The Elderberry Pavlovas head into 2014 which will be full of ivf, berry babies and BFPs!!!  (thread 17)

rp, yep, I use the foam roller every morning!

Parsley hope today wasn't too bad.

tiger you can ovulate from 24 to 36 hours after a +opk. You can also have a surge but not ovulate. If you temped once and all was ok then there's no reason to think it's not. My cycles aren't regular so I like to monitor what's happening.

Not at all merk! I use opks, and other checks for signs of ovulation, and always have 14 days from a positive to af. Am I being too presumptious that this means I have 14 day LP?

and the list...

barkingtreefrog 34, Over 2 years ttc #1. Clomid bfp ended in mc. 4 months without cycles post mc, now returned thanks to acupuncture. FC for IVF referral in March.
parsley 32, 22 months ttc #1, au naturelle BFP cycle 18 ended in MMC at 11 weeks. 2nd cycle post MC, trying to stay positive!
Birdy 30, TTC around 26 cycles, waiting for IVF planning appt, should start ICSI March or May.
Lady 34, TTC since Jan 2012. Chemical with IVF#1, starting #2 in March hopefully
Happylass, holding on to 35 by the skin of my teeth, Cycle 14 - I'm back in the game!! Also waiting on FC appointment as follow up to HSG.
RevoltingPeasant 34, ttc 'properly' since May 2013, DH erectile dysfunction issues and me retro cervix, hopefully starting GP testing in March
tigerdog, 33, ttc for a year. Awaiting hsg appt with follow up scheduled in May.

Tiger if you've only temped one cycle how do you know you have a 14 day LP every cycle? (Sorry if that sounds provocative, its a genuine question)

hello everyone, hope you're all having a good sunday.

pip I hope you're ok, and well done for being so brave.

barking sorry to hear you are having a bit of a crap weekend of it. Time for a positive focus on the future and your wonderful wedding. It sounds as though you have worked so hard and put so much of yourself into making dresses etc - it can't fail to be amazing.

rp it must be tough coping with the ED issues as well as the usual madness of ttc, but don't give up - sperm can live for up to 6 days in the apparently!

Happy Birthday feather! You should enjoy yourself without feeling bad about it!

parsley hope you managed to get through the day. Its not quite as bad, but I am dreading a friend's baby shower in a couple of weeks. I guarantee that at least one person will ask when we are having kids, plus all the cooing and baby talk generally

Lol to the vagina jack birdy! I was curious!

So, to all those that temp, is it worth doing? I did it for a month, had a fairly standard looking chart and then OH got too annoyed with the early alarm and bleeping thermometer (although he would be much more sympathetic now) so I stopped. I have regular 28 day cycles (give or take a day) with a 14 day LP and tests have indicated that I ovulate, so not sure what additional benefits there are to temping - advice please?

Ooooh IT band nasty. I used to go on one of those foam rollers at the gym for ITB - really hurts but helps keep the kinks out. It is crappy, though.

I've had knee problems for years and do daily physio exercises to stretch and strengthen all the right muscles. The injury in December was tendon damage and inflamation where it connects to the muscle. The pain is now round by my it band though. I'm sure my physio can sort it out and it's probably partly to do with having had to rest it, as running actually helps keep the muscles strong and the knee caps stable. Debating whether to get on the turbo trainer or just not risk it in case it's still inflamed. The circuit training I did on Friday was all on my arms and gut as I avoided anything working the legs. Probably why I'm still in agony two days later!

Oh no :(

Is it the muscles over the knee? Because my physio once told me that many runners have knee injuries which are in fact related to overtight muscles pulling on tendons. She reckoned if you stretched out quads thoroughly it would help.

Knee injuries are a bastard though. Have you tried biking instead? Or aqua jogging if you can get a belt? Looks daft but would keep up fitness!

It's a knne injury, rp. I've been having physio and I thought it was sorted but this week it's started hurting in a different place and it's painful just walking a short loop of the park with the dog . I've not been able to run since Christmas.

Barking what's the injury? I have received amazing running injury treatment from local osteopath. What treatment have you had?

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RevoltingPeasant 34, ttc 'properly' since May 2013, DH erectile dysfunction issues and me retro cervix, hopefully starting GP testing in March

Thanks kuma, lady and parsley, I think I'm having a bad day because I'm still injured. Our wedding is in the middle of a weekend away in the hills. My consolation for not being pregnant was that I was going to be able to do a particular fell run that I've wanted to do for ages, and have all my friends with me. Now that's not going to happen either, and at my current rate of recovery I won't even be able to go for a decent walk and I'll be stuck in with the bumps. That's what's scaring me and fueling the not fair feelings for today!

barkingtreefrog 34, Over 2 years ttc #1. Clomid bfp ended in mc. 4 months without cycles post mc, now returned thanks to acupuncture. FC for IVF referral in March.
parsley 32, 22 months ttc #1, au naturelle BFP cycle 18 ended in MMC at 11 weeks. 2nd cycle post MC, trying to stay positive!
Birdy 30, TTC around 26 cycles, waiting for IVF planning appt, should start ICSI March or May.
Lady 34, TTC since Jan 2012. Chemical with IVF#1, starting #2 in March hopefully
Happylass, holding on to 35 by the skin of my teeth, Cycle 14 - I'm back in the game!! Also waiting on FC appointment as follow up to HSG.

barkingtreefrog 34, Over 2 years ttc #1. Clomid bfp ended in mc. 4 months without cycles post mc, now returned thanks to acupuncture. FC for IVF referral in March.
parsley 32, 22 months ttc #1, au naturelle BFP cycle 18 ended in MMC at 11 weeks. 2nd cycle post MC, trying to stay positive!
Birdy 30, TTC around 26 cycles, waiting for IVF planning appt, should start ICSI March or May.
Lady 34, TTC since Jan 2012. Chemical with IVF#1, starting #2 in March hopefully

Barking I agree with Kuma, the wedding day will fly by and will be even better if you can hide the fat cow in the kitchen while you're having fun.

Oh and Parsley good luck for today!!

barkingtreefrog 34, Over 2 years ttc #1. Clomid bfp ended in mc. 4 months without cycles post mc, now returned thanks to acupuncture. FC for IVF referral in March.

parsley 32, 22 months ttc #1, au naturelle BFP cycle 18 ended in MMC at 11 weeks. 2nd cycle post MC, trying to stay positive!

Birdy 30, TTC around 26 cycles, waiting for IVF planning appt, should start ICSI March or May.

Speculum! Yes it's called a speculum! - thanks Kuma (In my mind it was basically similar to a car jack) Anyway have looked into it more and don't think turkey basting will help us as DH morph is so bad that it will take ages anyway.

Kuma do you not use OPK's or temp? You may Ov earlier than usual but still have a normal luteal phase which may not be so bad. Hopefully the FC will figure it all out for you anyway!

Barking good to hear the adjuster works for you, they are not 100% and don't work for everyone. I know it is no comfort now, and you will feel the same about any baby you have, but the baby you have one day will never have existed if things had been different now. When you do finally have and hold your baby, you wouldn't want to change her for the world! (At least that's what I tell myself!)

Was talking to DH last night about the lengths we would go to financially to get pregnant, and it will be a struggle or it may completely cripple us, but we will do what ever it takes to get PG. The chances are that it WILL happen within 3 cycles, and so I am telling myself that this year I WILL get pregnant and have a baby. And that has made me pretty darn happy.

Birdy 30, TTC around 26 cycles, waiting for IVF planning appt, should start ICSI March or May

Definitely agree with kuma, your wedding is all about you and Mr Barking, other people's bumps won't even register. It will be amazing, promise!

Is a list being compiled? Here are my stats
parsley 32, 22 months ttc #1, au naturelle BFP cycle 18 ended in MMC at 11 weeks. 2nd cycle post MC, trying to stay positive!

Hi feather I'm still here just lurking; I rarely get time to sit at my laptop and post and I find trying to type on the phone app a real pain. Anyway, CD 4 here; AF did arrive last week, my last four cycles have been 23, 27, 23 and 23 days. Cycles were always short, about 26/27 days but this is really annoying. I wonder if it is psychological as its the last 4 months that I have been having tests an getting bad results. Either that or my body has just given up. I read on the internet that really short cycles could be anovulatory, which isn't what we want..... Anyway, NHS follow up appointment to get test results is Thursday and private FC appointment a week on Monday so I may get some answers, even if they aren't good ones.

vagina jack made me laugh - a speculum, I assume

Good luck today parsley I hope it isn't too emotionally draining.

barking sorry you are feeling blue ; your wedding will be wonderful. You will spend the whole day having fun, you will have no time to think about bumps and it will fly by so fast that you will wish you could do it all over again. I'm sure the other married Berries will back me up on this one.

Sending berry vibes for today parsley.

My mate just sent a text to say she's going to be 'too fat for fun activities' at the wedding so would volunteer to help in the kitchen. I'm now crying just at the mention of her bump. I need to get a grip or I'm going to have a miserable wedding. I wish I'd had the miscarriage before we got engaged, I'm really struggling to forget the 7 month bump I would have had, and it seems to be making me react unreasonably towards the bumps that will be there.

Someone please wang me with a sausage .

Oh, and I'm symptom spotting at 4dpo. Bloody ridiculous.

barkingtreefrog 34, Over 2 years ttc #1. Clomid bfp ended in mc. 4 months without cycles post mc, now returned thanks to acupuncture. FC for IVF referral in March.

My mind is boggling at the concept of a 'vagina jack' - please explain to stop my horrible imaginings!

barking the pain means you worked hard and have probably earned a lie in and maybe a bacon sarnie....

Family party for my Dad's birthday today - SIL with 'my' bump will be there and my extended family don't know about my MC, so mentally preparing for lots of and as she is cooed over all afternoon.

bluebirdy thanks for that, I used it on the two freak results on sundays (I refuse to set an alarm for a Sunday unless I need to) and my chart looks even better now!
I can't adjust the others as I didn't temp at 4am, didn't think there was any point, but now you've shown me that I will take my temp whenever I wake up (4.40 this morning) to use the adjuster on later, and take my temp again when I wake on the alarm and compare the two.

I can't move this morning. Circuit training on Friday night was intense. I can't cough, laugh or turn over in bed without letting out a little squeal of pain!

I think it's a bit late now feather, the strange bit about my chart was that FF has me Ov'ing on the same day I had the +opk, rather than 24 to 36 hours later, so there was no warning (and it was 5-7 days earlier than ever before so really wasn't expecting it!)

A 3 day birthday is my kind of birthday .