Grab your Ganeshas and collect your cats: The Elderberry Pavlovas in the Quest for the New Year clusterdiff (thread 25)

Tiger was it you who read and recommended The Mind Body Fertility Connection? I found that very interesting, but ultimately the message I took from it was that I couldn't get pg without the course of hypnotherapy that he says is important, so it actually made me more anxious (given I didn't go and have any, and maybe if I did the iui would have worked) rather than give me information I could do something about. I'm sure other people could read that book and just take a message about positive thinking, but it didn't work out that way for me.
The immunology stuff is worrying me again, but even if we pursued the private testing angle, I'm not sure we could do anything about the results during a nhs cycle of ivf?

Smidge - sorry to hear you have had bleeding. It seems strange, as you say, if things seem to be getting worse with each treatment rather than better. Look after yourself. Snuggle up to MrSmidge if it helps.

Feeling at all the cr*p the Berries have been going through recently. all round.

pip when I went in for the blood test on otd the nurse asked me how I was and I said I knew it had failed. She asked me if I was bleeding and I said no, I was on progesterone so I wouldn't, but I'd had a bfn. She said some women start bleeding whilst still on the progesterone. I started bleeding later that afternoon before I would have taken the next dose anyway. I thought it was strange that in me it masked a mc but didn't prevent AF.

Barking - I finished gestone at 12 weeks and MC'd at 12.5.

smidge I'm sorry but I hope it doesn't necessarily mean the worst. Are you unexplained?

happy hope you're doing ok.

barking not read that book. Could be interesting though.

tammy have you tried acupuncture for pcos? I have friends who have had very real results (ie they have their babies) after acu to manage pcos.

jellie how's it going?

beaky when's otd for you?

Not much to report here, another quiet and cosy weekend, sorting house stuff and improving my gluten free baking skills.

Damn. It's funny how progesterone works in different people. I didn't start mc'ing until I stopped it, so it prevented bleeding then, but with my 2nd iui that failed I started bleeding before I stopped it.
I was hoping you could write it off as implantation bleeding if the progesterone was likely to mask anything else .

Yes, on progesterone (but it's never stopped my spotting before).
Also Clexane and prednisolone. (And 5mg frolic, calcium, mutivit, and CoQ10)

Oh, smidge I'm so sorry . Are you on progesterone?

4!!! Just a measly 4dp5dt Pip. Last time I made it to 5dp5dt (though actually I don't think it was quite so obvious red blood until a couple of days after that even). Down in the dumps here at Smidge central . Feels as though each time is less successful than the last. No doubt AliG will say I still have to keep on the meds until my OTD in a week which is just rubbing salt in the wounds. I just ate 4 pieces of cake, but what I really want is to get hammered.

Noooo Smidge. Bollocks to that.
Refuse to let it happen.

So fucking unfair. How many days past transfer?

Off-white soon became constant browny beige, and now I've just had proper red blood on wiping.

I'm fully expecting a bfn to be fair, but I have to go in for a blood test at the FC anyway, I just thought I'd test the day before anyway as it's a non working day.

Oh rubbish to the smear and 3 years plus barking. I think tiger may have read that book recently though?

beaky I think more the question is would you trust the result? I can't imagine it would give you a false bfp, but if it was a bfn, would you believe it, or still have a nagging doubt?

I've just had a letter inviting me to book a smear test. At the last one the nurse was asking if I children and I told her we'd been trying but hadn't had any luck yet. 3 years on. Feels like a time warp.

Has anyone read the book Is My Body Baby Friendly? I don't know whether I want to read it knowing that the nhs probably won't support anything I might want to do with the information I read....

Yes Tammy, wot Gill said. These things are changeable anyway so I'd say get up to date checks sooner rather than later.

Gill I hope you are slightly late then and can get your frosties back on board soon.

I had a look to see what pg tests I had and I've 1 frer but it's gone out of date in January. Will it be ok to use?

Beaky - I don't have an OTD but AF is due next Sunday (not tomorrow). This is a bit of a pain as my hysteroscopy is due the day after and they won't do it if I'm bleeding. I'd have to rearrange the op and hope to start the patches on the following cycle.

Tammy - stop playing in the sand and get these blood tests sorted!

beaky - We had usual NHS investigations (bloods/sperm/HSG/ and internal scan) a few years back which showed nothing untoward apart from slight PCOS on one side for which I take metformin. I want to repeat the blood tests before I turn 40 (in a few months' time) but am procrastinating/putting my head in the sand about it.

Aww sorry to hear that Tammy remind me, have you been for investigations?

Gill when is otd on the day! for you? Do you then go straight back to the FC for the patches for your next cycle?

HB how are you doing? Been thinking of you

Sorry to hear bad news for happy

AF got me last night. Occasionally I get absolutely no AF symptoms and it arrives a few days early - this was one of those times. Caffeine binge for the next few days and then on to the next cycle.

Would like to be a fly on the wall when you try and talk about your bodily functions with Mr Smidge, chortle.

Nothing unusual to note from my 2ww. Not particularly hopeful given how ill I've been.

Yes, Beaky that seems to be what it's for. The FC said it was to support growing follies and give an 'extra boost'.

Great news Jellie
Exciting times Wild
So sorry Happy
Smidge don't forget that the Crinone has been blessed by ganesha and BinCat.

Oops x post Wild - the growth hormone thing was included in the info I was reading the other day, it's to protect the quality of the eggs in short protocol for low amh/poor responders right? I will be pompoming madly for you too, good luck for Tuesday!

Happy so very sorry it was bfn. It feels weird to say happy birthday too but also wrong to let it pass. I am thinking of you both

Gill you poor thing that sounds awful. I hope a eelaxing hairdressers session makes you feel a bit better. Anything unusual for you in your 2ww?

Smidge re the positive attitude, I had a really really positive attitude for this this IVF round and it clearly didn't help so I'd say don't worry too much about it and it is totally understandable how you feel in the circs. I really hope that the extra drugs are making that difference for you. Pom-poms over here for you lady.

Oh and enjoy that chat with Mr Smidge... He may want to have a look!

Happy valentines to all the lovely berries, you really all are a special bunch

Oh no, so sorry Happy. That's so unfair. Thinking if you and hoping that you are taking good care of yourself.

Smidge - I like the idea that your negative attitude might give your bean a fillip. Some people are at their best when things look darkest. That sort of grit is something which the Berries have to draw on far too often in my opinion.

And Crinone gel discolours. It just does. Although I'd be interested to hear MrSmidge's views too. . Maybe you could do something together to take your mind off the 2ww?

Also - I will be coming to you Smidge for Clexane injection technique when the time comes. Which will not be until ET in approx June! I'm not sure why they've given me the box now.

Ok Beaky, so details: 225iu of Fostimon and same of Merional. That's the highest dose the FC gives and may be reduced depending on response. I'm also having growth hormone. The first scan is booked for Tuesday (Day 6). Then scans and bloods every other day.

Premature posting there. Phone being really slow and I end up tapping the screen too many times while I'm waiting for it to respond. impatient or what

Gill it feels the same as my other attempts to be honest. Dull cramping which I presume to be from the progesterone. This afternoon the remnants started to take an off white colour, which I'm certain is bad news for me. I checked and last time I got the dreaded pink tinge by 5dp5dt. Today is only 3dp5dt and although it's not pink as such, it looks like the sort of colour it started off going before the spotting started.. And I know it's not uncommon but i just feel quite down about the whole thing. Ever since we were told it was a 2:3 grading I've felt it was doomed. I do hope mental attitude doesn't impact on chances. unless my baby inherits my irritating need to prove people wrong of course and my negative attitude actually gees him/her up

MrSmidge got in a strop with me today coz I'd been quiet all day Friday and just feeling down in the dumps but all he sees is me glued to mumsnet when I go to bed, then again first thing in the morning when he wakes up. He said he feels like he's just a donor and I should talk more to him. All well and good, but he can't bear it if I talk discharge/bodily functions!!

So I'm sneaking on here while he's picking up a DVD. I'll ask him about off-white discharge on his return so he feels included .

Good luck to the second batch of berries.