soy isoflavones or agnus castnus?

Hello Iwantcandi
It is advised not to take Agnus Castus when on Clomid, as they work against each other. Therefore, I wouldn't advise taking Agnus Castus with Soy Isoflavones. Sorry.
Glad you have 28 day cycles though-that's good

Hello all.

I was wondering if there is any problem in taking them both?
I have been on Agnus Castus a few months already and it has helped with short luteal phase. Now having 28 day cycles. And was considering starting soy too.
Or will I just mess things up?

Appreciate any advice xoxo

Thanks aux! Will follow your instructions to the latter

And thanks for the link vap. I'll amazon next time then if it doesn't work this time around.
Thanks for useful info kitty. Always good to have experience on hand! I think I'll probably have to do something odd with increasing the dose based on them being 35mg tabs of I remember correctly I am too lazy to walk to the bathroom to go check!
I just read the smep website comments and apparently we smepped perfectly this month (3 days of DTD then one day of then another DTD around the positive opk mark) completely by accident. It's a siii-iign!
Good luck with the last four weeks. With my first I didn't take enough advantage of doing ME stuff in those four weeks and really wish I had. Go to the movies every day. Just sit quietly by the window and stare at the world. Go for window shopping and long lazy coffees. Make many uninterrupted phone calls. Drink many cups of still hot tea. See your friends and play board games or cards. Wash your hair a lot. Spend time talking with your partner if you have one about non-baby things like art and politics and oceanography or whatever tickles your fancy. Omg I could go on and on and on. Just make good use of the time for YOU!!!!!!!!! Me? Jealous of your prebirth state? Exhausted from childcare and lack of sleep one year on still? Never!

Sorry-that first but should read 'into helping your body into producing a higher dose of oestrogen, gradually' Soy Isoflavones just trick your body into thinking it is producing no oestrogen so your body works harder to give you a better dose!

Hi auxiliaryauroch!
The idea of increasing dose is to ease the body into a higher dose of oestrogen but it's only a theory.
The version of your Soy Isoflavones is absolutely fine! Same stuff
I only did CD2-6 as was impatient but CD3-7 is absolutely fine as is CD5-9. I would go over that though, if ovulation was usually late anyway.
SMEP was introduced by a Deanna Roy (sp?) after multiple miscarriages but I think is still a nice 'plan' that is easy to follow for anyone.
I am keeping everything crossed that you both get your precious BFPs v soon!!

Hi vap
Twins yes. :) In theory great, but altjough I've never had any mc or suchlike, twins = higher chance of them, potential caesarian much higher too, low birth weight for babies, and as I'm older all those risks are higher anyway to start off with. I do love the idea of twins don't we all! Always so jealous of twins when we were at school as it looked so much fun. And you'd get raising two infants out of the way in one go! but if I'm messing around with my system I'd rather just maximize chances of having one healthy babe and pregnancy and no surgery for me! Caesarian scares me a lot more than natural delivery!
Sorry not lecturing there, just musing on my own reasons.
Yes, was hoping it would be the same even though the "marketing aim" is for menopause. And that there isn't anything else odd in there then?
If AF shows tomorrow after another 5day LP then I'll start immediately on cd3 on Tuesday. Otherwise whenever she comes. Hoping of course she doesn't come at all and I get a bfp this month!

By the way, the only soy iso I could get in the little village pharmacy was specifically targeted for menopausal women and a non generic brand. I think the dose is 35mg. I presume it is all the same whether it says for menopause or not?

Hi kitty nice to run into you again. Good advice again. I'm still planning on soy next cycle if this one doesn't take with another random (an)ovulation and five day lp. Was thinking cd3-7 to minimize twinning risk. I notice clomid is almost always prescribed cd5-9, I think for that reason?
Are those doses you mention the sort of standard recommendations? Why increase the dose over the few days?
SMep? have never asked when I've seen it I suddenly realise!

Hi!

It was actually the first cycle I tried Soy Isoflavones that I got pregnant and stayed pregnant! However, like Clomid, it may take a 2 or 3 cycles. I took Soy Isofavones from CD2-6 (50mg, 100mg, 100mg, 200mg then 200mg) I had 50mg tablets so depending on your dosage, adjust slightly. Never go over 200mg!
I took them just before bed so had little side effects. I did get a bit drier CM-wise but on ovulation day, had no problems there
I DTD SMEP style as well.

Hope it is successful for you and if not, Clomid may very well do the trick!

I can completely understand your desire for something to help you conceive but Soy Isoflavones and Agnus Castus do two very different things.
If you are waiting to be prescribed Clomid by he doctor, you are needing to have an extra burst of oestrogen at the start of your cycle to help kick start ovulation. Soy Isoflavones do work in the same way so worth investigating (although wait until your next period to start them). Soy Isoflavones are part of HRT during menopause for this very reason.
Agnus Castus works for a different issue to you and therefore, I'd steer clear of them for now. They are thought to regulate different hormones, not just oestrogen, throughout the cycle which is not the issue you have (if Clomid is being prescribed)

I must add that I am currently 36 weeks pregnant with a Soy Isoflavones baby (my first after TTC for a year) and it helped up my oestrogen at the start of my cycle (BBT was always too high) which caused me to have a v strong ovulation on CD14 (was always at least a week and a half if not more, later than that) and in turn gave me a good progesterone boost to help support Bean.
I would either wait for the Clomid prescription which will be regulated medically or take a risk with Soy Isoflavones next cycle. I personally would leave Agnus Castus for now.

Good luck!!