Immune /natural killer cell treatment when ttc or pregnant (aka the 16th pred thread!)

Morning!

Glad DSs op went well Hula! Hope this round of SO works for you.

Holiday is just what the metaphorical Dr ordered Trying! Hope it does the trick to chill out and recharge the batteries.

Think having things to look forward to definitely helps in staying positive.

Hope everyone has a good day... Half way to the weekend!

Ah great news hula, so glad it went well for your little one ;) fingers crossed for Monday!

Spain will be a great break, tapas vino and laughter-just what the Dr ordered. :) Did you see the news recently where it said trying to get pregnant go on hols...think it was the vit D link! You never know ;)

I'm glad today was a better day for you...there will be so many emotions up and down that's perfectly normal...how long till hols?

Hula was thinking about ur ds. Glad it went well and he was a brave boy! Fingers crossed for monday

All this holiday talk is making me jel! I feel like I can't do a biggie with a potential ARGC Bill coming up! But I am off to Spain soon for some some and tapas and vino!
Seeking - Vegas sounds fun! U have been coping so so well, it's so shit what we have all been through :(..I really hope ur results r back and u can kinda close this chapter and think about ur puppy and holiday! And I hope the baby just comes naturally to u too amongst ur happy plans. And ur puppy :)

Thanks determined---- Yep today is goodish day thanks! I'm finding it really odd at work, like smiling and pretending all ok. Then when I remeber it hits me hard. But I'm at work so continue to smile. Really weird. Kinda odd?

Xx

Hi Ladies,

Sorry i ve been quiet for a few days had been having sleepless nights in run up to DS op but thankfully he had it yesterday and all went well. He was amazing with it and just took it in his stride (dh and i feel like we need another holiday to recover).

Good plan those who are booking exotic hols, when i was approaching 2yrs of ttc my DS i thought what the hell and booked dh and i 2 days of helisking and then fell preg 1 wk beforehand and had to miss it, so sometimes i think just relaxing and living your life if the best medicine (easier said than done tho).

Sorry to dr and seeking for having to deal with annoying preg people but i do believe those that make the best mums are often those that have fought to get there and you all deserve to get there.

Afm on second round of femara, scan monday.

Wouldn't that be lovely x

Determined yey to holidays!!! Looks like the whole pred thread will be booking loads of exotic travelling and than cancelling the trips if the destination not suitable for heavily pregnant ladies we just need to book a good travel insurance as well

ahh seeking...im there with FB...there are loads of babies being born right now and I would have been due my 3rd...also a friend is due the same time the 4th...its so hard and the 'acceptance' thing is a good thing (not accepting not having kids I mean) Accepting what has happened and that its still painful but it is in the past and must looking forward etc etc has helped me a lot. I used to get upset all the time and now I have come to terms with what has happened and what may be going forward and do feel better (mostly). I am so excited about your Puppy...yay! he will deffo make you happy :)

We also have hols booked for next year. I said to DH how would you feel if you missed out on all these things and we were still no further on the baby front...we would be gutted...life is deffo not on hold and I am not having any regrets. I can regret cancelling a holiday...won't regret losing out on experiences that are fun! Woohoo for vegas!

Deffo book that trip nanny and glad acu was good! and glad you are better Drttc. Hope you are on a good day Trying

xx

Seekings that's so good about your trip to Vegas. We had the same chat with DH about travelling and decided to book a big trip where I would need all sorts of travel jabs. So was putting it off for a long time... feel like it is time to start planning things without thinking what if....

Just had my second appointment with the osteopath/acupuncturist. Had a good sleep there. Also all the crazy pregnancy symptoms I had were caused by whatever he did - think he somehow made my ovaries produce more progesterone.. at least I know I am not going crazy...

It's so hard to imagine having a family now, all I have to relate to it is pain and heart ache. Generally I'm so optimistic, just the odd day of despair!
DH just booked Vegas for new year!! Which on one hand will be amazing but on the other I'm already thinking about where I'll be then. It's ridiculous!! I told him just to book it and we'll deal with it later if need be. I'm not putting my life on hold anymore.

Hi seeking, sorry ur having a hard time. I'm in a similar place on alternate days!!! Some days I'm devastated and feel like I need to forget about children which breaks my heart. I then cry a lot. But some days I'm like no, I can do this it just might take years more of heartache. I wish I had a crystal ball
Hope ur results r back and yes def puppy will make y smile!!

Ps I got off facebook! It's been great ow too many baby accouncements. I told people I was wasting too much time on it when they couldn't find me. It's good too as I now only have postive happy people in my life.
Drttc I'm like u! Bitch in my mind but too scared in real life. I usually get dh revving me up before I need to say something to someone as he's much better at it!

Hi Seeking! Haha I'm very capable of being a bitch in my head, but an absolute kitten in reality. However, as these are really sensitive issues for me I'm wondering if one day she is going to get an unexpected verbal beating lol.

Is so lovely cutting those people out isn't it? I won't see this group for 2 weeks now (bloody wedding season) which has helped me go back to my happy place. The entire week in between finding out she was pregnant and going on the hen with her I was SO doom and gloom... Upon getting back the cloud has been lifted. I was like 'Free! Free at last!'

Those announcements take being sad over miscarriage to another level... Especially the ones with similar due dates to you. Shes due end of January (2 weeks ahead of what I would have been), which hurts.

I don't know what the answer is :( But you're way too young to be giving up!

Yay for puppy!!! Very exciting!

Hi ladies ,
Lost the thread for a bit then! Just read posts back.
Drttc - glad you made it through the hen weekend. I don't think I'd have been able to bite my tongue with that horrible girl. I'd definitely have said something... But I am a bit of a bitch

Hi everyone else!

Determined... Sorry AF still hasn't arrived .

Im also of the 'cut the crap' out of my life frame of mind. No time for it, no need for it. So unless people enrich my life, they're not getting anything from me.

Seeing DrS on Thursday (if my results from the karotype tests are back). If not I have to postpone. Then I don't know if I ttc this cycle or not.
Having an absolute shitter I a week/weekend. Everyone is bloody pregnant. I've had so many FB announcers since my last MC. Obviously all due in Jan. feel like a massive punch in the face. I've seriously had thoughts about just accepting that we can't have kids and giving up. Maybe if I accept that I'll be happier?

But we get puppy on Saturday! Maybe he'll cheer me up!

Not really snoopy, just that I could take some cyclogest for a few days and that should kick start a bleed! Tbh our appointment was a bit rushed if honest so I asked Louise more about it and she said it's likely to be the steroids. It won't be the hydroxy as it was late before I started it :(

No of course not, are they really under the skin ones with no head (sorry tmi). I wouldn't pick them I just put tea tree on every now (not too much as the skin goes flaky) and then and use an oil by espa instead of moisturiser (sometimes use both). Mine only just started to clear after the 6 months and literally a week into the steroids back! As if we don't have enough crap with weight gain and miscarriages!! I may try tryings product as I feel I am losing again with the spots!!

Thanks trying, well once af is here I will see. I think with my cycles getting worse I probably don't have an option now :(

Oh yes sorry determined u had seen him. Sounds like a good plan. So sorry AF still not here-what a pain. Are u going to do SO? I hope it comes soon...so frustrating :(
Oh I think a spa day for us All!

Snoopy I love la Roche effaclar-ive not had spots for 1 year since using it . It's always post miscarriage my skin goes mental!

Seeking its ur appt soon-I have everything crossed u get ur results and are ok getting them.

determined did Dr s say anything about your cycle length? It must be so frustrating, is it a common side effect of the hydroxy? I'm so glad the results were better though, and you have contingency plan. it's so hard to know what the breakthrough will be.
Do you mind if I ask have you found anything that helps with the neck spots? I have three on the right side that just won't shift. DH says I pick them but I swear I don't! Haha

Well done Drttc for going on the hen do, but as others said I would keep right out of her way, she sounds like a lovely lovely lady - NOT and you need to be around positivity and supportive people. I can't believe the insensitivity re: hair and alopecia. I knew someone that had it and I would never dream of saying anything about hair if I knew it could upset! some people!! not a clue!!

Dr S said the same about me and kee[ing up at night with the 6 weekers...I think ILs before would be a good thing, and thought about trying it myself. Not sure you were on the thread then but I MCd 2 on the bounce and believe the second one went further along....could be because I had the ILs only about 6 weeks before!? It can't hurt.

Snoopy its good to have a good old cry and we will get there...I know it! We have to all stay positive even thought its so so hard! I have my fingers crossed!

Trying I think we need a spa day I feelling pretty gross just after my short pred stint...spots are back all along my neck, feel bloated but thast could be due to the fact I am CD 44!!! WTF....tried reflexology, acupuncture, vit C, I simply don't know what is going on...I am trying not to worry but its hard.

I know the appointments are like a full time job but I see that you are progressing forward and that's the main thing...

Saw Mr S last week and responded to pred so on same plan. I said that was madness and so have added hydroxy to the mix. I still think I should have thyroxine and heparin but DH & I have agreed we give this one more shot and if it doesn't work then we try something new. I don't get why my activity wouldn't respond and now it does...doesn't make sense and due to that I am slightly concerned a pregnancy is just going to flare it up again...

anyway its all pointless talking like this when I don't actually have a cycle anymore!!?!?!?!?

Ah there's some good news at last!

I just admire how well organised you are. Do you want to organise my life for me?! I do actually really want to try clexane, which is why I'm angry that I'm still being ignored by the NHS! I told my mum ( because I can't bring myself to talk to GP at the moment) I might as well just push for St Mary's or Epsom because my local hospital just aren't responding.

Haha snoopy I like that!! It's the attitude ive takes since miscarriage 3. Simply don't have time for crap like that Ontop of my own crap! It's annoying sometimes u just can't avoid these people. Sounds like DRtCC couldn't have avoided her

Snoopy-when work is crappy is too much isn't it! U just want an easier ride at work when home
Is crap. Kinda liberating but also ive spent alllll of today ringing and making appts. It's tiring and we have a lot to plan before we shift to london
The urologist also found a varicocele so DH needs that scanning and then sorting out. It never ends!!!! But it might help raise his sperm count. I feel like our lives are fulllllll of appts and we are under so many diff docs! Got our ivf review next week wonder wot they will have to say/suggest.

Determined results responded to pred and IL now yay! Think shes waiting to see Mr s for a plan.

Oh and drttc just blank that bitch. Life's too short to have to put up with all that rubbish, DH has said my motto should be 'you piss me off, I cut you out'. I hold a good grudge

Drtcc-I don't want to make thungs complex! But have a look on fertilityfriends. U might want to look into dna fragmentation and a few other sperm tests. People always overlook the man and sperm is much more easily treated. If u push mr s I think he might run them for u-Ive read on the old pred threads that he did them for one of the girls who really pushed him! He doesn't believe it's an issue though....Ow do u have a CARE clinic near u? U can just book an appt and get it done by them or anther clinic near u (sorry don't rem where u live) Ur dH can have normal cpunt etc but have fragmention issues. The urologist is running that and sperm reactive free radical and also sperm anueploidy tests next month for my DH as these are causes for miscarriages.

Also did u talk to mr s about adding clexane to ur programme? It's part of all ivf RM programmes and quenby uses it for all her patients. It promtes placental growth even if u don't have a clotting issue?

Sorry these r just thoughts for u' I hope it doesn't confuse u! I didn't have the sperm stuff done but now I'm Desperate im looking into more. (Plus obv we found out about Dh sperm issue)

drttc I'm 29 ( for a couple more month) . The marks look a bit like track marks, which is a bit upsetting. I do have very pale skin so I'm hoping they'll eventually fade if the veins don't get prodded for a while.
I think you should go for the intralipids. I have absolute faith that all you ladies are going to make it, I just feel pretty despondent about my own chances haha I keep thinking that first little one who was the mmc was my chance because he got the furthest.

trying I tried emailing HR who told me to call another HR dept and every time I try to use my phone in the toilet someone walks in don't want to discuss it with people listening. Work is just so disorganised, it hurts my head. And apparently I might now have to do presentations on my work (which I didn't think I was doing very well) because we're actually the only borough doing it right. The public would be horrified if they knew!
Oh and on the hair thing, I found a big, black, thick hair in my cheek yesterday! I had to pluck it! I'm using la Roche posay effaclar duo to keep the spots under control, no retinol so ttc/ pregnancy safe and all that blah.
Are you finding the no ttc thing is actually a blessing in disguise? I found it liberating to just be me for a little bit.

Have I missed an update from determined?

I see, so I've had 2 chemicals as first one and this one no scan and just bled. While second i as 9 and third I saw a heartbeat but it was meaauring small for 2 weeks and I had been spotting.
U and ur DH going to decide re the intralipds? Maybe try with the pred pre ovulation first? I take it 2 days post LH surge so it didn't affect my cycle and stopped 10dpo.
This girl sounds like she has issues with u! Stay away from her, u need to surround ursrlf with postuve happy people. I've started elimating people that I'm Able to who r not good for me!

Excuse the massive amount of typos! You can kind of make out my meanings lol

Hey Trying! Sorry about the mix up!

Well as I was feeling so low I opted out of the activity (hard core wilderness activity which everyone is currently sore from) and said I felt poorly. She came later in the day I didn't even ask why of sat out, just proclaimed she knew I wouldn't have participated. She must have gathered this from the 5 minutes worth of conversation we've had in 3 years! I assume she has me pegged as some sort of unflattering stereotype and would like to spread the word? I've no idea why and would love if she'd stop. She always went through this lovely phase of publicly saying that I had fake hair extensions in after I grew my hair out. I always said 'No I don't' and she would just respond like 'Sure you don't- wink!' It was particularly hurtful as I'd had a bout of alopecia which I managed to cover up WITHOUT using fake hair... Guess she has a talent for hitting me where hurts!

Awww that's actually a really good way of looking at it. We're probably more equipped with knowledge than most RMC women have ever been. If we stick this out, we will get there!

A chemical is before/up to 6 weeks pregnant. It becomes a clinical pregnancy once they can see it on a scan... So yes we both had chemicals last time (and I've had them every time). Essentially it's a pregnancy that never was able to properly kick off.

I'd skipped the pred this cycle before my BFP as it was screwing with my cycle! I suppose ideally I should stay on it every month...