We are jolly well going to have the number of babies we want and we will BROOK NO ARGUMENT. Join us if you refuse to take "no" for an answer and like smacking rats.

fingers crossed far but great news about HCG.

I keep meaning to say mol that I've had 2 cs and I'm 36 (still just) and its not even crossed my mind to be concerned about some of the things you mention. I don't know why to be honest. a very good friend is a mw and I've spoken to her about it previously and she said that it was fine to have a third after 2 cs certainly didn't raise any red flags.

hinky I 2nd babybond, very professional and very reassuring, once you see a heartbeat at 8 weeks your MC rate is hugely reduced, something like 2% versus 1% at 12 weeks. Bring on the nausea, great sign I say.

mol I think given the concerns over c section its only natural for you to be reticent.

HCG was 1171, fab news. Although clinic have me in a bit of a panic as my immunes results were a little high so I have just been in for an intrallipid drip. Very odd set up with 15 or so women on a drip like some Orwellian nightmare baby factory. No one was chatting either. Anyway, hoping that does the trick and convinces my body not to kill this one off. Wibble!

but overall, it feels right

Maybe if we did get pg, this is what I would hope for and that my mind would be at rest.

And an instant updiff would be great! (For us, that would be

hinky - we have alwYs gone to babybond (or whatever they are calling themselves now) at around 7-8 weeks. It's £99 bit worth it to me. I know it doesn't guarantee anything but if there is an issue, I'd rather know ASAP and have neducal management

oh mol who knows! it sounds like you are scared to make the decision like its a one way ticket and you won't be able to change your mind back again although I guess if you get an instadiff then that would be how it is.... argh on your behalf.

great news far fingers crossed for positive bloods later

imps sorry that mrimps is finding it tough. not sure what to suggest sorry

Tian tian should definitely be the official mascot of the brookers poor petal

As for me I feel like shit which is great. feel like I'm permanently hungover on the edge of yakking. custard creams are my saviour today. dh and I still rather in disbelief that we are updiffed and a bit apprehensive about how little sleep much chaos we are in for. but overall it feels right. got initial drs appt next week then its pant checking for 6 weeks or so until the scan. hmm how does one go about getting an early scan then?

Far, that's funny about poor Tian Tian the Panda! Definitely an honorary Brooker in my mind.

Here's a question: why, when I've gone past ovulation, do I think about being pg/having a new baby/picturing 3 children together? When I'm near ov or actually ov'ing, I get cold feet? It's bizarre (btw, I'm CD22 today and I think I ov'd on CD18).

Oh imps sorry to hear that, as you all know DH is also a nightmare when it comes to rat smacking when he is stressed, maybe at the weekend? It not nice to be rejected though, especially when the golden egg might be about to make an appearance!

Sparing a thought for poor old panda Tian Tian today going for a third attempt at insemination, I think we should make her an honorary brooker, I think Pandas are fertile once every 3 years or something!

More bloods for me today, I really hope they call before 6pm with the results!!!

imps similar story here as we go to bed so early...
far is right, ivf doesn't use up any of the eggs, just the ones that wouldn't have developed. In fact that's why some people say that natural/mild ivf is good, as they say it's the golden egg which would have been chosen which would be the best one anyway.

No definitely not, I actually asked about this, IVF just stimulates the antra follicles that would just wither away when your egg is released so its not using up more eggs don't worry.

I sometimes have months with no EWCM so you may have already ovulated or be about to? I would smack the rat just in case! Don't fear. your cycle might also be a bit messed up form all the IVF drugs for a bit too

No - I do not think so imps. I think the IVF hormones have probably made your cycles a bit out of kilter.

I think of you had only 4 eggs left, you would have had a really low ovarian reserve reult which I presume they do as part if the standard bloods?

Therefore, I think you have millions of eggs left and one is brewing, as we speak, for a BFP this year

far - many congrats!

Hope everything is ok. Im feeling like crap but hoping this is a good sign. I might splash out on an early reassurance scan as had them with DD and DS.

Off to catch up

Mental here as much as you need to Far

We registered DD2 yesterday so she is official now and we were also discharged from the midwives.

Thanks all, another one on Friday and then I will try and relax until the 6 week scan, you might have to put up with my mentalling a while longer!

Molotov and trix my advice is GO FOR IT. :)
You are brookers so all will be well.

Woohoo, congratulations Far!!

Congratulations far, that's great!

congratulations far!! that's awesome x

Yay! far that's great news

Just got the call, torture or what, HCG is 437, hooray, more than doubled. The wait has been torture, my stomach has been in knots all day and I really need to calm down and do some relaxation techniques! Gah!

Sorry very quick post as I running out the dorr.
Evening all......

far I really hope it's good news and they don't keep u waiting too long .
yes actually the pred is fairly cheap if I remember right the lipids were 350quid a go , I had 4 of them. I will ask about getting any of it on the nhs. I think the preg vits are dear but we all need them anyway. best to stock up when it's 3 for 2 same goes for the frers!
my 'silver lining' was always that after our first mc I always got pregnant in one or two cycles. although before that we were having fairly regular unprotected sex for 5/6months before I got pregnant that first time. we were starting to wonder why although I realised now that 6 cycles is nothing! me and dh were convinced I was pregnant again even though we only had one shot at it, in his words 'because you are always pregnant' (as he puffs out his chest and preens himself!) it's made us think that actually we might not be lucky enough to conceive quickly this time. which just gives me more to think about!
af has fucked off but rat smacking will not continue yet . I need to make a decision about treatment. I'm worried it's to soon right now as well but I guess if you factor in how long it make take to get pregnant and how long you are pregnant for perhaps it's actually not too soon.
rambling again. .. ...

keep, my DH does want another child.

He told me a couple of months ago that he thinks we'll have another and when I've asked him why he wants another dc (we talked about 3w ago) he says it would just be nice to have a baby/young child again and I think he pictures three dcs around the dinner table.

It was stressful ttc dd2 - and you remembered correctly: she took ages to come along (dd1 took 9m to conceive naturally, so not fast). So because of our history he says he's happy with our two dds and I believe him. I also believe he doesn't want to put pressure on me - especially if we tried and didn't conceive again.

Is my best bet just to not take precautions for the next few months and leave it to fate?

I remember someone asking that exact same thing non a previous thread and a pp said 'But that's like lying down on thw motorway and leaving it to fate whether you get run over'

molotov... have you had a proper talk with your dh about all this? i know you said earlier he'd be happy either way, but surely he has a preference? Maybe it would help to thrash it out with him. Also didn't it take you a long time last time round? So better to get crackingleave it to fate while you figure things out

far good luck x a million for the results. Italy? how lovely.

so the frosties are set to come on monday!

Congratulations to hinky and all those with their precious BFPs

Hello nest, so sorry to read about your problems ttc, and what a very insentivite and ignorant consultant you had dickhead

After what I have come to call 'Panic Sunday' a couple of weeks ago, I still can't completely shake the thought of a dc3 for us. Last week I was set against taking the risks of another CS, but I felt ovulation this month and felt sad after DTD when DH, er, withdrew (using withdrawal atm).

My dd2 has recently started nursery for 3 morning per week (every morning from September) and in some ways I appreciate that I will have some time to myself since 2009; I can concentrate more on starting my own business that has been a pipe dream for a while now. I also know that we (speaking financially here) can give our 2 children a great life. We can afford everything they need and most things they want. I can also physically keep up with them and I enjoy having 2 little girls, as opposed to a little girl and a baby. I'll also be allowed to watch what I want on telly in the mornings sometimes and listen to my music in the car

But today I've hit with surprising jealously at dd's nursery seeing some other mums with baby bumps. I don't know if this is a coming-to-terms process or if it's my actual want to have another baby.

I hate feeling jealous. It's a very negative and useless emotion but I definitely felt it today. I do feel like the time I'm willing to give to ttc again (if we went for it) is running out because:

1. I'll be 33yo at least if another baby is born (certainly don't want to get pg after 35 because od increased risks pertaining to 'older' mums, which also increase as I've had one CS)
2. Age gaps between children. Looking at 7y and 4y (dds 1&2) and a dc3. There's 3y between dds so I don't want more than 8y and 5y gap. That's too big for me.
3. If I got pg between April-November, there would only be one more school year between dd2 and a dc3 than there is between dds 1 & 2.

My mind is wandering now. Basically, I just feel very torn between what to do.