on CD19 like lasy cycle, we should be jsut in time to try. Hopefully I won't get too worked up and delay Ov.

So you are in the 2ww after your 'naughty' episodes. Have you got long to wait now?

I might research the migraine stuff again. I guess with age things may have changed.

I can't take any of the strong migraine drugs as they totally knock me out, not good with a 3 yr old in the house.

Thanks for the info.

3catsoo I suffered from abdominal migraine as a child (worth a google) my triggers are chocolate/ red wine/ flashing light

Everyone is very different, but there are trials, options and you maybe want to consider eliminating 'triggers' one by one in case you can recognise how they are onset eg. food/ light/ lack of sleep/ stress

Then going forwards you can tackle them early

As I understand family experience you have to catch them early to take things like 'migraleve' as they are preventative drugs.

My mum and dh's father suffer and its defintely no fun

Maybe get your doc to start from scratch and re-evaluate your options?

It was good from a get the main tests male/female ordered...

But efectively he told dh temping/charting was bollocks and that my temping/charting was stressing me out and the route cause of out infertility (bollocks) and also dismissed the concept of a 9/10 luteal phase even being a contributing factor.

Dh has now decided that temping/charting is like a cult and not to be continued 'because the doctor said so' not only that but we paid loadsa money for the CFBM just to leave it in the cupboard because it 'stresses us out' to be honest we would have no idea when I OV if it wasn't for that tool.

So to entertain dh I am going for 2/3 days sex no useful monitoring its silly but workable this month as we're away from Tues

Anyway if it wasn't for MN I wouldn't realise how diverse the NHS fertility advice is. I know of other doctors who value the charts and recognise the short LP phase issue etc.

Feeling high about the sheduled tests but low tha now dh sees temping/ charting in witchcraft terms