Chart Spotters Unite!!

I'm glad you've read that about dairy . Camembert for supper.

I tend to have a normal cup of tea in the morning and then drink decaff for the rest of the day. Although I only have 3 or 4 cups if I'm lucky.

I'm hoping DH is in a good mood tonight. It would be good to make it 4 in a row. Ov is apparently today, so we need to make the most of it.

Let's hope 11 is lucky for both of us 3cats huh! With our extra LP days

It's funny that you say that about dairy being a potential hinderance (sp?) - I read not that long ago that full fat dairy is better than low fat dairy for fertility. There's always something conflicting out there isn't there. I am like you though, I couldn't cut out dairy. I am a cereal girl, I hate it when I have to have toast in the mornings. I also think that the calcium in dairy is too beneficial to women to cut it out.

What am I doing differently this month... well let's see. Referral appointment mid cycle, and trying to eat healthily and exercise more. I've lost quite a bit of weight over the last few months, but more through deprivation than exercise - so I need to change that and be more active. Other than that I am just going to carry on regardless.

What will be, will be.

It's good to cut down on the caffeine, I usually have a cup of tea in the mornings, and maybe one in the afternoon. I have found Rooibos tea is a really nice alternative, that can be drunk with milk, just like proper tea. It's naturally caffeine free. www.rooiboschtea.com/home/

Don't be sorry Ready.
Sorry about AF.

So we are both on cycle 11.

My LP also got longer in my 10th cycle. Had always been 11 days, suddenly went to 13 .

Lets hope the summer brings us some luck.

I'm Oving earlier this cycle, today I think.
I have awful tummy pain though. It feels tender to touch.

Are you going to do anything differently this month?

I've tried to cut down on the caffeine, not cut it out completely. I'm taking prenatal vits too.
I was going to try and cut out dairy stuff as that's meant to hinder conception, but I just can't do it. I love cheese to much and have cereal for breakfast. Maybe if this months efforts don't work I will cut out dairy next month.

Big hugs to you Ready.

Not much to say today. CD2. Longer than normal LP...14 days, first time ever. Wonder what that means??

Hmmm. Anyway. My temp dipped sufficiently to stop me from believing I was pregnant, though I did wonder if it was possible. Idiot.

So Cycle 11 and No Hope.

Sorry for the mope.

Very confusing, yes.
Infact after dragging his heels a few days ago, he's put a big smile on my face 3 nights in a row, without any pressure from me.
Not sure if he knows what he wants.

The sensible thing would be to sit and chat about it properly, but 1) I'm not sensible and 2) I'd rather just take advantage of his weak moments and .

You are like me then Thinking. We were spoilt the first time by falling quickly.

I hope you don't have to wait too long this time.
Fingers crossed for a productive summer.

3catstoo, Thanks for the further information. I didn't think you were trying to trick him, it just sounded confusing and from what you said it IS confusing for you and your DH.

Sorry, it is taking so long to conceive this time, I suppose we all forget that the average conception time is a year.

We were lucky and fell pregnant first cycle with our DD and I keep trying to remember that fact for this time around but of course I still want it to happen straight away.

Wow, City. What were you doing up at that time?

What has your consultant advised to do next?

Mine was a bit like yours. Infact I saw a different person each time and felt like I had to explain everything allover.
As long as they give you the opportunity to have all the right tests I think that's all that matters to them. Some just get on with it a bit quicker.

Still can't understand why you have to wait so long for your DHs results either.
Our letter states that you will have the results within 7 days of the test. DH is going in Sept. (even though he is still swaying on the matter of another baby.

I hope things move on for you. Don't lose heart. We are here for you and can totally understand your feelings. That's the nice thing about MN (most of us are in the same situation and battling the ttc rollercoaster).
Big hugs. (((((((((((((hugs))))))))))))))

Thinking yes your guess was right. Sorry to confuse you.
My situation is rather confusing, even for me.
To cut a long story short, DH is not as keen to have another baby as me. But for 10 months he has, mostly, not done anything to stop it from happening and did kind of 'give in' to my wishes. Every now and then he puts his foot down though, after a hard week at work and feeling tired and stressed etc, he decides he's done enough.
I, on the other hand, am getting more obsessed by the second. When I finally convinced him to give it a go I was under the illusion that after conceiving relatively easily 4 times (1m/c 3 DCs), that I would again. Now into the 11th cycle of ttc and after having various tests and xrays there is no obvious reason for us not conceiving. I think that frightens him now. Sounds silly but I think after a few months of not no success he thought it just would not happen and that I had something wrong with me. Now that is not the case (other than a slightly underactive thyroid which is being treated) he believes it really could happen any time.
Hope that clears it up for you.
I'm not trying to trick DH into getting pregnant as it may have sounded. He is just wavering again and I'm not standing for the messing about.

Infact he went to the pub for a couple of beers and came home in a good mood and needed no persuasion from me .

No news from MrsMc or Seaside. I did see a post from Iwillbe on another ttc thread. I understand that she had a m/c but couldn't work out if she was pg again.

Sorry I went on a bit.

Hello everyone,

Reaching for the drawer is a tough one 3catsoo. I don't have much personal experience but I recommend a good honest chat together (and the wine in the fridge)

Ready your doctor sounds better than ours. I thought the referral would result in a qualified sensible bod oh no ours was a cold hearted clerk just going through the motions...

The whole subject is so stressful we barely talk about it.

I used to get so excited going on MN considering myself a near expectant now I feel a bit silly almost as if I'm male and it's not possible anyway!

Ho Hum lots to be happy about. How is MrsMC getting on anyone heard? Also Seaside, Iwillbepg and everyone else that used to be on here?

Off to bed before the birds get really annoying.

3catstoo, Is 'reach into drawer' equal wants to use a condom ? Sorry, If I'm getting that wrong but that is confusing.

I caught part two of the 'Make Me a Baby' show.Part very interesting and part frightening...I hated the mass pregnancy test..seemed so impersonal.

I think I'll watch the third one.

Yes if only that was all he wanted to pull up .

I really feel like Ov is imminent, very very spotty, EWCM etc. But -ve opks.
I think I will aim for a productive weekend.
I've put DH's wine in the fridge ready .

Sorry you are still having cramps. Hope AF doesn't come and ruin your weekend.

Did you catch the 2nd episode of the baby making programme last night?
It did repeat alot of the first one.

Take care
Big hugs
xxxxx

Giggled at the thought of him pulling his socks up

Well, so far cramps are getting stronger, and CD1 is not too far away. Tut.

I might give it a go, if DH pulls his socks up!

I have everything crossed for you that tomorrow is a positive day.

I had thought of doing the trial, but to be honest, I have just got a referral and I need to concentrate on that for the time being, so didn't sign up. Would have been great 6 months ago!

3catstoo - I'm 12dpo today, CD28, so CD1 is tomorrow, and all the cramps suggest that nothing spectacular will occur. The only difference this cycle, is that my breasts have not been sore, and normally (TMI ALERT!) my nipples are red raw for a few days before CD1. It's been a blessing
I just don't feel positive. At all.

Hi Ready.
Where are you in your cycle?

Have you read the thread about the clearblue trial and free opks/hpts?

I've called the number but it was on answer phone.

Hope you feel better soon.
Big hugs.

Cityangel at the consultant saying that charting is stressful and prevents pregnancy. I have never heard anything so daft. Bit concerned about my appointment now, because if they try and tell me that charting is why I haven't conceived, I may pop! I've been reading Toni Weschler's book (have you read it??) and it's very interesting.
I do agree with the thinking that sex should be something you do throughout the cycle, but that's not to say that charting cannot be used in conjunction with regular sex.
How are you anyway? I am not far behind you, 12dpo today, and all the telltale signs - CD1 tomorrow

3catstoo - totally agree, moderation is key. A little caffeine is not going to hurt.
at your DH reaching for the drawer. Sorry to hear that it's still a united decision - that must be really tough for you. I hope you can agree soon. Fingers crossed.

Thinking - You are right, so few people in the medical profession understand FAM. It's a shame, because sometimes that is all some couples need!

Well... I am down in the dumps, and contemplating going to the Hut! I know, shocking to hear from me, the Positivity Princess - but I just don't believe I will ever conceive at this rate. BIG SIGH.

Come on everybody...where are you all hiding?
It's getting a bit lonely over here .

DH stuck to his guns last night and reached for the drawer at that crucial moment . I kind of stuck to my guns too(hence no heart on my chart!)

I put him on the spot and told him that he had been very distant. The only attention I have received was a whole week ago when he was drunk. Even the weekend was a let down.

He said this baby business is putting him off.
He soon got amorous (sp?) when I told him I would be on the lookout for a toyboy .
Still didn't stop him reaching for the drawer followed by a brief argument!

I'm sure I'm going to Ov in the next few days. Last cycle it was cd20 but I feel like it's building up already.

I had better try hard to get him tipsy this weekend .

I can't believe that 11 months in and after all the tests I've had, he's doing this.

Sorry had a bit of a rant.

Hope you are all having more luck than me, wherever you are.

City, I meant to say that the Fertility women I saw first didn't want to know about my charts. I had printed them all off to show her but she was not interested.

They all seem to be like that now.

Hi City. Sorry about AF.

The programme on BBC3 did say that BDing should be every 2-3 days throughout (apart during AF I guess). The reasoning was to replenish the sperm supply.

A couple on the programme were ONLY having sex for 3 days a month around her fertile time. They thought they were saving up all of his sperm so that there were loads at the crucial time.
The doctors thought this was a very bad idea as sperm cannot live that long. Dying sperm injure other sperm and so you are left with alot of not good sperm.

The programme mentionned weight (under and over) smoking, alcohol, diet, caffeine (sp?), age, frequency of sex, oral sex (having oral sex before intercourse could still damage the sperm as saliva can kill sperm).

At the end they got the 100 couples to test.
12 out of 100 were already pregnant.

I found it interesting even if it did state the obvious in some cases.

I haven't managed to stay off the caffeine. I had a 2 day migraine which I'm putting down to withdrawl.
Like you say Ready, in moderation.
I never have any will power for these things.

Well I think DH is avoiding me. No bding since Thursday, when he was drunk .
Normally it's just at the weekend because he falls asleep as soon as his head hits the pillow. I think I've got my work cut out this cycle. Ov is predicted for cd!& although it has got later with each cycle, so I expect more like cd20.
So we've failed the every 3 days rule!!!

cityangel,

How stupid of your doctor, sounds like he knows nothing about FAM/NFP.

So we are meant to hit our 2 days of fertile days by having sex every 3 days thoughout the month ?!? When three weeks of the month are for practice only and the critical week could have very bad timing if we were unlucky

I find charting really useful and helps me relax. I charted 4 cycles before starting to TTc and was lucky enough to fall pregnant first cycle we tried, no way was the chart stressful.

In fact I found my last cycle when I wasn't charting very stressful as I had no idea where I was and I had to guess all the time, I started charting midmonth
and couldn't wait for that cycle to end which it did at day 50 !!!

Hi Everyone... I hope you're all ok.

Thanks for the message Ready... you ok?

I'm still her just fed up with it all. I don't why the hospital can't give us our results until August. I am really fed up with the whole thing now really. CD1 today

The hospital doctor rubbished the charts and brainwashed dh into believing they are stressful and prevent pg. Very annoying.

I've agreed reluctantly to give it up for the last 2 months. In return we're supposed to have nookie every 3 days.

Just had it really. I don't even expect to get pregnant any more.

I hope everyone else is doing ok.

Glad to see things are moving 3catsoo

Well 3cats I am still here
It's funny that you said that about not having too much tea. I have one cup with breakfast and if I skip it for whatever reason, I get a headache - I think that is caffeine addiction no? I don't think one cup a day will do any harm. It's all I have now. I take pregnacare - I just assume that even if I never get pregnant, the vitamins are good for my health. Sigh.

Haha - the infamous sperm pot! My DH has just had to do his. Our GP has been brilliant - and apparently the "12 month guideline" is a load of tosh - Our GP said that investigations should start once a couple are concerned about the time ttc. So have been referred. DH's appointment (though he did the deed at home) was 2 weeks ago, and they said the results should be back within 14 days. Did I say all this already? Sorry if I am repeating myself - too lazy to check!

So tell me about this programme on BBC3? I missed it - will it be repeated??

Better get on... Cityangel are you there chick????

You are right there Ready.
Not sure what's happening. Has everyone moved to a different thread that I don't know about?

How are you anyway?

Did anyone watch the 'make me a baby'programme on BBC3 last night, with Zita West in?

I ordered some Zita West pre conception vitamins yesterday afternoon and they arrived this morning. Very fast service.
I haven't been taking any vits for a while but thought I should try again. I'm trying not to drink too much tea today and drinking water instead. Not done me much good though as I now have a headache.

DH's sperm bottle and instructions came today, ready for September. Now we just have to find a safe place to keep it until the day of the appt.

Crumbs this thread is slowly fading out...

3cats - Sorry to hear about AF
Don't worry about not being able to make the cancellation they offered your DH - it won't look like you are not making effort. They will understand that people can't always just drop things for appointments. Good news that you might get a new dose for your thyroid - hope you feel the effects soon!

Hope everyone else is doing well. It is very quiet on here!