smack those rats, sniff those drugs; we dont care how, but we will get our babies and we are BROOKING NO ARGUMENT

I still have mixed feelings keep. When I realised we had The Sex the day before ovulated, I had a massive panic and wondered what on earth we were doing. But I soon I realised that we had been through an unusually stressful week (lots of stuff to do with work and school, plus waves of 'threenanger' tantrums by dd2) so my feelings were skewed. The thought of the real possibility of being pg over the last couple of weeks hasn't made me feel panic, though. I think I could handle it and everything would just have to fall into place.

However, another thing I'm not sure about is the merry-go-round of ttc and it just not happening month ... After month ... After month ... After month ... After month ... We have a history of that and I found it a very difficult position to be in. I'd love to simply have sex and get pregnant but as many on this board know too well, it doesn't always happen like that.

I know I eventually did get pg twice but it was a long, increasingly dark and lonely road, especially ttc dd2.

But I also realise that we have 2 dds already and if we did not have any more children, I would be okay with that. I wouldn't feel unfulfilled; I could live with that.

Have you had any symptoms keep?

Not that I can get excited anymore but I'm sure I've got something implanting this week. Boobs are sore, extremely bloated, and got fairly continuous pressure and crampy sensations happening in uterus area, plus my temp has risen again this morning, and all this is stronger than any recent cycle when I've had a bfp followed by either a mc/a chemical pregnancy. 8 dpo tomorrow....roll on the next few days.

AF arrived in all of her bastard glory today. On time, which is good, but I didn't really want it to come and am tiring of dealing with painful tits, bloating, cramping, etc every month. And everywhere I look there seem to be tiny babies and bumps of all different sizes (lots of third bumps, too). Everyone seems to be pregnant, but I know this is just a mind trick and to let it wash over me.

Imps we were going to do Coventry but DH changed my mind a couple of weeks ago lol. So we DTD on the Sunday and fertility friend thinks I ovulated the following Thursday. If this cycle doesn't work then will not ttc again until after gone to Coventry. My last 2 cycles barely got going , last one was gone before we reached 14 dpo, the one before I started bleeding at 4+3, so I probably would have been fine to go to Coventry this Friday if we hadn't DTD. As it is, I am fairly sure an egg has fertilised again this month, am 5 dpo and been feeling things for a couple of days now. Just a case of waiting to see whether it's a good one and whether my body lets it properly implant or not. If it doesn't work out then we are unlikely to ttc again until January and will give the clomid a try then. If this cycle ends before it has begun I'd probably go to Coventry first week of November, as my consultant said you shouldn't test until a week late for AF, well I wouldn't have known about my last 2 BFP's in that case! After then I wouldn't be due to ovulate next until early Dec, and I'd give that cycle a miss to give my body a break plus Dec is busy enough without having to go back and forth to the hospital for scans re the clomid even before ovulated, never mind for location scans etc if we had any success so would ttc in the Jan and would still have the benefit of the scratch then. That's the plan anyhow...

Oh, btw I went on a bit of a spending spree yesterday - 100 internet cheapie pee sticks, 50 IC ov tests and 20 digital ov tests!!!

Mol I will do my best fuck-off-AF dance for you today.

Loops are you avoiding TTC this cycle so that you can have 2 clear cycles before Coventry testing? Or are you going to try a bit more before taking a break?

Far I can't remember - with your current pregnancy did you take any drugs/progesterone/other during the 2ww?

Another lovely day here. What I would give to spend it in the garden rather than the office.

Keep and loopy, got my fingers crossed for you

I'm on CD24 And have horribly swollen and sore boobs. Am also having niggly pre-menstrual cramps and light brown spotting. Gah - it's looking like pretty typical PMS symptoms for me. Doubt I'm pg.

keep and loopy good luck, I'm hoping for healthy sticky ones

imps I reckon she has tested she just doesn't want to tell us! Oh and I read a huge amount on fertility friends about immune testing. I think I would have trouble convincing my dr about it seeing as how they don't even really believe in scratches here! I have used digital smiley face ov sticks for my FETs, when there is so much at stake it seems silly not to. Though I have used the cheapy ones at teh same time just to be sure!

Fingers crossed that emby is getting comfy in there keep.

I've been tracking my bbt this cycle and according to fertility friend I ovulated on Thursday so now 4 dpo. My temp is rising nicely since then, so at least I know my body/the corpus luteum is making progesterone. Am in two minds where to use the cyclogest pessaries this cycle or not, so figured will temp this cycle to try and see what my body does and maybe decide at 14 dpo, even if I get a bfp earlier than then, unless they look like temps aren't rising ok, in which case I may start using them lol. Tired of mentalling over what to do/ not do...

Have you tested yet Keep? Have you have you have you?

Woohoo!

Wtf "Lerp"?! Didn't spot that one before I posted!!

Yessssssssssdd Lerp!!! Go EMBY!!!!

How was the presentation and interview Keep?? Bet you nailed them.

Cool thanks - I only need them for the Coventry cycle so I may splash out on digi ones for that cycle so I know fo' sho' when that egg has flown.

Keep I meant to ask - what ovulation kit do you use?

I figure the biopsy at £360 is a decent enough starting point!