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TTC After MC 12: Hopeful Twats and Emotional Wrecks welcome!

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BertieBotts · 20/07/2017 23:09

Come one, come all, new and old, no-one wants to be here, but at least we're glad we've got each other :) Flowers

Hope your stay here is short.

Now, some BFPs if you please and BFNs for those who are waiting for them too!

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FoxtrotSkarloey · 08/08/2017 13:55

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LisaSimpsonsbff · 08/08/2017 13:46

This is most likely a confounding factor, ie a correlation rather than a causation.

I know this is what you'd assume, but I think they've done properly controlled studies - i.e. the women have the same prior number of miscarriages, conditions, etc., which seems to suggest it does have an actual (though clearly placebo) effect.

TheGrumpySquirrel · 08/08/2017 13:41

Anne, how do you manage all that DTD?! My DH complains if I insist on every day as it's too much pressure and then we have "delivery" issues... 😳

Well I'm being a properly HT today as I'm very crampy! Plus the line shadow.. I know it's probably just the indent 😩

5/6 days till I can test for definitive results .. luckily only 1.5 more days of work before holiday! I'm off Thursday too but we fly Friday morning (9dpo)

LisaSimpsonsbff · 08/08/2017 13:35

They told me at Coventry that they'll prescribe me progesterone no matter what, and I think my local hospital will prescribe aspirin. That's assuming everything comes back fine - obviously if they find anything they'll prescribe more; steroids from Coventry, anti-clotting stuff if they find that at my local hospital.

I think I was quite affected by the chat at Coventry yesterday, as he really emphasised that the important thing is to keep trying - their theory is that it's all about the womb lining, but the thing about that is that it regenerates each time, so you're never dealing with the same situation twice. Which makes lots of sense to me - but then why treat?

My big fear is that there is something wrong, but it's my eggs and no one can do anything about that.

I think all the time about this:

The funny one, that's a mystery, is they say the outcomes of pregnancies post mcs are better the more antenatal care the woman receives. How can that be? Is there an implication that had you had more care (though what, as here's nothing you can do for at least the first trimester?) the less chance you'd have lost the previous one(s)? What about people who can't access free, supportive care?

Surely the only logical conclusion to draw from this is that it does help to keep positive and keep anxiety down, and that scans and reassurance does that? And that makes me think even more that a lot of this stuff is placebo (and steroids seem to be like a nasty substance to be fucking with for the sake of a placebo). I really, really hate that thought because I'm a pessimistic person who lives by the mantra of 'prepare for the worst', and who tried to deal with each pregnancy by not getting my hopes up. DH pointed this out the other day - I get jealous of people who have never MCed because I say they get to be all happy and not worry, but, as he said, I was never like that anyway. I read all those stories of people buying 'daddy' babygros and all that with jealous incredulity - even with my first one I think I told him with the words 'I have good news, but really it's too early to be good news, but it's news'. I remember repeatedly telling him the odds of miscarriage and how we mustn't get excited - and then I started bleeding a week later. I hate all the positive thinking stuff (I think I have a bit of intellectual snobbery about it, if I'm honest) so I so don't want it to be true - but how else can you read those stats about supportive care? As you say, they can't be doing anything, so it has to all be emotional.

Anatidae · 08/08/2017 13:33

The funny one, that's a mystery, is they say the outcomes of pregnancies post mcs are better the more antenatal care the woman receives.

This is most likely a confounding factor, ie a correlation rather than a causation.

MsJuniper · 08/08/2017 13:21

Yeah Lisa I have definitely been trying to recreate what I did when I had DS, when the truth is probably that I was just a few years younger and it was a lucky egg! I had not been ovulating properly for a year and then it just happened. The not-ovulating coincided with a period of weight loss and the pregnancy happened when I'd put a few lbs back on which has not been good for subsequent weight loss from a psychological point of view, even though these days I seem to ovulate fine and just can't stay pg. In fact most of my decisions in the last year have been from a standpoint of panic which is not at all helpful bloody stupid.

AnneLovesGilbert · 08/08/2017 13:03

God I know what you mean Lisa. I have a massive bag of refilled syringes and progesterone suppositories to start using when I get another BFP. Whatever else pregnancy does to me I'm going to feel like shit as I hate progesterone and I'll be a bloody bruised pin cushion. And there's nothing wrong with me so what the hell would I be treating? He's told us the treatment plan is completely up to us and whether or not we take the drugs we'll get fortnightly scans from 6 weeks, loads of appointments and care and stuff. And if the next one does work, we won't know why. Or what it means for potential future pregnancies (Ha! I'll probably settle for the one, but he's had lots of clients he's seen through a couple and said it's always a complicated balance of what to do with the one after the one after a series of mcs).

But how would I forgive myself if I did what I've done before and lost another one.

What treatment options have you been reading about? I'd be really interested to hear. The funny one, that's a mystery, is they say the outcomes of pregnancies post mcs are better the more antenatal care the woman receives. How can that be? Is there an implication that had you had more care (though what, as here's nothing you can do for at least the first trimester?) the less chance you'd have lost the previous one(s)? What about people who can't access free, supportive care?

LisaSimpsonsbff · 08/08/2017 12:38

msjuniper I think a lot of the time people assume that whatever they did before their bfp 'worked', but actually it was random chance. I've been thinking about this a lot with recurrent miscarriage treatment, too - the odds are so good for a successful next pregnancy with no treatment that I wonder a lot whether the logical thing is to do nothing, and whether a lot of people's 'miracle cures' are pure coincidence. But then I have to live with that decision if I lose again.

AnneLovesGilbert · 08/08/2017 12:19

NoCats hugs Flowers So sorry. Feels like each BFN cycle is such a waste of time, it's gutting x

Thanks Juniper. I've grown quite dependent on it and very quickly!

Ana I've read you need 3 hours of steady sleep beforehand, so like Lisa says, if that means taking it between two sleeps but after a longer one, then that makes sense. I have nights when I wake up, though I don't usually get up, but haven't found it's made much difference.

MsJuniper · 08/08/2017 12:00

Ah I'm sorry NoCats. That is frustrating about the timing of next cycle too.

Anne that looks pretty definitive on the temping front. I used to temp but I got stressed about waking in the night and I couldn't see a pattern but I probably should have stuck with it.

Lisa I know what you mean about preseed, I think with that and fertility vitamins a lot of the amazon comments are "it worked for us" when actually it is not a magical fertility booster, just something which won't harm your chances (or in the case of the vits will look after some of your nutritional needs). But if you are worried about dryness it is supposed to mimic the natural state which is hopefully helpful.

NoCatsHere · 08/08/2017 11:44

ok i'm definitely out this month. Just did a FRER and it was a BFN. Feeling so very sad right now...what a pile of shit this ttc lark is. Fully expect af in a 2/3 days. Just realised as well that my next fertile window is exactly when we are away camping with friends and kids so absolutely zero chance of any helpful dtd time. Will just have to try before we go and hope for the best. These months seem to drag and rush past in equal measures. Sorry for the massive downer everyone.

Ekphrasis · 08/08/2017 11:32

I conceived ds with conceive plus. I've not needed to use it since taking eve primrose up to ov - that really worked for me. Might try it next cycle though.

MsJuniper · 08/08/2017 11:29

I can see the shadow Grumpy. But I think it's definitely a case of wait 2 days and try again!

LisaSimpsonsbff · 08/08/2017 11:28

Anat they say to do it after your 'longest sleep', so if you, say, sleep from 11pm-4am, and then wake up again at 5am before finally getting up at 7am it would ideally be better to temp at 4am than at 7am - but I know that might not be convenient! I reckon (I'm no expert, but have been temping for a while now) pick a method - either after your longest sleep or at a set time every day - and then stick to it. You'll probably get more ups and downs in your chart than someone with a 'normal' sleeping pattern, but I'm sure it won't affect it so much that you can't see the ovulation pattern at all.

Anatidae · 08/08/2017 11:12

Question about temp charting:

I sleep terribly so I'm usually up (for a wee or a wander) several times a night. I've read you're supposed to take temp after several hours in bed before you get up. Would me getting up a lot disrupt it? I've never bothered temping before...

LisaSimpsonsbff · 08/08/2017 11:02

I've tried preseed, but looking carefully at the packet I think a lot of people have misunderstood what it actually claims. The company's claim is that it is the only lubricant that doesn't harm sperm - not that it is actively helping them. So if you'd usually use a lube (including saliva!) then switching to preseed is a good idea, but the company itself don't actually claim that it's better than using nothing.

AnneLovesGilbert · 08/08/2017 10:46

Oh, and on lube, we definitely conceived one cycle using conceive+, which I accidentally got thinking it was the much lauded preseed. But conceived twice without it and used it loads and then not conceived, so not sure it's done anything much.

Taking charge of your fertility includes a pretty mindboggling story about a couple who used actual egg white for DTD. The first time they tried it they used an egg from the fridge and it was so cold she burst out laughing and it shot straight back out of her. Apparently a room temperature egg is better! Grin

(like all her stories in the book, it obviously worked first time, they now have an 18 year old....)

AnneLovesGilbert · 08/08/2017 10:40

Hey swim, good luck with the house! Nice to see you, but agree it would be nice to be able to chat elsewhere.

Thanks NoCats, yep, got a dotted crosshairs this morning for last Thursday, CD13 and when I was sure it had happened and a massive rise, phew!

Thanks for listening to me rant insanely. Doesn't take much for me to decide my body is faulty and it's all gone terribly wrong and I'm not cut out for making babies! But feeling more level today, if crampy as hell! Was so bloated last night and really low painful period type cramping. Was 4DPO so can't be anything.

Sorry you're feeling low, nothing like the bright blankness of a BFN, just shit.

Really sorry I can't see anything either grumpy, but it's super early. Excited for your holiday? Sounds like you'll have a really good long break and I'm sure you said you'd hit FW towards the end if this isn't the cycle.

How are you today Juniper?

em, hope you're cosily at home with a cuppa and have a few more days to rest.

Glad to hear all good Bertie, have a lovely week Smile

I use a moon cup for af and usually have to squat down to get it in. Can only imagine squatting down immediately post DTD would result in most of it ending up on the bathroom floor before I got the cup in to contain it. I agree that the good ones are going to make it and you don't want the lazy ones anyway! But nothing wrong with trying new things.

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BertieBotts · 08/08/2017 09:48

Hi swimchick. Nice to see you back but sorry you're still here too!

Maybe you can look into the IVF after the house.

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MsJuniper · 08/08/2017 09:47

Re. ISWTE, I have to say I took the first chapter with a fair pinch of salt. I mean, I did consider buying lots of glass jars for my pasta but that was partly to indulge my fantasy of being Nigella. I just used it for the supplements section and the diet, as we eat mainly vegan food (plus some fish) so I wanted to be sure I was getting all my nutrients.

I have to admit we always do the cushion under bum routine after sex and I wait for 10-20 mins before going to the loo. But I agree that either it goes in or it doesn't!

NoCatsHere · 08/08/2017 09:19

Hello everyone.
anne hope your charts are playing all this morning.
grumpy i'm afraid i can't see anything, i really wish i could. I've just the same thing on my test this morning. it was only an ic and I'm on cd25 when my cycles are normally 28-30 days long. of course i don't believe it now, and am saving up my pee to waste on a more expensive test. Although i fully expect it to be negative as well. the cheap was glowing white... If that is neg I'm ordering more tablets and ISWTE book as well. I feel very disappointed this month, more so than the last two as i had the excuse that my body wasn't ready after the mc, or maybe i hadn't ov. This month though its just bad crappy luck.

swimchick1980 · 08/08/2017 08:53

Hi everyone, Hope you're all doing ok. I've been quiet for a bit on all forms of communication as was becoming a bit obsessed with it all! Much as it's lovely to see familiar names here, i would much rather be chatting with you all on another forum. Nothing much had changed with me, still a HP though. Due date would have been this weekend and I'm dreading it. I'm going away with friends but i just wish i could curl up into a ball and cry, but will go and put on the "game face". We had agreed we would try IVF if nothing had happened by September but we're in the process of buying a new house so I'm scared DH is going to say no, i can't bear to bring it up in case he does.

I haven't read all of the posts but Lime, congratulations and i hope the next 8 months are plain sailing. em, I'm so sorry, what a rough ride you've had. Flowers (my emoj thingy isn't working!) to everyone else, old and new.

BertieBotts · 08/08/2017 08:29

Grumpy I see what you mean but be careful you're not seeing the dip where the dye would be pulled into if it was positive. If it's a cheapy test I found that happened quite a bit.

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BertieBotts · 08/08/2017 08:28

I have a mooncup so I thought I'd try it once, though I don't think it really works, I think any sperm which is propelled through the cervix initially gets through and anything else is going to fall out regardless. Same point for lying with pelvis elevated BTW. I assume it's different if you have a process of manual insemination as there's no "ejaculation"? Or perhaps they just do it to make you feel better! It can feel a bit alarming when a load of sperm comes out at once but I really do think that's just the excess.

The mooncup technique was smelly and not very pleasant so I never repeated it.

The free course on Fertility Friend's app is really great. But yeah basically just buy a digital thermometer, try to take your temperature as soon as you wake up, input into fertility friend (I don't know if Glow is any good or not. I know Ovia is rubbish.) and let it do its thing. If you go onto fertility friend's desktop site there's a way to input data from previous cycles if you wish.

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TheGrumpySquirrel · 08/08/2017 07:32

6dpo today, possibly 7, and getting antsy. I POAS which was dumb, but the second week of the TWW is just awful for me. I'm already convinced I'm out so the tiny bit of hope is annoying me. Also convinced I can see a shadow on this test which isn't helping! On the plus side, 2 days till I am off work for 19 days 😁

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