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For anyone TTC or thinking about TTC with Soy Isoflavones

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Disneylandkilledmychildhood · 23/10/2014 21:18

I will be starting soy isoflavones tomorrow, cd 3.

This will be my 11th cycle TTC, with two chemical pregnancies/ early miscarriages @ about 5weeks so far this year already.

I've read up quite a lot on SI, and just at the point now where I'm thinking, what the hell, I'll give it a go!

Anybody else TTC with soy isoflavones?

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lamaris · 26/03/2015 09:13

Hello ladies,

I would like to join you! I have been taking SI for the first time this cycle.
I took 140 mg on cd2-6. I'm now afraid that I screwed my cycle up.
Please take a look at my chart in the post above this: while taking SI, my temps were very low. But once I stopped taking SI, my temps shot up to post-OV temps!
It almost looks like I have ovulated on cd7. But It's been confirmed on ultrasound on cd9 that I've not net ovulated (i'm being monitored since I'm currently in a FET-cycle). Did you experience strange effects on your BBT when on SI?

lamaris · 26/03/2015 09:06

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For anyone TTC or thinking about TTC with Soy Isoflavones
For anyone TTC or thinking about TTC with Soy Isoflavones
artylady14 · 24/03/2015 11:01

Hi all,
I have had a stressful few months which has lengthened my cycles so I thought I would try soy isoflavones (CD1-5 from 120mg to 200mg) this month. Well, I am on CD18 now and still getting lows on CBFM. I usually get about 7-10 days of highs before I ovulate so if this pattern persists this week I will be ovulating very late. Would it be too late to try to conceive this month if I do ovulate so late? I had a chemical pregnancy a year ago when I had a long cycle and ovulated on CD30.

I would be very grateful for any advice!

Nomio230 · 23/03/2015 11:41

Hi all,

I am hoping for some advice. I am 37 & TTC No.1. The doctors can't find anything wrong with me, but I don't always ovulate. I have just finished a course of Clomid, but sadly still no BFP. I also have quite a short LP. Do you think SI would help me?

I would really appreciate any help, as I have tried pretty much everything else and am getting desperate!

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auroraboringalis · 22/03/2015 14:48

jass that's heartbreaking! Am so sorry. Best of luck with the process now until you're in the clear to ttc again! Flowers

VixxFace · 22/03/2015 09:18

How many pregnancies from soy have there been on this thread?

jassS · 22/03/2015 07:57

There is no cause for my mc, all tested. One theory is that it is immune related, so I have been on prednisolone for last few tries. And this time I got further than ever, as it was with soy, I believe it helped. But I am thinking maybe it might make more sense to try again with later days. Has anyone here done days 5-9 and what has that resulted in?

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henrycocoa · 21/03/2015 21:41

Oh, jass, I am sorry for your loss.

jassS · 21/03/2015 03:04

Hello ladies, may I join? I has soy success at my first try in January, but I found out today my baby has died at 9w3d. It was a first one to develop heartbeat after a high number of early losses (over 10). So I am convinced I got this far because of soy. I took them days 3-7, 100mg daily then 200 the last day. Am now wondering whether it could be better next time to go for even later in the cycle, i.e. days 5-9? I ovulate on my own, so took soy only to boost the egg quality. Obviously it did, but something still went wrong.
I have elder living children, but started to suffer early losses about 4 years ago. Any advice? Of course I still have to wait a couple of months before trying again, just planning ahead here to make mc more tolerable.

auroraboringalis · 19/03/2015 09:03

Thanks laura

Lauraqc · 17/03/2015 19:27

Aurora I would say it goes more on the start of your cycle than what day you ov on...so I would think day 10 would be too late? Having said that I did take it during a mega cycle on 5 random days (I wouldn't even be able to say what days in the cycle they were!) and seemingly had no side-effects at all! Once I had af I took it at the right time and had a lovely 27 day cycle which I was over the moon about!

auroraboringalis · 15/03/2015 11:32

Hi girls. Can some of you clever people enlighten me? I have seen it recommended that you can start SI on day 3, 5, or 8 of your cycle, for five days. Would you be able to start on day 10, if you only seem to be ovulating after cd20? Or is it just too late? I thought I'd give it a go because my very short lp (but delayed ov) indicated that I was probably not ovulating at all (am on my first few cycles post-partum).

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Lauraqc · 14/03/2015 07:31

Henry I did 120-120-160-160-160 as that had worked the month before!

henrycocoa · 14/03/2015 06:24

Oh dear, lauraq, what dose did you take?

Lauraqc · 13/03/2015 18:23

Ah thanks Loopy that's a handy reminder!

I took mine on days 3-7 this 'cycle'. I say in inverted commas because i'm on CD 22 and no sign of ov either by temp or cm at all. Worried that i'm in for another mega 150+ day cycle :(

LoopyLa · 12/03/2015 19:05

Hi all! Smile

I'm still trying, on cycle 4 of SI, 6 in total. I've just finished ovulation and changed things a bit this cycle. Had been taking SI 3-7 but changed it to 4-8 this time round. Also didn't bother increasing amount but took 200mg the five days. Below I've re-posted the SI info for anyone who's interested?

And a question, if I may, to Alpacamybags - I was just wondering why you fancy a change to SI from Clomid? Hope you don't mind me asking.

Soya Isoflavones are derived from soya beans. They have been dubbed “the natural Clomid,”
As they work in pretty much an identical manner.
Just like Clomid; Soya Isoflavones work by tricking your body into thinking its low on oestrogen. Your body then kick starts production of FSH (Follicle-stimulating hormone) followed by LH (Luteinizing hormone) Which are both necessary to release Healthy Eggs during ovulation.
FSH is released at the start of the menstrual cycle; it stimulates the growth of an immature egg into a fully matured egg. When the egg has matured your body then releases a surge of LH. LH is the hormone that tells the ovary to release the egg.

WHEN?
You take Soy Isoflavones, like Clomid, on either CD 1-5 , 2-6, 3-7 , 4-8 or 5-9.
If you take soy Isoflavones during the later time bracket, for example CD5-9, you shall strengthen the egg that has already started growing producing a healthier egg. The earlier in your cycle you take It, the higher your chance of releasing multiple eggs but these eggs will not be as mature as the eggs grown from taking Soya later.
A lot of women will choose the middle cycle (3 -7) allowing time for a strong and healthy egg to develop without erasing the chance of a second egg being developed and released.

1-5 = you produce more eggs, and ovulate sooner, with a stronger ovulation.

2-6 = you produce more eggs that usual, but not as many as taking it 1-5. Eggs may be more mature, and ovulation will be slightly more strong than 1-5.

3-7 = The best of both worlds, a few more eggs, and all eggs will be strong & mature, and ovulation will be alot stronger than 1-5.

4-8 = No more eggs will be produced, but the ones already there, will be matured alot more than usual, and ovulation will be very strong. Ovulation may only be brought forward a teeny bit.

5-9 = You'll have one very mature strong egg, from the ones you already produced on your own. Ovulation will either happen when it usually does, or a few days later, but your egg will be of great quality.

DOSE?
The dose is really down to you but you should always use the lowest amount that works for you.
With Clomid the starting dose is 100mg. Soya Isoflavones are said to be half the strength of Clomid, so it makes sense for the starting dose to be 100mg.
The trouble with 100mg of soya is that the capsules tend to come as 40mg. So you have a choice of starting at 80mg.
Some women change the dose on different days. So they may start at 120mg for the first 3 days then give an extra boost for the last 2 days with 160mg.

As I have said though, use the lowest dose possible for yourself. If you ovulate using 120mg/day stick to that for a few cycles. GIVE IT A CHANCE. It is said that it takes 3months to get the full benefits of what you are taking. NEVER EXCEED 200mg/day.

OTHER BENEFITS?
The following potential health benefits are attributed to Isoflavones:
Reduce heart disease risk
Protect against prostate problems
improve bone health
Reduce cancer risk

SIDE EFFECTS?
As with any medication, taking Soya Isoflavones may cause side effects such as:
Nausea
Headaches
Dizziness
Hot flushes
Night sweats
Cramping
Diarrhoea
Lack of fertile cm
Thrush
Obviously the higher the dose you take the higher your chance of experiencing side effects.

DO NOT TAKE SOYA ISOFLAVONES WITHOUT CONSULTING A DOCTOR IF YOU HAVE ANY OF THE FOLLOWING:
Breast cancer, hepatic disease, prostate cancer, kidney disease, taking hormone treatments, thyroid disease, and allergies to soy, peanuts or other legumes.
Soy Isoflavones should not be taken while breastfeeding or pregnant.
Soy Isoflavones may interact with the following medications; androstenedione, antibiotics, clomiphene, DHEA, contraceptives and other female hormones, finasteride, raloxifene, red clover, tamoxifen, testosterone and other male hormones, thyroid hormones, and toremifene.
NOTE: Just like Clomid, Soya Isoflavones may not help some women at all!
Although research carried out on FF has shown that 77% of women taking Soya Isoflavones on the stated days at the stated doses, got there BFP on their first cycle taking them!

Lauraqc · 11/03/2015 23:33

Yes I think so everything it's usually days 2-5/3-7/4-8 depending on the effect you want to have...I can't quite remember the slight differences though!

everythingcrossed2015 · 10/03/2015 13:36

Im on CD8 is this too late to start taking it iv only just found out about it today....

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henrycocoa · 05/03/2015 10:00

Sounds promising, fireflies. Fingers crossed for you.

I know what you mean about the bulk vitamin buying, similar feelings also experienced during sanitary protection purchases, wondering whether to upgrade Fertility Friend membership, booking holidays etc.

Gutted about being away for next ovulation. It was 2 years ago this week that I got my positive HPT for my MMC. Started trying for DC3 more than 2 years ago now Sad

10000Fireflies · 04/03/2015 21:55

Not yet Henry, but I ovulated later this cycle which is very unusual for me. So I don't know if my cycle is lengthening due to taking Agnes Castus recently... or it could be the huge amount of sugar I had early on in the cycle. We'll see. I hope not to need the soy, but I guess I will be doing some feverish reading and purchasing in a day or so.

Congrats on having a textbook ovulation. Grin Hope you don't need to worry about the timings of your next cycle. It is with a heavy heart that I stock up on Pregnacare Conception in the 3 4 2 offers at Boots. Fingers xd for you.

henrycocoa · 04/03/2015 13:13

Well. after being concerned about the SIs messing with my cycle, I have ovulated on a very textbook CD14.

I stuck with the low dose all the way through and took 100mg on CDs4-8.

I would love to be able to bring forward ovulation for my next cycle as we are away with the DC in the same room, bang on ovulation time. Not conducive to TTC! Maybe I will up the dose for next cycle in the hopes of either bringing forward or delaying ovulation - or is that a bit messed up?!

Aaargh, I've not even finished this cycle and I'm already worrying about the next one - I just can't bear to miss an egg. Grrr...

Did AF appear fireflies?