Strapping on our lady balls and going menkul because we HATE THIS SHIT!! The Berries: a lovely bunch of 30 something Ladybros TTC #1

smidge I'm so sorry you're disappointed, but quality over quantity. I only had two follicles at that size at that point in my last cycle, but we still ended up with 3 blastocysts, so it's definitely NOT all over. I'm going to continue pom poming furiously for you.

grin congrats on being pupo

sesame did the bleeding hold off for today?

I had my scan this morning. I held it together until the nurse was really lovely to me, then I started crying. Nothing left they could see, so fingers crossed for the hcg results tomorrow.

Sorry smidge, hopefully things will pick up over the next few days. My last couple of collections have been awful. Only 4 eggs over 2 collections but I got 3 of those to blast so you never know.

Grin, congrats on being pupo!

A thought just popped into my head! Normally when I have EC in Czech I am put to sleep. Does anyone know what the situation is on the NHS? I really don't fancy being awake for it!

smidge [hug] sorry things aren't going the way you need them too. xx

woohoo to being PUPO grin sending you lots of positive vibes

Well I thought I'd do an update all at one time.
I'm PUPO!
I had egg collection on Friday and they got four eggs. Three fertilised overnight (first time ever!). I don't know if it was due to a normal IVF (no ICSI), all the supplements DH and I were taking or just luck.
Got to the clinic today for transfer and two embryos had multiple nuclei so were not used and the third was a 3 day four cell blast that was put back in today.

Had my day 9/10 scan and blood test this morning. Nothing happening on the left ovary. literally - 2 tiny follicles

I was thinking that earlier....hope your having a good one beaky

Very quiet in here this weekend, hope everyone's ok!

sesame how annoying, and typical with it being over the weekend. Hope it stays away long enough.

tiger that would be perfect, and how frustrating that they won't be flexible in letting you pay for the fet. With private it costs a lot more to do it like that as well though, so at least there's some rare consistency. Little comfort though.
Would you consider delaying by a month so you were in the downregging stage over the wedding? Or would you put the whole thing off until afterwards so you could enjoy a few drinks?

beaky I'm with you on feelings of giving up. I can't face the thought of entering our fifth year of this shit. If adoption guaranteed us a child I'd quit now, but I know some authorities aren't even taking on couples to start the process for children 3 and under as there are so many approved couples who have been waiting over a year for a match and children are not being taken into care, or red tape is keeping them from being adopted. It's a huge myth that there are loads of children waiting to be adopted. Children over 5, in sibling groups and with special needs, yes. But I don't know if I can take that on.
I've been awake since 5 again. I still have nausea, which makes me wake up every morning thinking 'urgh, feel sick again - oh, but I'm pg! - shit, no I'm not'. The counselling yesterday did help, but although I've been crying a lot I'm still largely in the shock and numb stage of grief and the hysterical sobbing hasn't kicked in yet. I know there's a darker place I'm going to hit at some point and it terrifies me. The counsellor told me to cling on to the knowledge that I've got myself through it before and I can do it again. She said not to underestimate the accumulative effect of this shit building up over four years. What is manageable over two or three years becomes unsustainable over a longer period, and each new knock back, whether it's a failed cycle, a friend announcing a pg or this miscarriage, is aggravating an open wound. She likened it to running on a broken ankle.

Smidge fx for some good follie growth before Monday. How long will you stim for do you know? Yes it's no comfort that prices haven't risen in previous years when it's increasing now! My dh isn't too enamoured with the idea of donor eggs either, he is more a lets adopt person. I would rather have donor eggs but then neither is an easy choice.

*lady (not last).

Tiger that sounds really annoying. They class a freeze all and the subsequent FET as two separate cycles over here too, which makes the finances worse. They're changing the subsidies here on 1st Jan so although I'll have had the EC before Christmas, my FET the following Jan/Feb will not only be another cycle but a more expensive one at that. Grr. Oh, and the clinic are increasing their prices by 3% in Jan too (the fact they haven't increased them for 3 yrs doesn't really make me feel any better thankyou last from finance )

Anyway, just meant to say I sympathise!

I had my day 6/7 bloods and Dildocam yesterday. According to the nurse who called with my results, "it's clearly early days and AliG wants me to continue on the same doses, back on Monday for another check". I think they measured 2 follies over 10mm. (They only measure >10mm so I think there were others). Couldn't see anything much of the left ovary - possibly coz my bladder was full.... Despite having gone for a wee when I turned up - they did my bloods first but it can't have been more than 15 mins later. Ah well. I felt suitably chastised by the scanning lady

Happy I'm glad you're getting organised with a plan. My DH isn't open to considering donar eggs. I'm not really sure how I feel about it myself, and kind of trying not to, coz I don't think forcing MrSmidge down that route would make for a successful relationship down the track. So I think I just have to come to terms with this being our last attempt

Happy that all sounds very promising, especially if you have to wait another 6 months on the NHS.

Sesame wtf! It's so frustrating when things go way off course. Would you be able to reschedule easily enough? Did you manage to get a consultation with one of the clinics from the show?

Tiger I've got my placard at the ready. What biffs. Honestly that's pretty poor saying if you froze that would be your second round. That's ridiculous. Grr on your behalf. Have you looked into doing a private round abroad or not? On a nicer note your weekend of wedding jobs sounds lovely! do you have a shoe style in mind yet?

Smidge if it was a guarantee id do it. shame how was your scan?

Grin how was ec? I was thinking of you this morning and confused myself about the time difference!

Barking I hope your counselling session was helpful. Hope you're getting lots of doggy cuddles at the mo.

I feel a bit like giving up. I don't have much faith that my next cycle will work and am very anxious about money for going private. I don't really know what to do but I feel like I want to take the pressure off. Headfuck. Hurry up counselling. Does anyone think it's worth speaking to the consultant again? I don't think there's anything else they can offer though. I am booked in for the scratch soon so maybe it might be worth a chat if they can fit me in.

argh sesame what a ballache. I guess just wait and see what happens. bloody bodies and their timing. Hate this shit indeed.

Sounds like some good options there happy. Defintely makes sense to have a back up so that you don't have to rely on the NHS slowly getting there with your next cycle with them. Enjoy your . I think I'll be having a glass by the fire over the weekend - am quite excited by the thought that it will be cold enough to get the wood burner going!

smidge I'm at the point where if I thought I could swallow a worm and get pregnant I'd do it now!! How's your cycle going?

barking I had terrible back pain after my chemical post IVF, which I guess was a mc of sorts as I was 5 weeks at the point I started bleeding. Hope it's letting up. Also hope your counselling session goes well later. Yeah, it would defintely be very close to the wedding as my protocol "mid luteal suboptimal protocol with norethisterone" is a long protocol. If my period arrives when my app says it will (famous last words) then it would be ET be either 30/31 March - I could literally be poas on my wedding day. Either way I'll defintely be in the 2ww. That's a headfuck I could do without!

I had a brainwave this morning - freezing any embryos would be an ideal solution. Popping them back after the wedding would be perfect! Rang the clinic to discuss, and they have advised that if I want to do that, splitting the cycle counts as two goes so that would be it for my NHS entitlement and they won't let me pay to freeze and FET and then do another fresh cycle on the NHS either. Seems pretty bloody mean to me. . The IVF coordinator actually said "I'm sure it will be fine, you could actually be pregnant, don't forget". Thanks for that. I could also not be pregnant or having another chemical or feeling like shit as result of a load of drugs, and have the delightful hormonal acne I got last time to add to the fun. Oh and I wouldn't be in this fucking predicament if they could manage their staffing properly and were treating me when they said they would.

beaky you're not angry and bitter. You're having a normal reaction to a hard time. Don't lose hope my lovely.

spare am keeping everything crossed for you

grin how was egg collection?

Weekend is almost here. DP has signed us up for some socialising tonight that I literally can't be arsed to do...I have become so boring! Then full on wedding mode tomorrow - flowers, shoe boutique, hair and chasing up various suppliers!

Hope everyone has a nice weekend ahead.

I’ll be back later to comment properly, but I wanted to say that I got my referral sorted and HSG is booked in for Monday. I told a little white lie about my cycle day as I just wanted it done, and thought it would fit in with work better – and there’s zero chance I’m pg. Now I’ve just found out I’m spotting, on only day 13, since my post treatment bleed. I think it’s entirely possible that my period is on its way. This might also explain my anovulatory cycle. This happened in my first ever IVF, I had a period 2 weeks after the start of my failure bleed, I think because of the progesterone supplementation.

Not sure what I’m meant to do now. If I get my period, I think I might have to cancel the procedure. But I won’t know till tomorrow, and I’d have to let the hospital know during the weekend. Hate this shit.

Ah yes I have been in touch with Unica before for own egg and was impressed with them although quite a bit more expensive. I wouldn't bother with reprogenesis heard quite a few bad things about them.

Oh ok that's good happy, I thought most had waiting times for fresh donor. Do you mind letting me know which ones can do it straight away just for future reference incase I need to go down that route at some point?

Happy, glad that you are ok and thinking ahead. I didn't realise the wait was so long between NHS treatments! If that's the case we will probably have one go and then begin on our frosties. I can highly recommend my clinic for donor. It's what they specialise in and seem to have a huge success rate! If you wanted to do double donor you could get away with going for only 2 days so could fit it in around a weekend. If you wanted to use donor egg and dhs sperm you could go over for a visit on a weekend and he could leave a sample to freeze. That way you only need to make another 2 day trip for transfer so could possibly squeeze it in outside of school hols? There is a huge support network available for reprofit on fertility friends and also an amazing secret Facebook group where the ladies have so much experience of donor. The one thing I would say about using fresh donor eggs is that there is likely to be a 4-5 month wait whatever the clinic. There's also the option of frozen donor eggs which is a lot quicker as is double donor. If I can help you with anything the let me know.

Barking, glad you had company yesterday. Hang in there lovely, big hugs

Berries, anyone tried this treatment .
Parasitic worm 'increases fertility'
www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-34857022

Sorry Happy x post. That sounds like a good plan, and very proactive with the Czech clinics, is there much of a waiting list? are you thinking donor embryo or egg/sperm? Would you look at doing anymore testing first?