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TTC for 10 months and the rest. Ten plussers welcome. Thread 2.

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lucieloos · 07/10/2015 11:21

We have been so busy chatting I've started a new thread. Welcome all 10+ ladies. Hope we all have some luck on this thread.

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lucieloos · 31/01/2016 09:42

Banana!!!!! That's fantastic news. So pleased for you! It's so good to finally have a bfp on this thread. Did you test with dh?

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loopylou1984 · 31/01/2016 09:34

Congratulations banana!! Amazing news! Fx the line keeps on getting darker! Xx

Trixietwenty16 · 31/01/2016 09:29

Omg congratulations Banana!! Amazing news Grin finally a BFP for the thread, hopefully the first of many!

BorisIsBack · 31/01/2016 09:14

banana!!!!!

bananafish81 · 31/01/2016 09:08

Omg. Caved and tested early - today is 8dp5dt and OTD isn't till Thu (12dp5dt)

But a very solid BFP line on a FRER!!!

Cautious as it is early and it could fade. But cautiously optimistic!

lucieloos · 30/01/2016 08:45

Thanks Boris, I will take a look.

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BorisIsBack · 30/01/2016 08:37

lucie purdie has left you a message on the bumsnet thread. X

bananafish81 · 29/01/2016 20:34

Exactly that - I didn't take it during a natural cycle. In my first cycle which was short protocol I started with stims. In my most recent cycle although it ended up being antagonist protocol, we started out in mid Nov trying to do a long agonist protocol - so started it when I started down regging, and then took it through the 5 weeks of BCP after we stopped the buserelin - ie only took it when I was somehow medicated for a cycle. This one was a bit epic with a 7.5 run up of suppression!!!!

lucieloos · 29/01/2016 20:22

Thanks Banana, when did you start taking it for IVF? Do you start same time as stimms or some months before? I notice it says it can interrupt ovulation in a normal cycle? Don't want it to mess my cycles up.

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bananafish81 · 29/01/2016 19:50

I still had some knocking around from pre TTC days that I used to get in the USA. But you can get it from Biovea. If you've not taken it before I'd get the 1mg and work up as the full 3mg dose can make you groggy in the morning xx

lucieloos · 29/01/2016 19:22

Thanks banana, that's very interesting. I have read it starts with the egg too. Will have to have another look at that chapter. Where do you buy if from?

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bananafish81 · 29/01/2016 19:17

That's the plan for me too if this one doesn't stick Sammy - would just restart the Progynova straight after AF for a non down-regged HRT cycle.

trixie I think a fair amount of that £15k is IVIG drips - intralipids significantly less expensive and significantly safer!

lucie I took melatonin during my cycles for egg quality, read about it in 'It starts with the egg', it's a powerful anti oxidant, bit like CoQ10.

I have no idea if there is any correlation or causation but the first round I had only been taking the egg quality supplements for about 6 weeks vs the second round, which seems to have had better egg and embryo quality - where I had done over 3 months of the supplements (the duration of the egg maturation process). I am sceptical but who knows!!

Cycle 1: 7 eggs, 6 mature, 4 fertilised and good quality at day 3 but none made it to blastocyst

Cycle 2: 17 eggs, all mature, 12 fertilised, 7 made it to blastocyst - of which 1 is inside me, 4 are frozen and the remaining two weren't sufficiently good quality to freeze

I didn't take melatonin in a natural cycle because it can interfere with ovulation, but everything else I was taking since mid August. If nothing else taking all the various supplements recommended didn't seem to hurt - except my wallet!!

lucieloos · 29/01/2016 18:34

Banana, I've been reading up on the low amh group on ff and noticed that you take melatonin. Is there any particular reason for this or did you just think you would give it a try? I've wondered about taking it before.

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lucieloos · 29/01/2016 15:13

Sammy, yes selenium is meant to help with the lining and implantation which is why people eat things like Brazil nuts after transfer for the selenium in them.

Your fet protocol sounds similar to what my clinic does. They never down reg with buserelin / suprecur beforehand they just use the estrogen tablets to stop the follicles growing and therefore prevent ovulation. I think it sounds better as I'm sure buserelin thins the lining a bit.

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Trixietwenty16 · 29/01/2016 13:03

FX it does the trick Sammy!

Sounds like you're in good hands with your Consultant Banana. £15k on immune treatment - ouch! If we had all the tests Dr. G recommended plus another consultation it would set us back over £1.5k. We're going for a middle ground with just the TH1:TH2 test and then one more consultation to discuss the results and treatment. If we have a fresh and say one FET and no success with intralipids etc. I think we would have a rethink then.

BorisIsBack · 29/01/2016 12:51

sammy selenium in high doses would be toxic to your system abd could negatively affect your skin, nails and hair and even cause neurological damage. One early symptom would be garlic smelling breath. You probably have to take significantly more than you are to lead to this. There isn't a lot if good science around this so its obviously not a routine occurance.

loopylou1984 · 29/01/2016 12:40

I meant itsme rather than mmp, sorry girls!

Banana - I think we're doing a kind of combined FET/natural with estrogen tablets but no suppression, but will let you know after my appointment on the 3rd.

Trixie - I'm taking the selenium to hopefully improve my lining - we shall see.

Thanks Boris. I'm only taking folic acid so no selenium there so I should be ok. What does it do if you take too much?

Lucie - why have they advised you to take selenium after transfer? Does it help implantation? Xx

bananafish81 · 29/01/2016 12:00

It's me nice work, hope you're resting up and feeling better soon. Great news on the tubes since as you say, although IVF gives you the best chance with male factor issues, there's still every hope of a lovely surprise as it just takes one extra determined super swimmer to get up to those lovely clear pipes - much more challenging if the route is completely closed!

Sammy hope you have a fab weekend and def have some extra Wine on my behalf! Ever closer to your FET, so excited for you. Remind me cos I am crap, are you planning a natural or medicated cycle?

trixie I agree entirely re Humira and IVIG. Women who have them will claim it was that which got them pregnant - but would the cycle have been just as successful with less dangerous interventions. Dr sher writes a lot about immunes and he says they're both unnecessary and says intralipids are just as effective as IVIG. Which is also cripplingly expensive at £1600 per drip. My friend seeing Dr G has dropped £15k on her immunes treatment thus far. Yes she is successfully pregnant but it is very possible she would have had the same result without the IVIG - and that the intralipids, pred, clexane and Gestone would have done the job nicely. Oh for parallel universes to help us make decisions!!

mpp get to Monday and I think the temptation to POAS will be uncontrollable. Have a mental image of a Dr strangelove esque battle with myself, with one arm reaching for the FRER and the other arm pulling it back trying to resist Grin

lucie and trixie I'm inclined to agree about testing early, although it feels bad going behind DH's back,I think we just need to do what we need to do to keep ourselves as sane as possible (or minimise the insanity!) Especially as the first time I'll have done a HPT will be this cycle, to have a BFN practice run seems like a sensible idea.

My consultant was brilliant re all the pain meds, we first went to see him for pre TTC advice about the implications of my medical conditions on TTC and a future pregnancy, and he referred me to a colleague of his who quite literally wrote the book on prescribing in pregnancy, one of only 6 consultant obstetric physicians in the country. Whereas obstetricians specialise in the reproductive organs of the mother / health and delivery of the foetus, obstetric physicians are doctors who specialise in the management of maternal medical disorders - so exactly the right guy to see. He was actually far more interested in making sure my epilepsy was well managed than in my pain management, but he really knew his stuff about what could and couldn't be taken safely. He said I could take tramadol and oxycodone in a second and third trimester but not during a first trimester when the embryo's organs would be forming. He said to come back and see him asap if I did fall pregnant, but may be that we go back and see him anyway even if this one doesn't stick, to see what's reasonable for our next 2ww (as we plan to go straight into a FET so would hopefully be having a transfer before end of Feb. Well not hopefully, but you know what I mean!)

Itsme247 · 29/01/2016 11:46

Lucieloos I hope so too! Although we've been trying for almost two years already and with DH's motility we are pretty resigned to IVF but you never know! Our odds have improved for natural BFP that's for sure!

BorisIsBack · 29/01/2016 11:40

sammy 200 micrograms if selenium is probably fine. The safe upper limit of selenium is 400micrgrams a day. You probably get up to 100 micrograms a day in your diet anyhow. As long as other suppliments you take don't have more than another 100 micrograms you should be fine. My pregnacare has 50 micrograms of selenium as well. So I take a lower extra dose of selenium on top of that to give myself a healthy but not extravagant hit of selenium.

lucieloos · 29/01/2016 11:03

Banana, I agree with what trixie has said. I tested early and felt it did cushion the blow for me. The first couple of bfns I held onto the hope that it was just too early but after that I knew it hadnt worked and by the time otd came and the blood test was negative I had accepted it. I was also glad that I had the chance to test as af turned up on otd. I think you would definitely get an accurate result quite a bit before your otd using a frer but all depends if you want to know or not.

Itsme, brilliant news about your tubes. Hope you get a natural bfp and don't need your referral.

I also have selenium tablets in my cupboard. I haven't opened them yet but they are still stinking the cupboard out. I was recommended to take them from transfer onwards.

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Trixietwenty16 · 29/01/2016 10:40

Sounds like a sensible decision Boris and like Lucie says, next month will come around in no time.

Sorry for AF Sammy. What are the selenium tablets for? I think we used to all eat brazil nuts cos they contain selenium but I can't remember why. Enjoy your drinks with your sister this weekend.

Lucie, sounds like a really good back up plan. I'm really hoping you don't need it though.

Banana, I think you are absolutely right, there isn't necessarily a right or wrong answer when it comes to immunes. I've been doing a bit of research and really do not like the sound of IVIG or humira. Sorry to hear about your chronic pain, that's really tough. If you get bored of Netflix (is that possible?) then I'm a big fan of audible - it's so relaxing lying there listening to a book. You're nearly halfway now! It's soo hard to resist the urge to test early. fwiw I tested early both times (second time got a really faint line but then blood test at clinic was negative) in a way I found having a BFN but still a bit of hope that it was too early helped cushion the blow a bit when it came to a real BFN- if that makes any sense. But on the other hand I found that I spent the last few days of my first 2ww moping because of the BFN. Sorry, that's not very helpful!

Glad your op went ok Itsme, hopefully the pain goes soon.

loopylou1984 · 29/01/2016 10:32

Great news mmp! Any ovarian pain can be referred to the back and shoulders. My back was so painful when I had OHSS!

Boris I'm taking 200mg of selenium... Is that too much? The choice was 50 or 200 in Holland and barrett! Xx

Itsme247 · 29/01/2016 08:38

Haha Boris, I thought the same! Apparently it's where the gas tries to escape, they blow you up so they have more room to manoeuvre the keyhole instruments.

The stitches look tidy though and the trainee anaesthetist did a great job on my canula! All in all very impressed, good ol' NhS

BorisIsBack · 29/01/2016 08:06

itsme great news. Although I'm trying to wirk out how you get shoulder pains from a lap and dye. How long are your tubes?

mmp I take 100 micrograms of selenium with added vit d. I also take 400mg of cq10 and pregnacare and extra folic acid (spina bifida in family)

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