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Conception

When's the best time to get pregnant? Use our interactive ovulation calculator to work out when you're most fertile and most likely to conceive.

TTC - a relaxed thread.

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lostindubai · 31/07/2015 20:28

Looking for like-minded mums to be who are taking things as they come and fancy a friendly chat along the way.

I'm 36 and just started ttc my second. My ds is 28 mo and I still bf him once a day, most days. I understand this may affect my fertility but, although a three-ish year age gap would be nice, I'm a long way from worrying about it at this early stage. It took me a year of trying (and a mc) before ds came along so I already know what it's like to wait for good things!

Technically I'm not charting or anything (wouldn't know how) just counting roughly 10 days into my cycle and dtd as much as reasonable (!) around that time.

It might not be the most dynamic way of ttc but it suits me for now Smile

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Tamara160 · 18/10/2015 10:01

Hi everyone! I replied the other day but it seems as though it never posted. How strange.

How is everyone doing? Anyone close to testing? I have a week to go and I'm already going mad!

FuzzyOwl · 13/10/2015 15:39

I have ovulation pains today as well which is really annoying as, despite yesterday's positive OPK, I thought I wouldn't ovulate until tomorrow or Thursday. Last dtd on Saturday morning and if my side doesn't continue to hurt too much will again tonight. So annoyed with myself now for not dtd last night as I had planned as I am sure I have missed out this cycle now, but at least I know I am ovulating again as I hadn't been sure since giving birth.

Annarose2014 · 13/10/2015 12:22

Oh, I took them day 2-6 btw.

Annarose2014 · 13/10/2015 12:20

I have ovulation spotting today so all signs point to my ovulating now (day 15) as opposed to last month which was about day 23. And I've never had spotting before so it does seem to be a stronger ovulation (also have loads more EWCM than normally but that may be TMI, lol)

I just took them cos my cycles were getting longer and longer and it was becoming harder to spot ovulation so I felt I was missing the window.

I will say one thing, they made me feel sick/headachy so I was glad I had a tip from another thread to take them last thing at night so I slept through the side-effects.

Annarose2014 · 13/10/2015 12:15

Soya Isoflavones are derived from soya beans. They have been dubbed “the natural Clomid,”As they work in pretty much an identical manner.
Just like Clomid; Soya Isoflavones work by tricking your body into thinking its low on oestrogen. Your body then kick starts production of FSH (Follicle-stimulating hormone) followed by LH (Luteinizing hormone) Which are both necessary to release Healthy Eggs during ovulation.
FSH is released at the start of the menstrual cycle; it stimulates the growth of an immature egg into a fully matured egg. When the egg has matured your body then releases a surge of LH. LH is the hormone that tells the ovary to release the egg.

WHEN?
You take Soy Isoflavones, like Clomid, on either CD 1-5 , 2-6, 3-7 , 4-8 or 5-9.
If you take soy Isoflavones during the later time bracket, for example CD5-9, you shall strengthen the egg that has already started growing producing a healthier egg. The earlier in your cycle you take It, the higher your chance of releasing multiple eggs but these eggs will not be as mature as the eggs grown from taking Soya later.
A lot of women will choose the middle cycle (3 -7) allowing time for a strong and healthy egg to develop without erasing the chance of a second egg being developed and released.

1-5 = you produce more eggs, and ovulate sooner, with a stronger ovulation.

2-6 = you produce more eggs that usual, but not as many as taking it 1-5. Eggs may be more mature, and ovulation will be slightly more strong than 1-5.

3-7 = The best of both worlds, a few more eggs, and all eggs will be strong & mature, and ovulation will be alot stronger than 1-5.

4-8 = No more eggs will be produced, but the ones already there, will be matured alot more than usual, and ovulation will be very strong. Ovulation may only be brought forward a teeny bit.

5-9 = You'll have one very mature strong egg, from the ones you already produced on your own. Ovulation will either happen when it usually does, or a few days later, but your egg will be of great quality.

DOSE?
The dose is really down to you but you should always use the lowest amount that works for you.
With Clomid the starting dose is 100mg. Soya Isoflavones are said to be half the strength of Clomid, so it makes sense for the starting dose to be 100mg.
The trouble with 100mg of soya is that the capsules tend to come as 40mg. So you have a choice of starting at 80mg.
Some women change the dose on different days. So they may start at 120mg for the first 3 days then give an extra boost for the last 2 days with 160mg.

As I have said though, use the lowest dose possible for yourself. If you ovulate using 120mg/day stick to that for a few cycles. GIVE IT A CHANCE. It is said that it takes 3months to get the full benefits of what you are taking. NEVER EXCEED 200mg/day.

OTHER BENEFITS?
The following potential health benefits are attributed to Isoflavones:
Reduce heart disease risk
Protect against prostate problems
improve bone health
Reduce cancer risk

SIDE EFFECTS?
As with any medication, taking Soya Isoflavones may cause side effects such as:
Nausea
Headaches
Dizziness
Hot flushes
Night sweats
Cramping
Diarrhoea
Lack of fertile cm
Thrush
Obviously the higher the dose you take the higher your chance of experiencing side effects.

DO NOT TAKE SOYA ISOFLAVONES WITHOUT CONSULTING A DOCTOR IF YOU HAVE ANY OF THE FOLLOWING:
Breast cancer, hepatic disease, prostate cancer, kidney disease, taking hormone treatments, thyroid disease, and allergies to soy, peanuts or other legumes.
Soy Isoflavones should not be taken while breastfeeding or pregnant.
Soy Isoflavones may interact with the following medications; androstenedione, antibiotics, clomiphene, DHEA, contraceptives and other female hormones, finasteride, raloxifene, red clover, tamoxifen, testosterone and other male hormones, thyroid hormones, and toremifene.
NOTE: Just like Clomid, Soya Isoflavones may not help some women at all!
Although research carried out on FF has shown that 77% of women taking Soya Isoflavones on the stated days at the stated doses, got there BFP on their first cycle taking them!

FuzzyOwl · 12/10/2015 20:49

I've never tried Soy Cookies but it was quite popular on the ttc threads last year. I think it does shorten the cycles as it works like a natural clomid.

Cookiesandcoffee · 12/10/2015 20:07

Eekk Fuzzy exciting. I have good vibes!

I've never heard of the soya isoflavones?? What is it and does it shorten your cycle?!
Do people still take agnus cactus I think it was? Took it last time ttc and it's always sold out in my H&B and my other health shop doesn't sell it?

FuzzyOwl · 12/10/2015 17:54

Positive OPK today. Fingers crossed all goes well this cycle.

Annarose2014 · 12/10/2015 17:15

Fell off the thread but am still tentatively crossing fingers for this month.

EWCM today on Day 14 so hopefully I'm well in my fertile area even though my fetility app says its not for several more days. But thats going on historical cycles of 34/35 days, whereas I took soya isoflavones during this last period to shorten things a bit. So I would expect to ovulate earlier.

God the pressure during the optimum days! Hmm

Cookiesandcoffee · 11/10/2015 22:12

Nope, no chance to opk or temp (had to share a bedroom and bathroom with both my DDs. I did one tonight when I got home but still negative (CD15 I think) so maybe I haven't missed it? I've got cramps and CM so I'm confused. And eating chocolate.

Does anyone else hide a bit of craziness from their husband/partner? Like I'm so 'casual' but not actually letting on about the over analysis of my cycle etc?!

Tamara160 · 11/10/2015 21:47

Congratulations Belle!! Very happy for you! Smile

Cookies are you able to sneak off anywhere while you're staying with them?

Belleboo23 · 09/10/2015 20:16

It is a shock! I have a ds who is 12 and my dd is just 8, my hubby says people will think this one is an accident Grin definitely not tho lol xx

lostindubai · 09/10/2015 20:07

Ahh congrats Belle. Same happened for me, took a year first time and then straight away second time (admittedly only three years older though!) Bit of a shock isn't it!! Grin

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FuzzyOwl · 09/10/2015 15:13

Congratulations Belle.

Cookiesandcoffee · 08/10/2015 20:44

Congratulations Belle how exciting!! Great news!! I'm pretty sure I had those dull aches with both of my pregnancies so sounds good!
I think I'm going to ovulate some point at the weekend and I am staying with the In laws and I won't be able to test to know whether I ovulated and when Sad having a sulk and eating Oeros..
Sorry for the rant!

DeccaMitford · 08/10/2015 12:28

Congratulations Belle! Hope to see you in grads shortly x

Belleboo23 · 08/10/2015 10:53

Hi, i got a faint bfp yesterday! Took 2 different tests to make sure and again with my first wee today :) just hoping it sticks i have some slight muscle aches in my lower stomach so trying to take it easy. Ordered some clear blue digital tests to see how far along so should get that later. Cant believe it happened straight away after my dd took a year to conceive and im 8 years older now!!

FuzzyOwl · 06/10/2015 14:30

Hello everyone and congratulations Decca.

I am just entering my fertile week and already finding that I am not a relaxed as I want to be about it all. Not sure how I will cope with the two week wait when I found myself questioning retching when cleaning my teeth this morning, especially since ovulation will be next week! Hmm

Belleboo23 · 06/10/2015 07:17

Congratulations Decca! Flowers
After 2 days of brown/red discharge I am back to it being normal. I'm 12 days after I had ewcm but my ovulation tests didn't show up in time to test. Couldn't stop myself taking a pregnancy this morning but it was negative, my heart was pounding!! Don't know what's going on with me now Xx

darkpandora · 05/10/2015 15:28

Hey guys just popping in again hope you are all doing ok. lovely to see newbies joining more people to join us once you all graduate Smile

Speaking of graduating I spy a BFP!! Awesome congrats Decca Grin Flowers see you on the grads board!

Hope you are all taking care of yourselves and I wish each and every one of you all the luck in the world x

DeccaMitford · 05/10/2015 13:19

Hello everyone,

Just to let you know that I have now graduated! Very surprised considering I had 10 straight days of flashing smiley and no solid smiley on my clear blue dual hormone tests last month, i really didn't think I could have ov'd at all, so it just goes to show....

Got my BFP and am now 7 weeks. Started getting nausea last week but took 5 days of it before I actually threw up this morning, quite proud of myself as last time round was much worse. Think I must have learned some tricks for dealing with MS last time which thankfully seem to be helping.

Good luck to everyone on here, hope you join the grads board too soon xx

Belleboo23 · 05/10/2015 11:36

Well I'm not very hopeful as there was definitely more red/brown today but still not like a period and no cramps so I just don't know. I have taken a test it was negative, guess it could be my body still adjusting to coming off the pill xx

Cookiesandcoffee · 04/10/2015 22:05

Welcome Aaf! No it also drives me mad to think of all those teenage panics and fear given by school etc.. It was all a lie!
I caved and ordered some amazon cheapies the other day, I found they worked really well last time. I can't remember when is the ideal time to do them? I think you should avoid your first wee but I can't remember now?? Must start tomorrow as I'm day 9
Wow Belle that is a long cycle! And has there been any sign of AF yet?!

Aaf16 · 04/10/2015 13:20

Thanks very much lostindubai and Belleboo23! Going to order the ovulation tests on amazon. I haven't tried the tests yet as I was trying to listen to my body, but every month the signs are different and at different times so im never sure. Thanks xx

Belleboo23 · 04/10/2015 08:26

It's definitely normal I was only going to get put on chlomid after a year because of my long cycle. I bought ovulation tests just the cheap ones from amazon and it worked on the second try with them, might be worth a go so you can pinpoint ovulation. I ordered 50 for about £7 xx