The October Bus - hoping for lots of BFPs and Summer babies!!

Good to know thanks for the clarification mumrahhh**

Noooo I've had pink bleeding. It's four days early and my temp was high this morning but could have dropped I guess. Doesn't seem to be very heavy though and I've had no stomach cramps like normal, maybe it's that damn tea.

I'll know in the morning for sure :(

until should be under, damp autocorrect!

Mouse love, there is special 'conception lube' that is OK, I clearly read too many things! X

Right get ready for the science lessons

I've just read a really long article about vitamin a. There are 2 sources - preformed which come from animal sources (this is the sort in standard multivits and liver etc) and provitamin, which is plant based (shows as beta carotene on pregnancy vits). The second are the safe ones, the first are dangerous in high doses (although if you can be bothered to read it all, it suggests dangerous is only just over the rda). There is a section called health implications and that talks about pregnancy.

Here's the link, if you want something to help you sleep

ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/VitaminA-HealthProfessional

As I said before I think normal vits are fine until conception, just once you know you are pg, swop to a pg vitamin.

I think sweet potato comes until the safe one! X

Mrs I read you shouldn't use lube when TTC as it acts as a barrier?? Maybe something to google ask your GP about?

Also sounds promising mumrahhh Fx!

I use seven seas conception vitamins and they've been fine with me so far :) been taking them about three months or so

Mum I don't eat pate my vitamin A is mostly from veg eg sweet potatoes is that ok?

I don't have a Superdrug near me. Might see if Tesco have their own. I can pick them up when I do my shopping then.

Purple I read a different thread where a woman said EPO dried up her CM. Everyone's different though and she's probably a rare case. We use Prepared as we have to use lube every time.

Mumrahhh perfectly plausible. With #1 we DTD on the Wednesday and I woke up with horrendously sore boobs and nipples on the Friday. Thought AF was coming early. Had an implant bleed on the following Wednesday so my boobs hurt before the egg had even implanted.

Mrs, I use the Superdrug preg vits, no problems to report! I take one first thing in the morning, don't know if that means anything! Tried evening primrose oil for more watery cm but I didn't notice a difference

tinkerbell when you conceive you shouldn't have things like liver or pate that contain high levels of retinol (I think its non soluable ao stays in your system and pass it onto baby, but not sure of full details) but once you conceive, speak to your gp/nurse about your diet if you're worried about the vitamin a. You get the good vitamin a (soluable) from carrots, so I think some vits contain beta carotene.

Mrs positive I've tried the 7 seas conception tablets (only about £3.59 on amazon) and just started on something called pregnazone (or something like that!)

but they are expensive but contain the omega 3, so thought I'd give them a go.

On the symptom spotting front, my boobs are killing me and I swear they have grown, but I'm only dpo6, so must be in my head! My temp was still risen today, in fact it got higher, so staying hopeful checking my knickers for slime and maybe spots??? Ovia says to test in 6 days but I didn't ovulate until cd17, so not sure if it will be too soon, only one way to check I guess

Thanks everyone for your comments. I am feeling a bit better and reassured too. I already have a nearly 2 year old son so know I can conceive but my body and cycle has changed since having him so I am learning all over again!

Let's fill this bus with positive thoughts eh?!

OMG. So I was just about to ask... I've taken some paracetamol. Belly ache has gone (I know, how stupid I haven't taken any before now) but I've been left with a bubbly feeling in my lower tummy. Like someone is popping bubbles. Feels like trapped wind, probably is... but I'm sure my body is seriously finding things to wind me up with.

I'm the same as Napping, feels like trapped wind. I didn't recognise it before TTC because it was so similar but always get it a day after my positive OPK.

Tinkerbell my ovulation pain feels like very localised trapped wind and lasts for a couple of hours. Uncomfortable but not properly painful. It seems to vary quite a lot from person to person.

Tinkerbell the only reason it needs to be organic is because the process used to decaffeinate coffee uses chemicals. I bought Douwe Egbert's decaf and it gave me headaches. I went on their website and they use chemicals. The organic coffee's use water to decaffeinate. I only learnt this a couple of weeks ago.

I think I'll try a different preconception vitamin then. I know Pregnancare have Vitamins that others don't but I can't feel like this much longer. I want my body back. Can anyone recommend a different brand?

Good luck for tomorrow napping!

Sk1pper it sounds like a visit to Holland and Barretts is on the cards for me then :P ive always found the staff there helpful too :)

Just had a sharp twingey pain on lower right hand side of my belly... Hard to tell whether I'm just being a nutter or if that was ov pain how long does it usually last? This was only for a couple of minutes... I really am a bit clueless about most of this stuff lol feel like I've learned loads in the last couple of months but still a way to go

** I've never read much around the vitamins so didn't know about vitamin A but am taking vitamins branded for conceiving anyway because I wasn't sure - I use myfitnesspal though and my vitamin A intake just from diet is usually waaaayyy over the RDA ... Is it worth trying to reduce it?

I've been trying to reduce caffeine a bit the last couple of months as I was having too much by miles before whereas now I still almost always have black coffee first thing in the morning and before the gym but I've switched to decaf for the rest of the day and some of them are actually not terrible haha, didn't know it should be organic though so will have a browse!

Sk1pper I was some what of a green tea addict. I could easily drink 8 cups a day, so had to cut down.

Purple I can't remember exactly what was wrong with peas but I povr them, so as with green tea cut down on them.

I think it's amazing how women use Vitamins and food at different times of the month. Was reading up on pineapple earlier, so shall be eating a couple on the weekend.

Oh Sk1pper I didn't realise about coffee.... it's a good job I have you ladies to tell me these things!!!! (I had more than a cup today whoops)

Also, if you like fruit teas - the raspberry leaf tea I got today was delicious. So I can totally vouch for it, 50 bags for about £3.49 in Holland and Barrett - I promise I don't work there I just buy everything there and the staff are really helpful.

MrsPositive - The green tea thing is a little bit of a myth, it doesn't decrease your fertility per se, it just decreases your body's ability to absorb folic acid. You can drink it but make sure its like 3-4 hours after or before you take your prenatal vitamins. Also, it has caffeine in it. Some people completely strip caffeine from their diet while trying to conceive. I haven't because I enjoy it but you just need to make sure to have no more than 200mg a day which is one cup of coffee or three cups of tea (depending on how long you let it stew).

There is the option to get decaff of course, but make sure you get organic decaff - they can't guarantee its 100% caffeine free but it will be much, much better for you . I wont go into the details, but to make non-organic tea decaff, they basically bleach the leaves with chemicals.

Thanks all, glad it's not entirely in my head! Will do an FRER in the morning. Spotting is less heavy this evening than it was earlier but it may just be my body playing tricks on me. God I hate the uncertainty!

Mrs, I know what you mean! I only know what I know from all my hours of stalking other MN threads! (Avoiding peas?!)