Old birds wanna join the coop???

Fertility specialist, they've got a good track record. I know it may not work but I'm trying everything :)

Yep! :) I'm having another acupuncture session tomorrow, apparently day 13 is a good day to have needles stuck in you.

I'm poas for ov does that count Ginger? :)

Sorry Tranquility, but don't worry about your cycles, the three months where you can't do anything will no doubt help to regulate them again.

As for Clomid, my consultant said that it wasn't worth trying it as I was OVing regularly every month, it would potentially do more harm than good. But I'm going to try Agnus Castus as you recommended, looks like people have good results with it. What's the worst that will happen, I won't get PG. No change there then... xx

Good luck for this month Irma.

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I've started properly bleeding now so although it's upsetting at least my body is now trying to get back to normal.

I just hope it doesn't muck my cycles up once this has finished. Can't do anything for three months sadly though.

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kegirl I used to have a history of mid cycle spotting even when on the pill. I was prescribed clomid in the end which helped me. X

Good luck Irma xx

Good morning!

How is everybody today?

I'm symptom spotting like crazy, but I should really wait another 5 days to test. I have a bunch of the cheap tests from amazon in the draw tempting me...

Well if you were, that makes perfect sense.

Good luck with the temping!! With DD that's how I found out I was PG, but I just can't do it this time. DH gets up for work at 4.30am and sometimes he wakes me and sometimes he doesn't. I did it for a few months but just found that I couldn't be consistent with readings. I would wake up in the night and look at the clock and then get woken a couple of hours later by DH so that was that morning's reading messed up!! I had more 'not quite accurate' readings than accurate ones!!

I managed to get a rough pattern from it, which is when I realized I was definitely OVing every month (I got a very obvious temperature dip on OV day followed but a big hike the day after) but I also found that every month I would get a dip on about 9DPO and the spotting would start. I put 2 and 2 together, went to the GP who spoke to the Fertility specialist who agreed that I should try Progesterone pessaries to stop the spotting. I tried them for 3 months (they should work instantly if it's progesterone related) and didn't make any difference.

I've had a smear and loads of the other swabs plus all the tests so they have no idea as to why I start spotting so early... Might start another thread about it actually and see if anyone else has experienced it.

That is useful information, thanks KE. That's pretty much what the doctor said, too.....Counting back on my fingers, I suspect I was 6DPO, but that's just a guess, because I haven't been weeing on sticks, and I've only just started temping this cycle...

Stubborn, my understanding is that 30 and above is enough to show you OVd (as opposed to just being good) and that's all they need to know. When I had mine done, mine had to be done a day early because it was the weekend (I had to have it done on the Friday when 7 days post OV for me would have been the Saturday or Sunday) and mine showed the same level as yours, because mine wouldn't yet have peaked. So they weren't in any doubt that I had OVd, especially when you combined it with my temperature readings.

So please try not to worry. Your progesterone wouldn't have been as high as that if you hadn't OVd. It would be down in much lower figures.

You need to do it from the OV date (the 7 days) as opposed to 7 days prior to your AF. Because the LP can be different. So how many DPO were you when they did the test, that's the important bit. If you were only 6DPO, that would fully explain why you hadn't yet reached 30.

Well, it was on day 18, as my cycle is normally 26 days (day 19 was a Saturday). And then AF turned up on day 24 , so that makes it 6 days before...

The doctor said we'll repeat the test this month.

Stubborn was your 21 day test 7 days before AF?

There seems to be some level of shame and/or embarrassment if you struggle ttc. I think it's just another pressure society puts on women to be perfect. We're all led to believe having babies is the most natural thing for a woman so if it doesn't happen easily there's a sense of failure about it so women don't talk about it which means other women ttc feel they're the only one struggling so they don't talk about it and so it goes on...

Hmmm, that's interesting..... The results of my 21 day test came back pretty low (28.8, 30 and above is "good"), although the GP said that she thought I probably did ovulate. Maybe it was an anovulatory cycle then? I definitely noticed less OV pains and less (although some) EWCM last month...

I've got plenty of OV pains already at CD6 this time (normal for me), so hopefully will be popping out an egg this month anyway...This is the first month I've been taking my temperature, so am interested to see what that will tell me.

I went to see a friend the other day- she mentioned a friend of hers who has adopted 2 DC, so I asked her more about that (all going well and easy apparently), and let it slip that we are TTC. She told me it took her 18 months to get pregnant with DC#1 (in her early 30s), yet no time at all with DC#2. But the point is, that I would never have known if I hadn't asked. It seems to me that difficulty in conceiving is more common than we think- it's just not talked about that much.

Sebsmummy I must have low expectations because that was better than I expected, he told me an average 35 year old OV 9-10 times a year so a 40 year old is only slightly less. Don't forget it's based on 'average' stats and some women don't OV at all.

Wow, ovulating 7 times a year on average at 40 is sodding depressing isn't it!!!

Totally agree with Tranquility :)

kegirl don't put life on hold, book a holiday if you want to, as long as you have insurance you can always postpone if you fall pg.

Feel for you, hugs xxx

So similar Annie :) I do feel there's a certain amount of fobbing off with the 'you've conceived once you can do it again' line. Interesting you should say about the anovulatory cycles, my fertility specialist said an 'average' woman ovulates 7 times a year at the age of 40, I've no idea where that stat comes from and a 35 year old 9-10 times a year. So based on that we all have some dud months! Have you been using opk's?

Ummm to clomid or not to clomid?! I think another appt with my GP is needed.

KE Girl Feel free to whinge away! That must be so hard to hear from your DD and such an innocent thing to say. I've whinged away on here recently, after 10 months of ttc I can't take the no caffeine, alcohol, reduced sugar regime combined with planning nights out (or in) based around whether I'll be 'fertile' and needing to dtd and constantly keeping track of dates, it's driving me mad. I've also been looking at holidays for the end of the year but we want to go back to Asia but can't book incase I'm pregnant....but we put the holiday on hold last year in case....argh!

Afternoon all - fantastic news Fankle congratulations!!!

Welcome to AnnieHoo, Karmanna and Irma.

Sorry, it's whinge time...

Is anyone else fed up of putting their lives on hold for this??? I've been looking at holidays in Lapland to book for this Xmas and I was almost sold on it, until I started seeing pics from my friend on Facebook who is currently in Orlando with her 4 year old DD. It looks amazing...

I'm looking at February next year (one week in half term, the other week not in half term - if we did the Easter holidays it would be £700 EACH extra - so I'm prepared to take the charge...).

But what's stopping me is that if I get PG between now and then the holiday will potentially be a nightmare, especially with my history of gestational diabetes!!!

I cannot believe I've started spotting at bloody 6DPO - really fed up!!! I really wish I didn't want another child.

DD said to me at the weekend 'I wish I lived at Oliver's house, it's boring here because he's got a sister and I haven't'. A little part of me broke when she said that. I would so love to give her what she wants, why can't I????

Ok rant over. Off to have a sob now and watch Frozen (which won't help at all!!!).

Back later in a better mood (I hope). xx

oh I like it here already InShock - great to meet someone with such a similar story. And yes you can ask me anything. I forgot to say I went back in October 2013, really frustrated that it was nearly a year since mc and that I'd been a bit neglected with the advice 'keep going'. It was a different young GP and she did the 21/28 day progesterone test on me again and that time they found I hadn't ovulated so they came to the conclusion that I had anovulatory cycles so I sometimes do but sometimes don't ovulate. They then referred me to the OB/GYN consultant who prescribed Clomid straight away. I was pretty shocked how readily he prescribed it. I am not convinced about the 21/28 day prog test... my cycles were up to 45 days long then so that doesn't seem like a conclusive way to decide whether to prescribe clomid or not. I was temping so think i was ovulating. Clomid regulated my cycles down to 28 days which I've never had before.

Welcome Annie Sorry to hear about your losses and amazed at how strong you sound. Your story is so similar to mine! I'm 40 and DP is 37, I like toyboys! :) We didn't meet until I was 35, we had some fun etc etc and decided to ttc in Jan 2013, fell pregnant straight away but had a mmc in March 2013, been ttc since June/July 2013, we've both had all the tests done, all ok, but no pregnancies since! I saw a fertility specialist in Oct 2013 who felt 4 months of ttc wasn't long enough and was confident I would conceive again so told to keep on trying. I'm off for another appointment soon but neither him nor my GP has offered me clomid as I'm OV every month. Do you mind me asking how did you manage to get prescribed it when all your tests are ok?