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Immune/NK issues - aka Pred Thread no.20!

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harrietm87 · 18/07/2017 11:42

Hi all, thought I'd get the ball rolling on the new thread.

Welcome all with immune/natural killer cell issues.

It's been a while since a new thread so thought it might be helpful if we all added our stats:

I'm harriet, age 30, TTC#1.
3 mcs (2 at 5 weeks, 1 mmc at 9 weeks).
Hypothyroid and high NK cells.
Cycle 2 on pred!

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harrietm87 · 17/08/2017 15:56

It's funny isn't it poppy how you get
so used to the discomfort! I had an ovarian cyst when I was 18 and was so terrified at the prospect of the internal scan that my mum flew over from Ireland to be with me for it! (I was at uni at the time). Now I'm literally whipping my knickers off as soon as I see the wand! Agree with the others - stepchildren sound lovely. 4 between 8 and 11 - must have been mayhem when they were young! Is it 1 a year or are there twins?

tee how's the pred going? Do you feel any different?

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Sheepy1980 · 17/08/2017 15:36

Well my appointment with Professor Quenby is the 15th September Grin now to try and get a shift swap with someone for that Friday.
I am trying to sort through the Ikea drawers in the living room as I am getting more organised.. just need to find proper homes for things

PoppyJ1 · 17/08/2017 09:46

Thanks all for the sweet comments about my step kids! 😍

I think we have mounting evidence that scan machines differ. It's important to hear that in mind and not assume bad news if the scan doesn't show much or if dates don't match. For most scans I've had it's been abdominal in the first instance (even at less than six weeks) changing to internal if necessary. I see it as a chance to avoid the discomfort if possible!

harrietm87 · 17/08/2017 08:51

drttc for my scan at the epu on Monday they started with tummy and could see just the sac and nothing else. I hadn't bothered to keep my bladder full as knew they'd have to do the internal one anyway. It's good they're able to do an internal scan - maybe you could just insist they start with it?

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Drttc · 17/08/2017 08:31

Seeking I've asked and they said they'll do internal if they think it's necessary. Wish they'd just bloody start with it. Oh well. I'll likely have a meltdown if they don't so hopefully they'd rather have a happy customer :-D

Seekingmiracles · 16/08/2017 21:42

Didn't mean to write 6 weeks, but i think you twigged into that. Meant to write 10 weeks!
I dont think I'd want a tummy scan that early, unless they can offer internal if nothing is seen. The EPU where I used to live always tried tummy first but never saw anything, I'd then have to go wee before they'd do it internally. Always something to worry about!

Drttc · 16/08/2017 16:27

Seeking I only found out it was a tummy scan after booking it and was pretty shocked. It worries me and I'm wondering if I should just cancel and try going to the other place again (more expensive). Argh there's always something isn't there!!!

Poppy I agree that your step children sound so lovely!

Seekingmiracles · 16/08/2017 15:53

I actually preferred her to Mr S just. She was there for ages! Baby was wiggling away! She genuinely seemed as amazed by it as me, despite the fact she sees it everyday, which I thought was endearing.

Are they likely to see much via tummy this early on drttc. Most places don't do it via tummy until 6 weeks. Not sure if want to risk the worry myself. But I do hope you see baby and can get a date.

Poppy, your step kids sounds lovely. How sweet that they're excited for their family to grow. A lot of kids would feel grossed out at the idea! Lol!

LunaB · 16/08/2017 15:13

Their nanny's horse!!?? Jeeeez. No female is safe from this shit! 😝😱

Drttc · 16/08/2017 15:11

Seeking Fantastic news!!! You're well on your way to the second tri now!

Luna have fun hehe!!

Harriet I don't actually have a date as their machine couldn't measure the pregnancy as it was so small. At the time I was 5 weeks +4 by LMP, and the machine started measuring at 5+5. The woman said by eyeball she'd have guessed 5+2, but that's not a very scientific way of measuring pregnancy I'd say ;-). By LMP I'm 6 weeks + 1 today. I'm booked for a scan at a different place on Saturday and am quite nervous as to what will be seen. Also they do it via tummy ultrasound rather than vaginal so going to be very different.

It does bother me when people put such importance on gender as if a human life is just for their enjoyment. They have no idea how idiotic they sound to people like us.

PoppyJ1 · 16/08/2017 14:10

Yes JustLa, the girls really keep my spirits up through all the TTC stuff. They're very keen for me to have a baby and often ask whether it's in the cards! We haven't told them about my miscarriages because they were so early but DP and I have discussed that it won't be a secret in the future if they want to know things, just not appropriate for now. They're aged 8-11 and very aware of baby loss because their teacher had a miscarriage, a family friend had one and their nanny's horse had one. It's quite a big subject for them, actually. Very comforting to know they're aware and sympathetic.

JustLa · 16/08/2017 13:55

Yessss boink fest for you soon Luna, shave those ankles and iron your bloomers!! 🥂 Xx

JustLa · 16/08/2017 13:54

Awww it's lovely to hear all your views!

Harriet, I like that you want to keep it as a surprise, that's something traditional about a pregnancy that you want to preserve and these are the things that are a little lost to us. Like the dungarees and painting of the nursery ⭐️

Poppy, you're with me on this one... yay! I feel like it will help hubby bond with bump as i have been so reluctant to let him touch it in the last couple of pregnancies as ... unfortunately I have that guilty feeling that I'm letting him down (unjustly I know)
How cute of your DP's daughter, that innocence brings back a bit of excitement again 😊

Seeking that's so fab!!!! I had her yesterday- did you get the feeling she had seen how much we paid and was like 'shit, they could get this from me free at the NHS, I better put some extra work in!! ' lol she scanned me for so long I ended up worry about my gummy bear getting over stressed, baby was throwing out shapes and ninja moves lol. So glad you're measuring up well! Woot woot, another step along the road x

Xxx

LunaB · 16/08/2017 12:36

FW, got it! Although I do prefer BF - boink fest...?

I've heard the same re girl and boy sperm... I also read that boy babies more commonly die in infancy (cot death etc.) which is why their sperm lives longer I guess; to help more boys be born. Everyone I know has boys!! I'd be happy with either!

Amazing Seeking! Woooohoooo! Little darling bean getting all grown up!

Lovely your little one will have so many wonderful siblings Poppy; blended families are lush!

PoppyJ1 · 16/08/2017 11:52

Harriet, that's really insensitive! Some people are weird like that, they almost like to rub it in.

My DP has 4 kids! I'm very lucky that they are all amazing and we get on pretty well with their mum and her new partner.

harrietm87 · 16/08/2017 11:31

Yay seeking that's great news! That is interesting about your friend's success with shettles. I despair of people who are "disappointed" with healthy babies though. Had the same thing with a friend who is 2 weeks behind what I would have been with my last mc. She found out she was having a second boy at 10 weeks after the harmony test and complained to me how terrible it all was, when I'd lost my baby a few weeks earlier. Argh.

That's so cute with your DP's daughter poppy - how many dcs does he have? Sounds like you have a great relationship.

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PoppyJ1 · 16/08/2017 11:14

Congrats Seeking! Great confirmation of yesterday's good news, sounds like the different scan machines agree better now!

Yes I hear you on how frustrating it is when people moan about gender, especially given that everyone has a headline 50/50 chance so it should heatedly be a surprise.

Interesting to hear the 75% success rate your friend had on Shettles. I have heard, though, that for people for whom he priority is simply to get pregnant, there is a risk that trying to sway for a girl risks not getting pregnant at all. For example, prob not worth the risk for people with fertility issues, particularly on the sperm side.

Seekingmiracles · 16/08/2017 11:03

My friend actively used the shettles method to have girls...worked 3 out 4 times.... and then she was pissed off that number 4 was a boy! That really wound me up... 4 healthy babies!!!

Just had my appointment with MrS' stand in.... she was SOOOO thorough!! Baby measuring 9+1 by her scan so I'm going with that!!

PoppyJ1 · 16/08/2017 10:42

JustLa, I would absolutely be doing the same! I don't know how people hold out knowing the info is so readily available! Grin

A few weeks ago when I was feeling miserable about the whole TTC, DP's eldest daughter (11 yr) cheered me up by piping up with "if you and Dad have a baby will you find out the sex or wait for a surprise?" I said I would absolutely find out immediately and she thoroughly approved of my answer! This was in response to them having to wait until their cousin's birth to find out its sex.

I know that two thirds of babies born to women with my endocrine condition are girls. No one knows why. I wonder if my MCs were with boys.

harrietm87 · 16/08/2017 10:16

Ah just that is so exciting! I don't think I will find out if I get that far, but I'm convinced it's a boy anyway.

Those of you with little ones already - did you find out or wait for a surprise?

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JustLa · 16/08/2017 09:50

Interesting theory Poppy! I heard something about boys being more likely to be lost too, seems odd and I didn't look too much more in to it.
Had blood taken for Harmony test yesterday and ticked a box to let me know the sex of my little wriggler... eeeek, I could know in the next couple of weeks! I don't feel like I need to wait for the birth to reveal the surprise (although my and DH are keeping it between ourselves) but just having a baby will be surprise enough for us! Lol xxx

JustLa · 16/08/2017 09:46

And Luna, you're in my notes to start TTC on 23rd 😂😂

PoppyJ1 · 16/08/2017 09:45

Harriet that's so interesting. I have heard of Shettles method and heard it's about 65% effective.

Good question about the OPKs. I suppose it will cement the trend for sex on a particular day, theroretically swaying pregnancies in favour of boys. However, we also know that O day and the day before are the most likely days to get pregnancy anyway so most pregnancies are conceived at such times and a roughly equal gender balance in still achieved. Could OPKs sway it further though? Perhaps it could even go some way to offsetting the fact that there seem to be more conditions that cause women to miscarry boy fetuses than the other way around? If so, perhaps we could see an increase in the male population...

JustLa · 16/08/2017 09:25

Yes Luna, I keep wondering how Stuck is getting along?
Would love an update if you're still dropping by Stuck xx

harrietm87 · 16/08/2017 08:50

luna FW = fertile window, aka getting jiggy time!

That's so good you know exactly when you ovulate. Good luck this weekend! So you'll start the pred next week?

Have you heard of the shettles method? The idea is that boy sperm swim faster but girl sperm live longer, so the closer to ovulation you have sex the more likely it is to be a boy. Only anecdotal obviously but of the last 15 babies born to my friends/work colleagues only 2 have been girls which I think supports the theory as everyone was trying! I wonder whether the invention of opks means there will be a lot more boys born?

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