Immune/NK issues - aka Pred Thread no.20!

Ok, so you could be well advanced from cycle day 1. Hard to say. Do you use OPKs?

Pregnancy tests have all been negative, since 26th, they did think it would be passed with AF as it was sat at the top of cervix.
I am off home to curl up in my bed. I am just relieved that it is all over, time to start getting a few answers.

Well done Hun, be safe and cosy and feel better, finally ❤️❤️

Sheepy, good for you for feeling better despite everything. I don't think you can count on it being a particular cycle day given the circumstances; presumably you may have to wait a few weeks to ovulate? Its hard to say but I think the body thinks it is pregnant when materials are retained beyond the MC. Have you had a negative pregnancy test yet? I ovulated about 4 weeks after the last products passed, which was 3 weeks after I got my negative test result.

Look after yourself and eat well. I guess you know the drill xx

Am done, back on ward just had 2 cups of coffee and I am feeling pretty good. Would today be CD #1 or cd #17? I have also been given some amazing follow up treatment as well. The surgeon who did the erpc is very much pro treatment for RMC and I will be leaving with an appointment for the Willow Centre and a letter giving me direct access to Heparin from the Moment I find out I am pregnant. I now want my own bed and a cuddle from DD

Seeking, I understand why you're concerned- there is so much to worry about in these early stages but so many 'worrying' stories turn out perfectly well. The trust in your own body is something I, and I'm guessing many of us have concerns with. There's a definite logic to your thinking but it doesn't for a second mean things are doomed. Only 6 (long) days til your scan I think? Then hopefully you'll have a solid positive result and can feel less limbo-ish. You've had one little miracle so you know you can do it ⭐️

How are you getting along Harriet? Managing to stay sane? And are you feeling any new symptoms or side effects?

Xx

Thinking of you Sheepy x

Good luck sheepy

On my way to hospital pessary inserted at 5:50 am tired I did not sleep very well at all, I am feeling relieved that it is almost over. I am not doing so good without coffee

Definitely agree with Drttc re movement. By 22-24 weeks your baby will have a recognisable pattern of movement that is individual for you and it. If at any point that changes you call triage and they get you in. I went in once for reduced movement and as soon as they strapped me up she started moving loads! They are really hot on it.

I think with Tallulah I had a gut instinct that it was going to work out. I'd been on 6 months of DHEA and COQ10 & ovulated at day 14, so felt confident I had a decent egg, just needed the meds to do their thing. This time I ov'd on day 21 ( so paranoid the egg would have started to degrade by then) and had only been taking DHEA for about a month. I trust the drugs I'm on to work, I don't trust that my body has supplied a a decent egg and I feel like that'll be why I miscarry again. I'm so sure next week will be bad news, I feel like I'm awaiting the inevitable. Obviously I hope and pray that I'm wrong... even writing that feels weird. Like I'm getting my hopes up.

Sheepy, I'm sorry you've been so let down by the NHS. My friend had retained products after her first baby was born and after her miscarriage. Ended up back in surgery for both! Horrendous! She suffered pain for ages. I really hope they get you sorted quickly and you can start to let your body heal. Sending a big hug your way.

(Doh, Doppler para was for just 🙄😝)

Also Tee, get in my son 🤣😝😜😏😏😏 👉

Evening All,

Sheepy, enjoy a long soak in the bath and drafting a complaints letter in your mind. Did you decide yet how to proceed? I had an ERPC, couldn't wait to get it over with after 9 weeks of thinking and 1 week of knowing the baby was gone. But I felt sick when I realised the baby had been shipped off for testing - I had suspected molar pregnancy... urg it's all so hideous - I feel for you Hun I really do 😢😢😢

Poppy what you said about the Chinese perspective on MC was sweet, and so true... why are we expected to just get on with it?? I went to work the day I started miscarrying my 2nd... stupid

Seeking, self preservation is the only way to get through this at the moment... you'll plug in and connect when the time is right... I think my 2nd MC hit me hardest as I was sooooo sure it would be ok (the Stats, the bloody effing Stats said so) that I told loads of friends I was pregnant and as I was due Boxing Day started planning Xmas. Idiot. Was in pieces when it ended. So I suspect I'll be just like you - until I feel safe, which you hopefully will be closer to feeling in 6 days ❤️

Drttc you are doing so well!! Hardcore mutha! Hang in there girl 🙏

And I was like you Tee, ready to start boshing my Pred, like on day 3 of AF 😂😂 - Amazing the girls put us right!! I too will wait until flashy ovulation face before I chug the roid down!!

I never used a Doppler tee, but I did frantically count the kicks - my DS was a lazy little monkey and I was sure he barely moved, and had no routine! So towards the end of my pregnancy I was on the Ward every day checking his heartbeat... They induced me at 39 weeks (to get me the hell out of their hair I suspect)... I had a horrifically painful Labour due to all that intervention and wished I'd chilled out more (although I'd prob do the same again lol)

My period pains have been delivered from Satan himself... hot water bottle and a wooden spoon between my teeth for me tonight 😘

I know Tee, I've never been so irrational in my life! But I 'rationalise' it by thinking, I have every right to be bonkers right now (as do we all) and I'm hoping I regain sense when I have complete success, which I hope I'm on my way to.
You're all over the TTC situation! Get them fancy under crackers out 😂

Drttc, oh that's interesting! So I'll obsess over that instead hehe, did you have many scares with that technique or is the kicking quite continuous?

Xx

Justla- One thing I learned in the third trimester is that the Doppler no longer because the best indicator of the baby's health. Have you heard of 'Count the kicks'? Basically you'll be checking regularly that your baby does a certain amount of movements. This is a much better reassurance than heart beat because a reduction in movement happens before the baby's heart would stop as they would be trying to conserve their energy. So you'll be counting the kicks instead!

Tee4me- hahaha sounds like you're DTD schedule is very thorough ;-)

God isn't it awful that we end up feeling stressed about the stress?! Anxious about the anxiety! I'd never suffered with any psychological issues in the past and always considered myself rational, reasonable and balanced, but this whole TTC malarkey has turned me into a nervous wreck! Just treated myself to an hours massage so feeling chilled... for the moment!

Thanks so much ladies. I was all tee'd up for taking my first dose in the morning, but I'll hold out until Saturday now. Makes sense to take it after ovulation... the body doesn't need to 'accept' a potential pregnancy until closer to implantation I guess? And that's exactly what I was worried about, if I took it before my body managed to pop the egg, and then it would stall it?! Feel so lucky to have you girls to bounce these things off 😘
Yes I'll be on 25mg. Have already DTD CD7,8 & 10. Will jump DH tonight, tomorrow & Saturday too! Irresistible 'you-better-not-bloody-turn-me-down' pants at the ready!! 👙

It's so true Poppy, the feeling of control is a total luxury in our situations and the want to obsess is very real! I'll try to stick to my over regular scans and just chill the heck out (not gonna happen btw haha)

xxx

JustLa, I think the thing is, we want all the info we can get to give us more control in a situation we have such limited control over. We want to know right away to prepare for the worst, or to rule out concerns. It becomes a compulsion and we start to torture ourselves with it. But the question is, how much information are we actually getting from our informal checking, testing and monitoring? Is it accurate? And is it reassuring us for more than 57 seconds at a time? And is it worth the extra stress? Not that I blame anyone for doing it, I am sure I'm one of the worst and if I was still in my 2ww I'd probably be convincing myself it was helping xx

Tee, I agree with the others. Another thing to consider is I believe they limit our higher doses to 10 days per cycle (unless it's a BFP of course) as any more and they recommend tapering off to avoid withdrawals. Have you got your fancy pants ready for some action? Good luck with trying over the next few days 🍾

Thanks so much for the advice earlier Poppy, Seeking and Drttc, I value the opinions of the ladies in here so much, we all have this understanding of how our past experiences can effect us now. I'll leave the Doppler (may revisit in last trimester as my sticky blood can still effect baby until birth- 😬)

Seeking funny I actually apologised to my midwife that she had been lumbered with the high risker lol.
It seems the disconnected feeling could be self protection? Do you think this could be apply to you? Every time I start feeling connected I get pretty frightened and go through all the risks in my head again.
Do you remember a stage when you started feeling quite comfortable in your pregnancy with DC?

Xx

Sheepy, you totally have grounds for a complaints if you feel up to it. Totally unacceptable. We may not be medical experts but we know our bodies and we know when something isn't right. Especially women who have been through so this so many times. You deserve to be listened to.

Tee4me, having read what DrTTC and Harriet said, I think I actually agree with them. Pred disrupted my cycle for about 6-8 weeks so if you can get pregnant this cycle you can avoid the interruption!

Sheepy I hope you can have a restful evening after such a disappointing day :-(

Tee4me, I found it better when I took Pred after ovulation- that way I was sure it couldn't affect it happening. However, pred really messed with my cycle when I tried taking it before ovulation prior to that. I've always had a cycle that you could set your clock by, and even after DS it went straight back to how it was before. So it was very obvious to me when my cycle suddenly altered.