Chart Spotters Unite!!

Seaside sorry about your argument. Is all resolved today?
at your good weather. Not that I am in a position to enjoy it. Another migraine day today .

Ready yes Dh laft at 6'30 this morning. Will be back late Monday night.

Yes it's lasagne for tea tonight!!!!
Although I will be sharing it with 4 friends. I am making the most of DH being away and having a girly night. So I made the filling for the lasagne last night and will put it together later, if this migraine calms a bit. [wishful thinking emoticon].

I had another group of friends here this morning. We meet up only about once a year but decided this morning to try and meet monthly instead, which was nice.

But with that and tonights meal at my house, I feel I have a rushed day with heaps of housework to do. I was still mopping the floor when my friends started arriving this morning .
I'm such a last minute merchant.

How is everyone else today?

Seaside - Really sorry to hear that arguments ensued between you and DH. Big Hug.
Noticed on your chart you have had 2 temps not in the normal time range ? are you having disturbed sleep, chick? Hope you are ok?
Sorry the weather was so good but you had no time to sunbathe ? boooooo!
Chuckle at the gold stars - here

3cats - Very well timed effort ? perfect I?d say! Fingers crossed for you. Is your DH from today? Does that mean you can have lasagne and tortillas without complaint
I?m getting the cold and dull weather today, so I am obviously a day behind you

MrsMc - Please don?t think I am being rude, but I just had to say, that I giggled at ?sore calves? on your chart ? I wondered what the significance could be with regard to ttc. Your temps certainly would indicate ovulation on 18 ? but the EWCM and your normal OPK trend certainly point to 17. Is the software programmed to put the temp pattern first? Hope you are ok?

Cityangel - Hope the holiday is doing you the world of good! You do realise that if you conceive out there, you will be forced to name the baby Orlando or Miami or Atlanta

Weather was amazing here today - hot enough to sunbathe - but I was busy all day !!

3cats -Dont be - honestly it has taken about 8 months to work up to that effort and I am still a liitle amazed and I think we only managed that cos DH was away CD6-11 and you know what they say about absence! I know I sound pessimisstic but I still think it will be all be for nought - but at least we have proved we have ben able to do it more than twice in the week and get a High score from FF (Ready - you know how I like my gold stars!!)

Anyway it all went pear-shaped last night when we both fell asleep and then woke again an hour later - had a try but DH's swimmers did not want to come out to see me despite great effort - cue stress and a 3am arguement in the seaside bedroom - Knew it couldn't last

MrsMc - if only effort=reward

Cityangel - hope hols are still going well

The weather continued to be dull and cold all day. I'm obviously in the wrong place.

The weather is gorgeous here!!

Hope everyone is doing well... I best go and have a nosy at the charts! Fingers crossed everyone!!

Hey Seaside lets hope effort = reward

Hello 3Cats it was dull and cold this morning but it is much nice now so glad that you got what you needed last night

Morning ladies.
How is everyone on this dull and cold morning?
What happened to the weather? I thought it was going to be nice all week.

Seaside your efforts make me feel so unfit .

DH is in my good books again, after giving in to my demands again last night. No football but he did go swimming until 10pm, so got home at 10.30 to a desperate h/w.
I was in shock when he gave in so quickly. He obviously knows when he's beat!

Off for a chart spot.

Thanks for all the chart compliments DH says he needs to go away more often!! I have to say this is the best effort we have made since the first three months of TTC last year

But there is a long way to go yet and I really want to keep it going (not every day!) for the next week.

Ready - my moon day falls on CD1 of next cycle if I have another 26dayer this month Rubbish!

And yes 3cats - there seem to be bumps and buggies everywhere

Great looking chart Seaside and look at all that BDing I agree, you must have OVd on cd13, everything points to that

Fingers crossed Rattling

Chart looks good for your chances 3cats!

Ready, Minxi & Iwillbe ? looked at yours too

3Cats ? I always start too early with both the BDing and the OPKs!! No wonder we run out of steam. Sounds pretty good for today though one good and one best is pretty good fingers crossed. I think your DH was a bit mean, he must know how much this baby means to you and what you are having to suffer to get there. Sorry, I have no right to judge your DH but that sounded like a really mean thing to say Bet you are looking forward to some cheese eating peace when he goes away! ) I think that you only get a +ive when the levels are high enough for you to OV and it?s the trigger so don?t think you can get +ive afterwards (unless 2 eggs are released? But you probably wouldn?t notice as that generally happens within 24 hours of the 1st one being released doesn?t it?) I think a +ive can mean OV anytime between 12 & 36 hours away. I always assume (and normally my software agrees ) that you OV sometime between the last +ive and 1st ?ive.

Seaside ? we are all guilty of predicting what comes next I think! Have to say, I do expect the software to go back to the original OV date once we get further into the 2WW. How are you getting on with the flower essences?

Ready ? glad to have the old positive ever-Ready back again! Think you are right about LH and the OV process but my OPKs say 12 ? 36 hours

Hey Cityangel ? hope you are having a great time! Where are you now? On the topic of the CBFM ? where?s the harm in a little secret?! Thanks for your thoughts. The MN community have been fabulous about it it really helps. Next step is a referral to a haematologist but it could take a while . All other tests were fine including iron which was 86 whatever that means but apparently its fine Haven?t booked the holiday yet but hope to soon. I should be in London for work anyway over the next few months, I?ll let you know, it would be fun to put a face to a name! Damn Champions League hey! Of course, I?m next with my BFP but you can all join me!

Off to chart spot???

So, Rattling, Seaside and MrsMc are in 2ww. Fingers crossed ladies.
Minxi, City, iwillbe and Ready in pre Ov stg.
Me, day of Ov, soon to be 2ww.

It's much easier with the new thread. At least we can see who is still with us. Thamks MrsMc for that.

Is it me or are there bumps everywhere?
I can't leave the house without seeing a pg women. I'm sure there are more at this time of year.

I'm off to drink lots of water (I have a different problem today which is a bit strange - TMI coming up.......................................................I'm constipated and rather uncomfortable ) Sorry, I had to share that.

I just awnt to say thankyou for the advise on opks.

I tested again last night, 8pm, and got a positive. By 12 o clock today there was the faintest line ever, only just visible (so I put -ve). Now today is my Ov day.

Well the football won last night, despite my efforts . It wasn't even DHs team playing!
We had a bit of a row in bed, but he did finally give in and as he put it 'you got your way and got what you wanted, my sperm!'
Charming!! (but true)

More footy tonight and I really don't fancy my chances. Lets hope last nights efforts were good enough. I have one good and one best. Tonight would be even better but that might be pushing my luck.

Hi city, good to hear from you.

I'll just go for a chart spot and come back.

Hi everyone xxx just checking in for 5 minutes.

I apologise in advance Ready for the holiday references. I don't miss temping but I will miss the CBFM. It works. However I don't plan on giving that up. I paid good money for the damn thing why wouldn't I use it? Even if it has to be in secret.

MrsMc sorry to hear about your results. It seems the MN community have been very helpful in sharing experiences. What did the doc say is the next step? Its good to be armed with knowledge but ultimately frustrating if there's no easy way forward. What referal options are available?

Have you booked your holiday? Fancy meeting in a London airport for a beer? Or Manchester with Ready?

Dh is looking grumpy again. Your dh will sympathise. Our team lost today :0( Man U play tomorrow. I finally found evening primrose oil here so AF symptoms are way better.

We are due some BFPs who is next? 3catsoo, seaside, mum03 & everyone I am running out of time here... I hope you are all doing good xxx It's nice to catch up with everyone wherever I am. xxx CA

Seaside - at the A&F new face reel
I completely agree with you ? FF is wrong, I can?t understand why it has put OV as 12 ? it?s clearly 13. I wonder why it has done that But I have had that, it put it as a day I knew I hadn?t ovulated, so I put in a figure and it changed ? so if that will happen for you too ? then panic over
? I am hardly a master ? if I was I wouldn?t still be ttc would I? I think it is a good idea to have a rest - fingers crossed you keep it going throughout the rest of your cycle ? making sure the moon-phase day gets a special treat

3cats - I?m feeling more chipper now, thanks. How are you? Men can be funny can?t they! ROFL at thinking cheese will give him a heart attack Although, I know it?s not a laughing matter when you are dealing with it . Fingers crossed you get a +ve OPK before Friday! I know the first month I used them I got so stressed by them, ran out of 10 and ovulated late on 19 (unheard of for me!) ? so I can empathise with the confusion.

MrsMc - I am feeling more chipper, thanks! I giggled at your ?shots at goal? analogy ? I know what you mean! I am not too sure I understand the OPKs all that well ? I thought that a + signalled that OV would occur between 24-36 hours?? I thought that the LH triggers the ovulating process, so the hormone will fall again before the egg is out ? am I completely bonkers with this? I realise it isn?t helping pinpoint ovulation for you either

City - Hope you are having a wonderful time!

Aha - MrsMc - I think I have figured my software weirdness out. If I enter another highish temp for tomorrow it shifts ov to CD13 which I think is more like it. Maybe your will move again also?

3Cats -You could try some flower essences - they are my new de-stressing tool (and contain a teenie bit of brandy !)
I am using White Chestnut and She Oak (ordered online).
Glad you liked the models -

Thanks for the advise on the opks. For the last 2 days I've tested twice a day. I only have 3 tests left now, out of 10! I started testing early, just in case. I guess as DH is away from Fri, I won't need to test anyway. So I can use the 3 tests over 2 days. Or should I test again tonight? Oh the stress. I'm getting worse.
So if I get a proper +ve tomorrow, when will Ov be/have been? The software suggests the day after a +ive. If you get 2 +ves it suggests the day after the last +ve.

Sorry I'm going on a bit aren't I.
I think I need a glass of wine to de stress me (and I don't drink).

I'm with you on the models Seaside.

Ready ? You sound more perky again I am so glad. Re my chart and chances, I know I have one good one hon just wish there were more shots at goal in there, that said, it was a full moon last night I think so I am close to my ideal moon date I think!

3Cats ? really hope you manage to shatter DH?s defences this evening This cycle, this is how I used my OPKs:

cd13 ? 7pm ?ive
cd14 ? 11am ?ive & 7pm ?ive
cd15 ? 11.15am ?ive & 5pm ?ive
cd16 ? 12pm +ive
cd17 ? 12pm ?ive & 7pm ?ive

Now, I know that your LH levels can rise and then drop and you don?t OV and that is why some people say they are unpredictable but on the basis of those tests, I still think I OVd between 12pm cd16 and 12pm cd17 don?t you?

Hi Seaside ? see your software and OPKs are in conflict like mine! Very of your efforts!! Good luck you!

oops just realised that Ready posted a link for A&F already - but sod the clothes- this is what I was talking about drool

3Cats - My tip on the the opks is to test in the afternoon 2-6pm -as soon as you get a faint line then test again before bed -and then twice a day until you see strongest line. It seems to work really well for me. This month I did my first test at midnight on CD11 (cos I am so boringly regular I can pretty much predict what will happen before I pee IYKWIM!!) and it was nice and strong so I tested again at 5pm the next day and it was still strong- then by midnight that night it had faded a bit and by the 5pm the next day CD14 it was quite faint again.

However after all that FF still seems to think I ov on CD12 when I am sure it was CD13??

Oh btw A&F stands for Abercrombie and Fitch - it is a really nice US clothes shop - all kinds of vintage jeans and preppy things - but the male models and usually the sales assistants are droolworthy!! check out the website! Actually they have just opened a shop in London - arghh the temptation
Also - so sorry about DH stress -(My DH cooks for me at least ahlf the time but I know I am very lucky and I have to sa he does not even know what housework is!! it is so hard to know how best to deal with the complicated male species and their emotions

Ready - thanks for the compliment on BD effort - coming from the a master like you that is much apprreciated!! I am still a bit in shock that we managed it - am going to give him a rest tonight but am scared if we stop we wont start again like most months and I really want to have a few more "gos" before AF just to prove that we can IYKWIM (LOL - sounds like I am talikng about a fairground ride or somethng)

Hi ready, I'm glad you cleared that one up for me, I was wondering what A & F stood for. Am I totally uncool?

I'm good, thanks for asking.
How are you doing today?

DH gets a bit like this over food. He thinks he's going to have a heart attack if I feed him too much dairy stuff.
He's being a bit naughty at the mo. I think he's using these little things to distance himself from me as he knows it's peak time coming up. I am going to try and dress to impress this evening to tempt him . Although I need some caffeine first to keep me awake until then .

I got another feint line on the opk today. I have marked both feint lines as +ve on ovusoft, I will change it if I get a proper +ve.
I only have 3 more chances this cycle as DH goes away very early Friday morning. Hopefully Ov will happen in the next 2 days.

Hope you're having a fab time City.

MrsMc, it is so frustrating when Ov keeps moving, I do feel for you.

Right... had to know what all this A&F excitement was about - I thought it was all "dude" clothing - so had a nosy, and I like this

Seaside - Excellent effort on the chart!! Way to go! Fingers and toes crossed it pays off!! But remember to get your moon phase day covered too

MrsMc - If the chart is right, you got one in before and after ov, so that is not bad is it!? Remember it only takes one!

3cats - Sounds like things are really stressful for you at the moment (hug) - sorry to hear that there is tension. V [shocked] at the food war - if DH didn't eat what I cooked - he'd go hungry. I can't see why a couple of dishes with cheese in deserves a moan - is there something on his mind at work, and perhaps he is deflecting it by picking silly fights. Hope you are ok?
I am not an expert with the OPKs, but I think you are right, faint lines signal a build up. Seaside and MrsMc both test a couple of times if a faint line appears. It is usually a good sign... they'll be able to better guide you.

Rattling - Did the GP give you a plan of action after DH results? I know that dietary changes can have an effect! It's definitely worth a try isn't it!

Mum03 - I don't think I have felt as down as I did last week. It was awful. A real low. But I am on the up again. I don't know what it is, but I can't seem to stay low. A true glutton for punishment hey! Fingers and toes crossed for you! I know you feel that Cd1 is approaching - but while there is still hope. I will keep hoping

Cityangel - I hope you are having a lovely time! Have a cocktail for me chick!! Strawberry Dacquiri is one of my old faves! How's it feeling not temping? I am toying with having a month off soon! Cold-turkey

Hope everyone is grand!

software has changed OV from Thurs to Fri making BD this cycle even worese one "best" but the rest "low" or "very low" at least I had one "good" before it change the Ov date

Ready and Cityangell I?m sorry, I hope you are both ok. The first few days of the new cycle are the worst aren?t they? Sending hugs.

Cityangel ? enjoy those cocktails without any guilt whatsoever! I?m not skinny and I have an A&F jumper!

Rattling ? fingers crossed for you

Mum03 ? your post for Ready was lovely and very wise advice

3Cats ? sorry to hear about DH it is hard enough TTC when you are both enthusiastic, never mind having the additional stress of will they or won?t they help me to achieve this I really feel for you. I know what you mean about the OPKs, I like the ones where you get a line or not a fainter line meaning ?ive I guess a lighter line could be less LH than is needed to OV at that stage? My DH won?t eat an evening meal without meat in it it is so annoying especially when we?d both benefit from the reduction in calories. It sounds like there is a bit of tension in your house at the mo and no wonder

God knows what is going on with me, after a good +opk and related CM, my levels of progesterone don?t seem that good as the thermal shift is still to happen

Sorry about AFs Ready and City.

Good idea to create another chart thread. Now I just have to remember what to do.

DH is still being a bit awkward (sp?)with me.

Today I had a feint line on the OPK, not really feint but still not as bright pink as the control line. These tests confuse me. I think Ov is going to be today or tomorrow, so could the feint line just be building up?
I don't think DH is in the mood for a week of bding .
He gets really peed off lately if I haven't managed to do all the housework and produce a balanced meal for his return. (I am a cheese lover but DH doesn't like to eat too much dairy stuff. I do cook everything myself but if it's got cheese in he moans. He wasn't too happy when last week I made a veggie lasagne followed by a spanish totilla the night after. I find it very wearing (sp?)).

Sorry had a bit of a DH moan there.

Will be bacl later to catch up.

Ready -
Cityangel -

Ready - I am so sad to hear that that you are feeling so upset about wanting to be a mother. I can truely empathise with that feeling and it is one that I will never forget having. The pain is so strong. But you are stronger Ready and you will get through this. Try to be kind to yourself, if you need to get away from where you are - do it, take a break, run away for a bit and then when your strength has returned, the world will not seem such a cruel place, and you will be able to move ahead. I have never heard you so down as you have been this cycle, please let us know if there is anything that we can do to help you.