GP adamant that luteal phase always 14 days, every cycle for every woman !!!!!!

I can't see a long luteal phase being a problem- it's only a problem if short because then it can be a sign of low progesterone...

Does anyone know if this can also be 'too' long? Mine appears to be 16 days, can it be, and if so, is that a problem??! Thanks.

Hi HelenL - and all
I thought I would be cheeky and test my new consultant today on the Lutual phase stuff - and actually she was pretty good - she was okay with my self diagnosis and agreed that ladies do have probs TTC due to this issue due to implantation

She recommended I continued the B6 but to come off the asprin prior to IVF due to possible bleeding (if they slip with an implement ) as asprin slows the clotting. But again pretty well read re. how it can help with implantation but she would only prescribe to ladies experiencing a type of miscarriage (didnt quite get what type).

So at least this one was aware and prescribes prostogen to prolong the Luteal phase during IVF cycles....hope this gives hope that there are a few good ones out there!

colditz- I am pretty sure (not doctor but went through a lot of this when diagnosed with PCOS) that you can ovulate at any time. If you ovulate before the spontaneous shedding takes place, you can get pg. When I was having 'anovulatory' cycles I was testing myself for temp changes etc which show you've ovulated, and never had any. I would have a huge bleed at weird, random times but always longer than my former 30-32 day cycle had been.
When I conceived DS1 I was still having really long cycles but could just tell I'd ovulated (due to vile PMS)- he was conceived on day 21 so not far off your o date...

Rubbish absolute rubbish!!

I am shocked at how people get thru medical school spouting such nonsense... and not being willing to engage with a chart......

You defo need a different dr... and if you have no Luck I would consider taking it higher up TBH. Gp's really do need to educate themselves... so many women can be helped with very low key treatments (b6 etc etc) without needing to ttc for 2 years to get refered!!!

and i have a 12 day LP- Always have!! Mine has NEVER been 14 days!! lol

Just done some searching on the net and now I'm v confused. Ah well, will wait and see what the Doc says next week about our situation.

Apologies for hijacking the thread

Must admit I'm comfused because I thought ov = AF... but your explanation, charlieq, makes sense too. Hmmm

Well how did I concieve ds2 24 days after my last period ended then? I know that was when, it was the first time we had had sex for 3 months!

Thanks for that. Then another question - would your periods generally be regular or irregular?

I had an ectopic Oct05 and since then we have been ttc for 12 months now - we're going to the Doc next week . I don't chart or temp or poas but watch my cm and listen to my body. I feel myself gearing up for ovulation but I guess it's not a given, is it? Just thinking thoughts out loud...

Hi,
you could have a period without ovulating because your womb lining would keep building up and would eventually get too heavy and shed. This is what tends to happen to women with polycystic ovaries where the eggs rarely get released.
I can't believe how thick and useless some (most?) GPs are. Once I went to one complaining of ovarian pain from cysts (already diagnosed) and the crass idiot told me that I was 'too young to have my ovaries removed' and tried to prescribe me a 'very good' painkiller. Urrgh.

OK, thick me now talking.

How can you have a period without ovulating? Just would like to understand as biology lessons most definitely did not cover anything about the technicalities of ttc and how our bodies work

I have just writen a letter to my consultant about my luteal phase as this month it was 6! and on average it is 8! his registrar 'po pooed' it so I am going to the top. I have been charting for 3 years and I am 150% certain of my ovulation days! I am also asking him about agnus castus....watch this space!

God! it is so infuriating!!!!!!!!!

I do have a 14 day LP in a 26 day cycle and my friend has a 10 day LP in a 32 day cycle. To think that all women are the same is just utter tosh.

I am unbelievably cross with your GP. With such a short luteal phase it is impossible to conceive. What was she going to do, wait a few months during which you undoubtedly won't conceive and then refer you for unnecessary tests? I don't know what stinks more- the medical attitude that every woman has a 28 day cycle and ovulates on day 14 or the fact that doctors think women are incapable of knowing their own bodies. I hope you are going to change GPs and write a very strongly worded letter.

And I agree, buy the doctor Toni Weschler's book. Hey, she can have mine after it helped me conceive naturally and I don't need it anymore.

Does your local Family Planning Clinic have a Natural Family Planning Advisor? If so get him/her to conatct your doctor. I saw one who was brilliant and have been in tune with my cycle ever since.

change doctor - she is talking rubbish. Very worrying that GP's can be so ignorant.

My gp was the same. I had a self-diagnosed short luteal-phase ~ 8/9 days ~ and my gp wouldn't acknowlegde it as a possibility. She told me it was an advantage to have such short cycles because the opportunity to ttc came around quicker every month

I did conceive. I was taking 150mg of Vit B6. 100mg didn't appear to make a difference for me. Some people take even higher doses.

She's not only wrong but also an idiot.

What a combo!

Get a new doctor if possible. She is wrong!

And here I was decrying a society that rewards a thicko like Jade Goody w/good pay.

She's a doctor?!

Yeah, I'm JK Rowling.

suggest you email this thread link through to said GP! or give her a copy of Toni Weschler's book - since TTC I have seen real ignorance in this field even in the gyny section! never mind local GPs ... ask for a change of gp or a referral to consultant.

I can do better than that.....my consultant told me that there was no thing as LPD............. What hope is there really???!!!!!

wishing .. 50mg is far too low .. it won't have an effect .. its supposed to be 100 - 200 mg

HTH

am unbelievably furious at your doctor

wow. what a stupid woman.

What an idiot for a gp, I just self diagnosed my short luteal phase, 9-10 days and my gp told me to take temp first thing before getting out of bed every morning for 30 days and chart, then bring chart in and he will pick the days for progesterone testing and go from there, he is "on the ball." You need a new gp. I have been taking vitamin b6 and 50mg hasn't worked for 7 months now