A gentle caress or a deep wipe? A real symptom or a load of old tripe? Join Prty's gang to rejoice or gripe!

That's a shame Snowy, but onwards and upwards let me know how it goes with the pvt clinic, I have some pvt cover but it doesn't cover 'infertility' and when I enquirer about prices I nearly fell off my chair. I'm on cd42, no idea what is going on tested again, another bfn - just hope AF stays away until Tuesday so my bloods remain valid.

Welcome Garden, yes we are all human and can do things to make us appear a little crazy at times but it's only because we want ikkle babies!

Hi snowy1982 oh I'm sorry - I completely throw my toys out of the pram every month - but it's better to embrace the rage - or whatever feeling, and move on, like it sounds like you're doing (moving on I mean). It wastes LOADS of time and energy as you say. I find cinema very distracting - one of the few things that takes me out of myself... Have a lovely weekend - I know everyone says it's good to welcome the new cycle - but I know that also gets a bit wearisome, when disappointment seems to have no end (that's how it is for me anyway) but I think it's going to be a beautiful summer... Its helped me recently that I've accepted that I'm not going to literally produce a baby in 2016 now, (would have had to conceive in March) and actually that philosophy kind of freed me up - I've still got plenty of time to conceive and produce a baby within 2017 and so I'm thinking of all the available time I have to do that in. It originally got me down that I can no longer physically have a baby now in my 30's as I'm 40 in December - and initially, after not conceiving by March that pissed me off - but now it feels like I've loads time (sort of)

All this hope is a bit of a tyranny in a way - as John Cleese once yelled out in his distraught fashion, "it's not the despair, it's the hope, aghhhhh!"

I'm rambling - don't mean to - just want to help you feel more at ease....

Have a lovely weekend and enjoy the sun, if it appears...

Yes garden you were successful

Well after a week of teasing me, AF turned up this morning. Looking for the positives, at least I won't waste my exam time on knicker watch and I am patiently waiting for the clinic to open to make my private appointment. Actually think I am all cried out over TTC at the minute, when AF arrived I didn't get upset for a change

Thank you snowy1982 !! (Am I actually successfully replying? Still haven't figured things out....) I like your term 'knicker watch' that's just what it is... I'm always looking out optimistically for implantation bleeding. Even when the period starts I HOPE it's that but then know it isn't.... Cruel how similar things are to pmt, it's like a taunt. Then the negative test is like a huge iron door being CLANGED SHUT and a voice saying - nope, that's not for you... Every month!!! Anyway - good luck to you too. Heartening that everyone seems to 'develop symptoms'. I can see why phantom pregnancies happen, I really can - I can see why they can happen to very normal people.... Anyway - we press on into the world of optimism!!!
All the best everybody!!!

Welcome to knicker watch Garden good luck for this cycle, your symptoms do sound promising! I seem to be very asymptomatic (I think I just made up that word), generally before AF I only get some mild cramping, but some months I don't even get that, so I always wonder if I will be the same when it comes to (FX'd) early PG symptoms

I absolutely love this feed - thank you you lot for all being so honest.
I'm due my period this weekend (3 days away but since Sunday (so, for last 3 days) I've had: heartburn, slight dizziness, cramps and really stingy, prickling boobs - it's the boob thing that makes me wonder.... I'm 39 and we've been trying for a year. Felt good this month as we've started the ball rolling for fertility treatment - no actual treatment yet as there's so many tests to go through but I had an ultrasound on all my equipment and the bill of good health really made a difference to my head! But I'm yet to see if this has had an impact on our luck this month. I do hope so!!!! It won't surprise me if I'm imagining these symptoms - but I don't think I am.... I always get swollen boobs as PMT but it never feels like I've got needles in my boobs!! So I'm hoping - but good grief, I'm ALWAYS hoping. Can't stand it sometimes....
I wish all you luck and I'm grateful that I'm not the only one pacing about trying to be calm but actually being driven mad.... x

No update here TMI, today is official AF d day, still no sign but the day is still young so not reading too much into it. Have an exam tomorrow and a big report due for work on Monday so am hoping I don't get too obsessed with knicker watch.

Getting support is great, makes you feel like you aren't alone in it all.

And update Snowy?

Karry, knickerwatch is becoming a bit of a sport..! Hopefully his month is the month for you.

Had loads of support from mum and dad yesterday, was quite emotional but nice to get some comfort. Freaked DH out when I burst into tears...getting a lot of cramping for some reason which is weird because I do not really get any cramping at any time of my cycle...just hope AF is delayed for another 5 days!

FX'd crossed for AF then TMI (never thought I'd say that lol)

I wouldn't even call it spotting, it was the smallest wee bit of reddish discharge and only noticed it as was swabbing. Who knows what's going on, as you say tomorrow is officially AF day so maybe I will be better informed them.

Welcome back to knicker watch karryk

Hello everyone....been a bit quiet as didn't have anything to report...just entering the 2ww now so I'm back on knicker-watch.

Hugs to all x

Well went for another blood test, dr said if my period starts in one week time they could use the tests to review the progesterone level otherwise I need to wait another cycle to get the test results so I hope I get my period in a week otherwise I'll have to go through the whole cycle again and I have no idea where I am in my cycle.

Don't worry snowy, you were expecting to start on Thursday so this would be in line with your usual cycle, although spotting is a sign but don't wanna get your hopes up.... All we can do is wait!! Fingers x'd for you xx

I don't blame you for having a cry TMI, I would do it to what do they plan to do next?

My period still hasn't arrived, it's really getting me frustrated this month, cramping all weekend and then nothing for a few days, coloured discharge last night and again nothing today. Think my cycles are a little bipolar

Just gonna have a good cry 😢

I'm so upset and annoyed, I have just got back from the doctor after having my appointment abruptly ending because I overran on the 10 minutes, I was told my progesterone level are too low they should be in the 30s but are around 2....these are bloods I done back in April, where.l I was told my levels are absolutely fine, so now I have to go through the whole process again when I have no idea when I will be ovulating delaying everything by a further couple of months stupid doctors, could they have not told me in April all they had to do was read Utica a screen!!!!

Snowy is not over till it's over! Either result will be a step closer rotor BFP....Lucy, I'm not sure tbh I have had my prog bloods which say I am ovulating, but my OPKs are never positive, I went through three weeks of consistent testing and not a single positive, let me see what happens over the next couple of days and I might try testing with OPKs again - wouldn't hurt trying !! Thanks

Knicker watch update, a (very) little reddish tinged discharge on wiping. Although this is not normal pre AF behaviour for me, I don't normally notice any coloured discharge before she arrives, but I am pretty sure it's a sign that she is about to come.

Think I will be on the phone to the private clinic tomorrow morning

TMI I'm not sure of your circumstances so forgive me if you've already said all this or if you are already doing so!! But I was in your situation before I got my BFP and if it wasn't for OPKs I would never have known that actually I had two surges last month/ month before. I must not have ovulated the month before (I didn't temp so no confirmation either way) and then did about a week after my AF should have been due. Only OPKed as I feel dull pains which (in my mind) could have been ovulation. Could it be that you're having something similar? A double go at ovulation?

Again, apologies if you have already covered this- my brain doesn't work very well at the best of times never mind after 16 hours at work!!

It has been awfully quiet hasn't it :/ knicker watch still has not shown anything up and I'm now 8 days late...

Have to say our little board has been a bit quiet lately.

While I can't deny I am thinking about it a lot, I still think I am handling it better than last month so I'm happy with that. I think holidays, work and exams are keeping me from being too obsessed with what's happening in my knickers

Let's not think about it...that's the only way it gets easier...no silly searches on Google, everyone's body is different and reacts in a different way....if it's meant to be, it will be!

Said a little prayer for all you ladies last night, I hope in time we all get our healthy little babies 🙏🏼

Waiting really is the worst

Same....waiting....have booked into an appointment tomorrow so they can redo any checks, going to get the hubby tested too, let's see what happens....

Still nothing happening here, although I don't think it will be long

So a deep wipe saw some browny reddy discharge and I have a blinding headache which is a pre AF sign for me....suppose not long to wait now.....

The joys of being able to work from home