So it's John Wayne vs Les Dawson in The Great British Pee Off and Prty's judging... get ready to be basted, lovelies!

FFS. It's not your job to know why. The nurse should have asked your GP (or whoever requested them).

Anyhoo. In getting off my biochemist chair now and going to sit in my non work chair where I can happily obsess about TTC and ignore all my training

sits

Unpredictable. Y'know. Wonky.

Thanks the moo! Wonky ovulation! What's that?!

If your insulin was normal it doesn't neccessarily mean you don't have pcos, but high insulin can affect production of androgens which is what causes wonky ovulation, excess hair etc. If they suspected pcos they would have tested for it one way or another so I would say you're probably ok. Ask them if you're not sure! They won't mind x

themoo I had no idea they were testing for half the stuff they tested for to be honest! But when they read out the results they said 'diabetes test- normal' so I'm unsure what they tested for- I just assumed insulin? If my insulin is normal can I assume I don't have PCOS? I didn't have fasting bloods, they were all part of the day 21 bloods. I did have one of those finger prick tests years ago- that was fine too. I'm so confused!

Having said that, pcos is associated with high insulin levels, whereas diabetes I'd associated with not enough insulin. So if they tested your insulin and It was normal its a rule out for pcos risk. I imagine they would have tested for androgens (a hormone) too.

shary yes diabetes would have been picked up if they tested for it. Do you know if they did a fasting glucose test or HbA1c or insulin?

Glucose tests your actual blood sugar levels at the time of the test (so it's a snapshot), Hba1c is a slightly longer term view of your ability to control blood sugars, and insulin is the actual hormone that responds to your blood sugars to control the levels. They are all useful in diabetes diagnosis but give a slightly different perspective. If they did any of the three it would probably have come back abnormal if you had diabetes.

You can all wake up now.

Evening... well day 21 of cycle and still no big symptoms but also no cramping as yet, not sure if that is good or not. DH says that boobs look bigger and quite bloated so still in limbo ... Af due sun or tues depending what app I look at so still a bit early to test.

Thanks ladies :) Other than OH I have no desire to talk about ttc with other people so it's lovely to have this awesome supportive thread!

Prty I had a boat load of hormonal bloods done and they all came back normal, including a diabetes test. It says on NHS direct "PCOS is associated with abnormal hormone levels in the body, including high levels of insulin" so I'm assuming this would have been picked up in the blood work??

What do you think ladies?

Sorry - stupid phone! So many typos above!

Hi all. Sorry I agent been back, had a busy weekend house hunting which is good as taken my mind of TTC... A bit. Feel like I am hit waiting for AF to be honest.

Seems like we are all worrying and feeling rubbish this month. I constantly worry there is something wrong with me... It's so hard to remain optimistic sometimes. I'm sending lots of virtual hugs and chocolate round to you. FX for some BFPs soon.

Kitten the sweepstake made me laugh! I'm due a visit tomorrow. What about everyone else?

Prty have you been trying for around 9 months now?

Given up with my cycle, AF due any time between this Wednesday and next Friday, anyone fancy a sweepstake? Lol

Morning all. Sorry everyone's having such a bad time at the moment. It's hard going all this isn't it?

So sorry shary - bodies are weird. They never seem to do what we want them to :(

Offers Monday morning mochas to all (decaf and full caf)
Hands hotwater bottle to Katy

I got all excited yesterday as I found something that was probably EWCM (definitely stretchy). Alas, nothing like it this morning, and no temp spike. However, I did discover while consulting Dr Google that being on anti-hystamines can reduce CM as well as other kinds of M. As I take them daily due to allergies/asthma, that might explain why I'm not getting much CM of any kind.

Interesting to read that according to some studies about 20% of women don't get a noticeable change in BBT around ovulation. So I suppose it's possible that between the two things, I could have no temp spike or obvious EWCM, and I could still get PG?

I'm not sure if that's reassuring or just damn annoying...

Moo did you have crohns/colitis? A friend of mine nearly died and had very similar surgery to you, he's still struggling now a few years on, had to have another op recently. It must have been awful for you. FX for the rest of the TTC journey.

Hope everyone's okay today. I'm avoiding POAS until at least Friday after my umpteenth BFuckingN yesterday.

Oh I've remembered my other question, I knew I would once I pressed send. Do you need to use pads with a bleed from a chemical? I read somewhere that you should so I have been but I hate them.

Also, read agon as agony in the post above.

Moo Wow, that whole intestine thing sounds mad. Glad you've got such a positive outlook on it all though.

I've ended up having to phone in sick to work today, felt awful doing it but I've been up most the night with horrendous cramps even though I've been dosed up on paracetamols and even codeine at one point. Throw some lovely trapped wind into the mix and I was in agon. At one point I was trapped still like a statue on the stairs while on a hunt for painkillers, totally bent doubled over unable to move. This bleed needs to end and just never happen again!

I thought of two questions to ask you lovely ladies but now I can only think of one, the other may come back later. Do you need to inform your GP about a possible chemical? Just wondering with all my endo issues if they should be told.

Hi all! A lot of ups and downs this month for all of us. Shary I think a lot of us are worried about not ov. Prty you're worried you have annovulatory cycles, is that right? How long have you been TTC? You could go to docs if you're really worried, show the evidence (BBT chart, record of -VE OPKs), and get him/her to do some tests. I'm worried I'm not OV-ing either. This cycle my temps stayed low til day 20, with mini bleed on day 14, and now the last few days have gone up (although I've had a tummy bug). I'm now 2 days late, although I've had x2 BFNs (yesterday and this morn). It's all very confusing. Good luck to you. How long are your cycles? Maybe you'll OV a little later...? Xx

WTF not WFT!! So annoyed I can't even swear properly!