soy isoflavones or agnus castnus?

Oh damn I wrote a long post and then accidentally reloaded the page.

Also wrote a witty reply to the thread-flitting but I'll be damned if I can replicate that now!
night I took epo this cycle as I read the same about cm but soy didn't really seem to make a difference and neither did epo. I never get masses over extended periods, usually one day maybe of a lot and then just a small small amount on other days. I think cm is less important on the scale than ov. Preseed might be a good option for you anyway?
vap I'm sorry AF came in the end. I really did have my fingers crossed for you and thought you would be lucky. I feel positive about conceiving this cycle but less so because of the soy and more so because I got a progesterone prescription to take after ov as I foolishly think that will fix eeee-eeeverything and then I'll obviously just get pregnant right away innit. Really just want ov to come already!
So far the soy this cycle hasn't brought ov/lh surge forward by the same amount as last cycle, but I'm okay with that. As log as I ov again (as in pretty sure I did last cycle for the first time).

You are right plum really don't want to bring it any more forward! Am also worried as I have heard it dries up CM and am desperately trying to increase mine. Will see when I ov this month and then make a decision. Many thanks for the advice :) p.s is there a thread you aren't on?

Of course, I haven't looked into it too much. It's always a risk because it isn't explicitly formulated to do something in particular (like eg clomid or certain types of progesterone etc) although as I understand it if you have regular cycles it will more often than not tend to mess them up by delaying ov. Which may be a good thing if it allows for more maturation of an egg.
Question is if it doesn't delay ov for you and God forbid actually brings it even more forward, would you be comfortable with the risk you took in having wasted a month? I would have been irritated if the soy last month pushed my ov/oh surge even further back but was willing to "lose" a month so to speak as my cycles were totally unable to support a pregnancy anyway. I wasnt even sure I was ovulating either so it was a very small risk in that way. But if it brought it even more forward for you would you be okay with that and feel it was worth trying anyway? I would hope that if you took it late it would help push it back but who knows until you do it!

Hi night
As far as I know if you take it quite late it can delay ov? Eg cd5-9 rather than eg cd3-7?

Hi ladies. I ov early it seems and have been told that soy can delay ov as well as bring it forward. I know nothing though so any wisdom would be much appreciated :)

Oh no vap! No! That's so terrible! I'm so very sorry. I Dont know what the other interactions might be between soy and clomid although I do know that hyper ovarian syndrome developing is a distinct possibility. If you took the clomid on top of the soy and it made you release eg four eggs all of which got fertilised you'd stand an enormous chance of miscarriage or other complications so I think the doctors are very nervous about it. I know it is awful and I do feel awful for you (trust me I know!) but I think you did the right thing telling. And it was a decision for both you and your dh because any complications will effect him too. I hope you and your dh are okay today.
Fwiw it is true that soy can work counter actively and prevent ovulation completely. That's because soy sometimes suppresses the oestrogen receptors. So your body thinks it isn't making oestrogen so makes even more until you stop taking the soy. But it can also stop the oestrogen from being released in first place as it confuses your hormone producing systems into believing that there is too much oestrogen in the body and so it will result in anovultion. Clomid is molecularly designed to ONLY work on the receptors, while soy works generally across the whole body hence the chance it could go the other way too. However, mostly it seems that people's personal experiences are that it helps stimulate ovulation rather than suppressing it. But it is a risk and I guess for doctors who know that clomid is a far better option they would consider it a risk not worth taking.
Sorry for the long post. I do feel for you so I'm just babbling on hoping to make you feel better about waiting for the clomid. You could try get a private fertility clinic appointment. They might be more inclined to prescribe it sooner?
But wait aren't you still waiting for af anyway? Could you be pregnant?

Yes stuck to the same days. Have watery cm today which is a bit strange at cd7. Finished this round of si last night.
Yes I can see why you wouldn't tell. I work on science research and my theory is that I'd rather tell than keep quiet and maybe there is some terribly bad interaction between the two that I don't know about. Probably not so I wouldn't stress, but I do generally trust people who know more about drugs than me. :) hence why I will say I took it and say what I think it did.
Did AF come or was it something else? Hpt?

Hi vap
Sixth cycle ttc. No clomid or anything. I had a bit of a headache but it was probably AF related and not soy related. A bit of nausea first day but none thereafter. None this time. Also taking them at night!
I think the doctors will prescribe the clomid for cd5-9 and not earlier as they really want to avoid multiple eggs being released. So be prepared for that. Makes sense to not take it this month though just in case they don't want to give you anything until your system is "clean" of other things which might mess up your hormones.
I sympathize with all the testing!

Hi vap
Unfortunately af got me at 8dpo. So the soy appeared to bring my opk and ff-confirmed ov forward by six days. That's really good. But I'm not sure I actually ovulated as my temps post "ov" were still erratic although I'd like to think so. Didn't really do much for my lp as I only added two days to it so it could have been just normal evolution of my cycle. Am sure however that it brought my positive opk forward! Was very down about af arriving but am now on cd4 and started my second soy cycle on cd2 so we will see what that brings.
Have you been tempted to do a hpt yet?

Interesting Vap - the sore boobs, exhaustion etc could well be hormone related re: oestrogen and progesterone imbalances so maybe sorting that out has helped (I don't really know!)
Keeping fingers crossed this is a BFP month for you!

Positive opk yesterday four days early! Temp spike today which might (I hope) indicate ov happened last night which would make ov six days earlier (presuming I ov-ed before). Hoooo-ooping that means an extended lp from five days to nine or maybe even eleven! Will keep you updated!

Get shagging Vap!! That's a great positive and Happy Birthday

Hi Vap,
I used pre-seed to conceive my first. It is exactly like KY Jelly, in fact felt much nicer! It won't put your DH off, comes in a tube like KY Jelly, and has the same texture/look etc.
You really have to use sperm friendly lubricants!
Hope you get your BFP very soon.