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minicommandant · 15/11/2006 22:12

Didn't really know where to put this, but hope someone can shed some light. A friend's midwife is telling her that because she already has 2 boys, there is a 75% chance that her 3rd baby will also be a boy. As I also have 2 boys and am planning a 3rd, I would be really interested to know if there is a proven statistical basis to this! It wouldn't affect the decision, just interested to know the odds!

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BalletMum · 16/11/2006 18:09

I am pregnant with number three and already have two boys. I looked into this before getting pregnant and I found loads of info saying that you were 85% more likely to have same sex if you already have two the same. I am assuming that I am expecting another boy but will be very happy if I have a girl.

lockets · 16/11/2006 17:34

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NotAnOtter · 16/11/2006 17:29

no really - i am vegetarian and have 4!

lockets · 16/11/2006 17:00

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PeachyClair · 16/11/2006 16:58

(NB my nan ahd 8 boys and 8 girls)

PeachyClair · 16/11/2006 16:56

I'm sure I read the probability was actually something like 51% boys 49 % girls, this si because of a higher MC / early death (gulp) rate amongst boys and younf males- presumably through war etc.

There are things like cervical mucus, (theoretically also diet) that can affect gender outcome, these are tagain theoretically modifiable.

Babymad2DS · 16/11/2006 16:14

I was reading in a health magazine at the hospital last week, that said, In the last 7 years far more girls were born than boys in the UK, apart from Scotland! In the US far more boys are born than girls! Smokes have more girls than boys! More boys are born in warmer countries!

Babymad2DS · 16/11/2006 15:55

It's always 50/50 also, It's upto the mans sperm never the woman's egg, X and Y and all that!

I am 1 of 10, I am the first 25 yrs, then I have 8 (21yrs 19yrs 17yrs 16yrs 14yrs 12yrs 11yrs and 9yrs) brothers, than finished off with my little sister 3 yrs old. I have 2 DS but DH would like a girl I've told him a baby is a baby, and I'm not getting into this like my mother did no way, my mother is a very silly (understatement of the year) woman. My brother's were dragged up, due to my mothers obsession with this whole girl/boy thing, my mother treated my brothers like dirt because they were the less desired sex and THEY KNOW SO, I have been TTC for 17months, and so long for another baby weather it be a girl or boy, I really don't care as long as the baby is healthy. I would love boy just as much as I would love a girl. There was I point a few yrs back that I wanted a girl but my dad died of cancer last year and I now know that all life is a God send.

Frenchsmallfry · 16/11/2006 15:42

I agree NQC, I am absolutly spot on with my cycle. I still believe it worked for us but your body has got to be doing the right things at the right time. You can not count on anything to work, what you get is what you get.

However the theory has some facts in it, is logical but like most things all factors have to be present. If someone has 2 boys and desparately wants a girl, knows their body clock very well, then no harm can come from giving it a try, Surely!!!

mears · 16/11/2006 14:54

I think the midwife is talking rubbish TBH. There are far too many variables to make a prediction. FWIW, I have 3 boys then a girl.

JoolsToo · 16/11/2006 14:39

I had girl, boy, boy

does that help?

probably not

NotQuiteCockney · 16/11/2006 14:38

No, not a biologist, just someone who reads a lot.

Um, bloodbloodeverywhere, I'm worried about your husband's brother-in-law. Is he himself not male?

throckenholt, it makes sense that maybe diabetics would produce more "girl" sperm, as I bet their seminal fluid isn't quite right, and probably not the best environment for pathetic weak boy sperm ...

The "date of intercourse" thing is obviously just a matter of probabilities. Ovulation can move about, and maybe there's just one unusually hardy boy sperm kicking about, or a girl sperm who can swim really fast. It does only take one ...

buktus · 16/11/2006 14:33

i had 3 boys and then a girl

bloodbloodeverywhere · 16/11/2006 14:30

DHs brother in law comes from a family that hasn't had any boys for 4 generations.

LadyTophamHatt · 16/11/2006 14:25

IMO having sex before/during ovultion to have a particular gender is crap.

I'd be Pg with a girl if it was correct.
I have 3 boys all conceieved between days 12-16 of 28 day cycle.
Our 4th boy will be here in january.....to say it was a surpirse to find myself PG again would be an understatment, especially as conception was on day 8 !!!

PrettyCandles · 16/11/2006 14:16

Slightly more boys are born than girls, but the world's population has slightly more females than males because male mortality rate is higher than female.

In times of war, apparently more boys are born than females.

Some families do have genetic tendency to have one gender, but I don't think there's any way of predicting whether you have inherited that tendency - short of having a dozen cdhildren!

Frenchsmallfry · 16/11/2006 14:04

Oppppps. Sooooo sorry, notquitecockney has already explained the theory of the male spem swim fast, female sperm last long etc........ So no need for me to.

That'll teach me for not reading the whole of a thread before I post. sorry

Frenchsmallfry · 16/11/2006 14:00

Hello, just thought I'd crash to say I am pretty sure that we had one boy then one girl due to timing of intercourse.

I read into the theory of timing intercourse before we tried for number 2, Our first born was a boy, we "did it" day 14. No.2 We tried days 10-12 inclusive and hey presto a girl......two days before ovulation to improve your chances of a girl.

Now I am not stupid and I know full well that it could of been a complete fluke, but I believe the theory may have worked for us.

I will explain the theory if you want me to, but it is long winded and I'm sure most of you will know it already.

Best of luck to you all. I am currently pg with no.3. This one will be pot luck. "did it days 13-16.

throckenholt · 16/11/2006 13:15

not yet waded through the whole thread. BUT - going back through family history it is clear that in most large families here is a roughly equal number of boys and girls - even if they come in a series of one sex or the other.

So generally for the population as a whole it is roughly 50:50. For an individual it may be skewed by physical conditions (ed cervical mucus), or eg I think diabetic men produce more female than male sperm.

At the end of the day - you have no say in the matter anyway - you get what you get.

lulumama · 16/11/2006 13:04

how interesting NQC...are you a biologist or something of that ilk?

FWIW it is predominantly girls within my immediate family,..although i have one of each and am not planning anymore...but girls outnumber the boys...

pinktinselanddollymixtures · 16/11/2006 13:02

Hiya,

Just thought i'd add to the thread.

I am one of three girls. I have just had my third daughter (no boys). My older sister is due her 3rd girl in January (also no boys).
My younger sister has only got the one child and guess what?...it's a girl.

Does there seem to be a pattern here...?

NotQuiteCockney · 16/11/2006 12:07

(I did warn you that I could go on for hours ...)

NotQuiteCockney · 16/11/2006 10:29

Yes, there are generally slightly more boys born than girls. This is probably explained by the fact that male sperm swims faster than female sperm. Female sperm travels slower, but is more hardy, so you're more likely to have a girl if you have intercourse a while before ovulation, and the sperm has to hang about, iyswim.

Ok, the sociobiological explanation is a bit complicated, and mostly based on what I've read in Hrdy. Basically, there's evidence that other primates do sex selection for their own advantage. For example, in a primate species which is matrilinial/matrilocal (girls stay in the troop they're born to, and if your mum is important in the troop, you probably will be too), the top women mostly have girls, to carry on their empire. The bottom women have boys, who will generally move to another troop, and have a fresh start, anyway.

For primate species that are patrilinial/patrilocal, top women have boys, bottom women have girls.

So primates definately have the capacity for status-based sex selection.

Humans are generally patrilinial. Also, historically, if you were well-off and in good health, and likely to produce a really smart strong and healthy child, you'd be better off having a boy. Because historically, women generally all had about the same number of kids (somewhere between 0 and 10, I'd say), but the bulk of men would have 0, and a small number would have hundreds or even thousands (think emperors with harems etc etc. Or Wilt Chamberlain, in the modern day). So if your body thinks you're in a great position, likely to have a great kid, a boy is a good idea. Otherwise, better to play it safe, and have a girl.

I have this theory partly because I live in a socially mixed area - lots of working class people, lots of middle class people. Almost all the local mums I know are middle-class, and almost all the local mums I know have boys. But then, most of us feel quite rich and priviledged, because, compared to our neighbours, we are.

So there, you asked for a real blurb on it, you got it.

I suspect that intercourse timing and dietary changes which hopefully will affect the mucous are more likely to bring you the desired gender of baby than convincing yourself you're poor.

coppertop · 15/11/2006 22:47

I had 2 boys and then a girl. 8 months on I still can't quite get used to having a girl.

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