New balls please! The BESH are hanging out the cunt bunting for Wombledon and saddling up for the Tour de France!

85k is a distance I do in my car only! Barking that sounds like madness but good for you for doing it! There is something to be said for not over doing it when you're trying to get diffed in order to let your body concentrate on what it has to do however it clearly is your happy thing and the thing that helps you not worry about all t'other bollocks so I'd carry on for the meantime

Hi Fafe, hope all is well with you and the faithlet think I'm passed the help of that book but thanks for the kind thoughts anyway. Have a shoulder punch for thinking ESH comes first!

barking possibly not! It's useful to learn how to temp and follow signs of ovulation, perhaps more suitable for someone earlier on in the process?

Only 85k? Only?! I did a half marathon a couple of weeks ago. Haven't run since.....

Hey Faif good to see you this side of town
I already have the book but cheers for the offer. It probably is good book Barking if you have anything that resembles a cycle to monitor. I found it interesting if a bit repetitive.

8hrs on a bike is still impressive. Just a couple of hours on the horse and a spot of mucking out was enough for me today. Definitely feeling the negative effects of my sod it attitude to diet and exercise post IVF fail. Time to rein in a little on that score methinks before I start looking like a house end.

chez I too currently go nowhere but this thread! The app opens on 'threads I'm on' and this is the only thread I'm on, so I don't even look at what else is out there!

faith what a lovely offer . Would it teach me anything I haven't probably already learnt from mn/Dr Google/my own experience of temping, opks, 2 mc's and iui over very nearly 3 years of TTC? That's not me being facetious, it's a genuine question as I can't tell from the reviews! I feel like I know so much, especially compared to 2 years ago, when I had to accept that just having regular sex hadn't got me pg in a year of trying and maybe there was something else going on....

I did only 85km on the bike. It was foggy, damp and bloody freezing. And we went the wrong way. After 8 hours on the bike I admitted defeat and called the husband taxi....

Wotcha hags, I'm Faith, a CRESH (I know some of you!). I've been decluttering recently and found my copy of Taking charge of your fertility. Would it be of use to any of you? If not, I'll offer it out on the conception board but wanted you lot to have first dibs.

It seems slightly ironic that they don't get the ticking clock bit of all of this and also raise their eyebrows so disparagingly at the response to the 'how old are you now' question. I want to say 'I was 33 when I started this fucking process'. Grrr.

Well done on the education piece Barking, if you make one instadiffer think about their actions and save others the misery of another FB scan pic then its a good thing. Enjoy your insanely long bike ride!

I don't go near those other wild places you speak of Blue guaranteed depressive material, I'm afraid self preservation kicks in. BESH is my go to fred and I don't often poke my head around any other doors round here.

Chez SiX bloody months? It's a fucking joke. I got diffed in May. I was due in Feb. Our next treatment is end of Jan. It's basically been the length of a pg before trying again. Ridiculous.

Anyway. Sloe gin consumed tonight .
115km bike ride planned for tomorrow .

I won't dwell on the hour and a half journey I just spent in a car with my mate who chose to tell me she was pg (with her third) 10 minutes into the journey. 'It just happened'.
She then proceeded to suggest I tried giving up cycling as maybe I was pushing my body too hard, said 'perhaps it's time to throw some money at it' 'cos 6 months of acupuncture, enough sticks to pee on for eternity and 3 years of every woo vitamin going didn't cost a penny and when I said we were doing iui in January replied 'I'd be trying now if it was me'. Bloody hell, didn't even consider that?! What? We could try and get me pg by having sex?!

Still, BESH, you'll be proud of me, I did teach her something. She remembered me saying after my last mc how painful I found it to see scan photos on fb so she made the decision not to put hers up as she realised she didn't know what people might be going through. I did that! By being honest I've probably saved some other poor BESH being confronted by yet another fb scan photo .

Blue what was this other thread and what rubbish were they spouting?

TBH I really can't be arsed Fab. I found out today we can get a full copy of our notes for £50, saving the need to redo all our bloods, tests and counselling at the new clinic and hence the ££ too. They can go lock stock for the new consultant to interpret too so nothing should be lost hopefully.

SIX months??? You're fucking joking me???? Jeeeesus Chez what a piss take. I think you should make a complaint, that's just pathetic.

Blue - Malibu??

Come now Blue my lovely

You'll be alreet hag, bolster up now.

We've had to rearrange our follow up failed IVF apt at the end of December. The next available is February. I kid you not. Thats nearly 6 months since treatment. Oh yes I feel like a valued patient. Not.

Am also liking Friday fun fact. Halle is also hot which means I am seeing a theme. Clearly the BESH are just too fucking sexy to be catching a baby right now ... Yes??

Just been on another thread, it makes me fucking furious that we are expected to put others at ease when they ask us when we will be having babies. You know I reckon if men carried the babies there would be a lot less stigma around this and. A Lot more of "oh the wife just can't get one in me, another beer mate?". The whole thing just reeks of trying to make us feel ashamed that we don't work in the way we should. Well fuck it, just fuck it

(Hags I am drinking Malibu, this may have prompted the rage... Am I evicted from the BESH gin house?)

Hi Icy

We should all be experts in waiting Erica. Unfortunately it doesn't seem to work like that, I'm still an impatient bugger despite the many months of torture.

Ooh hello Icy, fresh meat, we could do with a bit of that round here. Sorry to hear of your woes. Get yer BESHtionnaire submitted and tell us more. ooh yes the expense of it all best no to think about it too deeply.

Ah Hags, I don't half luff you all
(Sorry, I am fluffier than I may have initially had you believe ... Soz)

Wow, everyone has so much going on!

Barking What a week. Sometimes life doesn't give us a bloody break, does it? Hope you have lots of cycling and gin and fun stuff planned for the week end so you can leave all that baby chat behind.

Non-baby shower. I can't even. Son cringy.

Cherry Brilliant news about new clinic and awesome doctor.
Re: ranting with your friend. I know what you mean. I've got a couple of friends that are doing things on a slightly different timing to most (changing career paths in their mid-thirties, splitting with husbands and going back to dating when people around are getting married, that kind of thing) and it does make you feel a bit like a freakshow. Which, in 2014, it's frankly ridiculous. Fuck it. I miss my 20s too. I wonder what I used to think about... clothes and boys and I assume. Bliss!

Blue There are lots of treatment to improve the jizzage, should that be a problem, before a donor needs to be considered. I always end putting ourselves in the worst case scenario of the 'what if' spectrum but really, no need! Mr Erica is the same, he says that if we had to use donor eggs/sperm, he would rather adopt or just stay as we are. Let's cross that bridge when we get there. Well done with the work project, hag, enjoy your gin. Cheers!!

Fab I felt really really tired and achy and crap for few days after the lap. As in, not in massive pain or anything, just hangover from the drucks and sore and meh. Look after yourself, get some wine in!

Nothing to report on my side. Waiting and waiting and constantly going through baby/barren forever/adoption/IVF/fuck it fuck it fuck it scenarios in my head. You would think that after three years I would have got better at it but nein!

Enjoy the week end hags!

Friday Fun Fact: Halle Berry had her first baby at 42 and the second one at 45. She says that the second one wasn't planned which nearly makes her unbearably smug but then again she was in that truly horrendous Catwoman movie and no one could be smug about anything after that, rite?

Hi Icy, you sound like you might need us but please do fill in the BESHtionnaire at the top - no entry without full details revealed!

Can I join you pls? We've been at it for a year and not even a sniff of diff. I'm the barren one, with loads of acne and cystic ovaries. He has 2 kids from his exwife 7&9 years ago. She took a month each time. Cunt. Am not quite 30, but I like gin and I'm a hag.

Am seeing a private fertility man now, done a glucose test and he'll start mapping a treatment plan. It costs a fucking fortune but having had a shit time with the GP I needed out. She told me if I went private they'd put me straight into a cycle of ivf.

Sometimes I click on the "anyone about to start ttc" pages for a jaded laugh. "I've just come off the pill my bfp is due on..." rolls eyes at optimism

Oh Fab, not good, roll on a restful weekend for you so you can kick that headache and feel back to business. Whelks of wellbeing for you chicken, that's pants.

Yo Blue happy returneth to the BESH bosom, enjoy your gin! I think there's lots they can do for poor spaff results before resorting to donor so don't despair, I'm sure it won't come to that though why are our menfolk so unwilling to consider these things .

In our apt today the nurse did say they can do surgical sperm removal/ICSI in emergencies where there are very few swimmers. I'm sure ROCH's eyes watered at that moment!

The job front is quiet apart from the gossip which is to be expected after what they said about the process when we met. I don't think they're exactly rushing to see people and there are at least two interview stages left to go which don't conclude until mid December so no news is good news for now methinks. Keep yer fingers crossed all the same hags.

Ok Hags, I think I'm back. Evil project from hell at work complete (woop! There is a lot of current gin drinking)

Good news Chez,cluster diff ahoy!- and also where were we up to on job news too?

Erica - loving your fun Monica bellici fact. She is also hot. Maybe I'll swap my initial les crush to her?

Barking - jeez! Honestly, just jeez! Maybe move to a job with older people? Mine colleagues all currently have teenagers so any pregnancy news from them would be a disaster (diffed whilst on the implant lady aside, she's based elsewhere)

Thanks re: LP advise. I think mine is fine. The whole thing is pretty regular to be honest. Still need to get Mr Blue tested but we spoke last week and he says if his spaff doesn't work he won't accept donor spaff and we will have to adopt. A bit wobble inducing to be honest cos I would absolutely have donor eggs for me but it is what it is ... Gotta respect his view too (I suppose ??)

Fab - boo to feeling like a pile of poo. Have no idea if it's normal but hope it passes soon.

Learnt today that my youngest cousin is pregnant - this now makes me the oldest and only not diffed/babied up cousin. I'm also the only married one so all eyes on me and Mr Blue's todge then??

I think baby showers are weird anyway let alone an ironishower. Barking you have officially had the worse day evuh. Go, find the gin and dip your head in a bowl of it. If possible feel free to blow raspberries in it too just for the kicks (plz try not to drown yourself in it though as that would be a step too far for the BESH!).

Yay Chez for getting a new cycle date - plenty of time to have fun with gin and then concentrate on getting yourself healthy and raring to go again. Brilliant news.

AFM I feel like a pile of poo - I've had an evil headache since the op - is this normal? Shouldn't I be feeling ready (if not quite raring) to go by now? Instead I feel exhausted and still ready to nap at every given opportunity zzz

Jeez hags, it's not enough to be barren is it, some fucker upstairs or even the bloody universe then finds all sorts of screwed up ways to rub it in for us hey? ^that is officially a poo day Barking, go right ahead, gnash teeth and howl at the moon. Tis trooly shit.

I had a very therapeutic rant with a dear friend this week, both bemoaning the fact that being in our 30's has brought so much shit with it, curve balls and expectation from other people about what we should or shouldn't be doing with our lives. It's rather spoiling the dream, 20's was so damn carefree in comparison.

Still, we have signed on the dotted line with le clinic this morning, hopefully one stage closer to bringing everyone's dream to a reality for neices, nephews, grandkids ah you get the picture no pressure folks . All being well to cycle Feb/March time so long as we get a donor match. I'm hoping we can ride the back of this 'ere January cluster diff. PMA hags!

Even the idea of a baby shower makes me want to gouge my own eyes out... An ironic one? What the actual fuck? Get over yourselves people.

Are 'ironic' baby showers a thing now? Please someone stab me in the eye with a rusty screwdriver.

Oh ffs. Now accidental differ has announced it's a boy and I've been invited to her 'non baby shower' event at the end of Jan: 'A last chance to go out without needing a babysitter' Oh my heart fucking bleeds for you dear.

Right, I'm back properly now.

Erica Harness the inner shewolf. I agree, not knowing and therefore wondering if someone is pg is often worse than knowing they are.

Blue opks, bbt, cm, charting etc etc... Oh the things I didn't know about my cycle until I realised with horror that having unprotected sex didn't necessarily get you pregnant and I might need to learn a bit about the mechanics.

Fab hooray for the zapping and unsticking. January should be iui for me - it's going to be an ivf/iui cluster diff!!

cherry best of luck for tomorrow, hope everything goes well and you come away well informed and confident it's going to happen . And well done with getting a doctor onside!

The girl who sits next to me at work became an aunt today (brother's baby). She got the call, squealed, and started crying. Then showed me the photo when it came through. Her sister also works in the office so there was lots of mutual squealing. Then I tried not to listen to the phone call to mum about being a grandma.
Then another colleague was enquiring about the refund notice for the Xmas party as his wife is due that week.
I asked someone about a former colleague and they said 'oh, you know his wife's expecting?'
Then someone brought in cake for their birthday. Turns out she just turned 30. Seems so young now. She already has two children .
There were other pg stories from today in the office but I'm losing the will to live just relating them to you. Enough is enough, there's a limit.

Painted the lounge tonight whilst listening to the neighbour screaming and shouting at her 4 kids yet again.

Walked the dog in the park and bumped into accidentally diffed friend. Even in the dark her bump is now obvious and I actually felt my stomach tighten as I saw it. She's as far gone as I would have been with my second. Time to start avoiding her for the sake of my sanity methinks.

Anyway Besh, today has been poo and I'm going to bed. Tomorrow will be better.

Yup Fab it really does!

Squid of sympathies with you Barking, I feel your pain. I just got invited to lunch tomorrow with the newly laid from our office. Of course I can't make it as I'll be in the FC clinic, oh the irony thank god .

A small triumph for me today; I finally got a Dr to listen to me, embrace new medical thinking and let me try a different combo of HRT drucks, hurrah! Only taken 11 months and multiple requests. Hopefully these won't turn me into a psycho or cause massive skin irritation like the current lot. I'm almost excited to try!

Fucking baby talk all over the fucking office .

That is all. As you were.

Will be on properly later, just had to scream somewhere.