The Brookers will get their BFP's by any means necessary, thats the definition of Brooking No Argument!

Good luck today Geek- hope it's going well. Good luck for your poorly boiler too- hope it gets fixed nice and quickly!

Brrr Geek. Good luck today lovely. Hope the appointment goes well and that give you a better idea of when you can start stimming. 2014 is going to be a good year for the brookers. I can feel it in my waters

Morning brookers!

Well, today's the day round 2 starts for me, though it will be a bloody long round. They hope to start me on stims early to mid January, I may know more after today's appointment.

fox I have my first injection of down regulators (drs or down regs) today, to shut my system down and put me in a false menopause before they start giving me drugs to stimulate my ovaries to produce eggs.

Had to test this morning, BFN obvs. No sign of AF though - trust her to decided to screw me over one last time. Did a CBFM stick, too, like I used to do when I was due, and the oestrogen line is pretty high. It's normally quite dark for a couple of days before AF is due to land.

Boiler repair guy is coming back at midday today (just hope I'm back from the clinic in time!) and reckons it will take at least 5 hours to fix, but that it is fixable. Yes, very very cold here though nowhere near as bad as it could have been. Lots of jumpers, socks and slippers being brought into play by me. MrG hasn't actually noticed that it's cold because he's a hardy northerner with a constitution of an ox and is still wandering around in shirt sleeves (and sometimes even shirtless!!!)

scarlett I hope you enjoyed your nandos and it's made you feel a little better. I can only imagine how draining ivf is, and hope your cycles settle down

musical I hope the cramping is something positive for you

cake get dtd!!

geek what is going on for you tomorrow? Sorry if I've missed something but hope all goes smoothly tomorrow and hope your get the boiler sorted! It's so cold!!

Geek Brooking like mad for you tomorrow. Rubbish indeed about your boiler. Are lots of jumpers in force there at the moment? :)

Good to know about ovulation twinges. I don't think I've experienced them before - or not noticed them. I'm feeling a bit odd generally - think it's my body going "She's giving us a chance! GO GO GO!". I hope so at least.

Maybe think the window would be even more interesting during pregnancy!

I will be thinking of you lovely Geek. Brooking like billio that the side effects steer clear of GeekTowers. That sucks about the boiler. It's so bloody cold.

I also wish we could have a window into our insides Musical! Brooking things return to normal soon

Cold, maybe, but that's because I have a knackered boiler Bit nervous about tomorrow tbh but I'll get over it. Mostly scared for if/when the side effects hit me. I've heard it can take at least a month with prostap though.

too Hope you are not reading this because you and MrT are far too busy doing other things

musical I hope you and MrM are also getting acquainted with each other my first twinges each month are around ovulation time.

Scarlett I hope the Nandos has helped. And the wine. Lots of hugs your way. So many hormones in your body, as Geek says :(

Too early for implantation Too I'm sure!

They're a bit better, but still feel rather odd Maybe. Wish I had some sort of way of knowing what's going on in there..

Feeling rather AF-y, but no sign as of yet. Perhaps ovulation? So clueless..

Oh Scarlett lovely. I'm sorry you're feeling shite. Hope that wine and chicken hits the spot x

Good news that AF has gone Cake. Get thee to the bedroom or kitchen, lounge

Musical how are those cramps?

How you feeling now Geek lovely?

(((Massive hugs))) to scarlett my cycles went a bid mad after IVF too. I hope they settle down for you soon, it might just need a little more time after the mega-high hormone doses you had on your last round xxx

I'm sorry to hear you are feeling so down scarlett I hope your wine and nandos helps... I bloody love nandos :)
if you hadn't tried ivf at all I guess you might wondering 'what if'? Might your cycles settle back down eventually?

Hope the cramping is something positive happening musical!

AF has buggered off so time to get dtd-ing soon, hope my lurgy gets better before I have to subject DH to all the snot bit of an over share...!

The thing is too before IVF all my cycles were textbook 27/28 days. Between the 2 IVF cycles they all dropped to 26, then since the 2nd one earlier this year they have been 30/25/36/37/28/24 & now this one I'm cd34 and counting.

There are days I wish I'd never tried IVF, all it's done is fuk me up mentally and physically with nothing to show for it At the end

Anyway the plus side is I must be due on any day if I'm this grumpy! I'm so bad OH is buying me Nandos takeaway for tea!

Sorry am very mememe at the moment, I think I need wine with my nandos

Hope you are all ok and in better moods than me

Surely not, Scarlett! My cycles were ranging from 30-37 days in the last few months and I'm only just 30. Mum's 47 and hasn't been through the menopause yet so I don't think there can be any connection.

at Geek and Scarlett and the names. I knew a girl at school whose surname was Wanklin. Unsurprisingly she changed it by deedpoll when she turned 18!

Brooking that Musical's crampiness has a reason! implantation

Oooh that's good to know Geek, thanks! I should be able to manage that. at that name!

Far how wonderful to see you! Hope all is going well with you?

Scarlett, I'm sure the longer cycles are nothing to worry about. Brooking that you find out what your body's up to soon though.
Very crampy here this afternoon/evening. AF? Ovulating? Only time will tell I guess.. would be happy with either. Would just be nice to know something's going on in there

Joins in with sniggers. I once temped for a guy called Barry Mycock, middle name John. So the cheque book said BJ Mycock. Kept me sniggering all through the summer holidays every time we did a cheque run

My body has gone skitz again, cd33 today, BFN this mourning though brookers so don't go getting your hopes up, I'm not. In fact just the opposite, i have been drinking red wine with gay abandon to keep out the cold donchaknow

Pretty sure longer cycles mean onset of the dreaded change ffs I'm only 36

Just popping in with some Champagne to congratulate all the brooker BFPs, yay!!!

fox ahhh that's so lovely! You must have a will of steel to not tell him before he asked about the stick though, and very wd on not telling your mum when she asked about the next steps, too!

good luck with your announcement too :)

musical I have very disturbed sleep due to insomnia. I find as long as I take my temp at the same time each day (give or take 10 mins or so) it gives me a pretty accurate overview. This only works if you haven't eaten/drunk anything/brushed your teeth/spoken in the last five minutes or so though, so still may be impractical for you with your lo.

My CBFM auction ended today. I just had to share that it was won by someone with the surname of 'Cumming'. I know, I know, we are all adults and are above being amused by names. But still.

Cake - nope! None of them like me! I was going to temp this time round, but have decided it's pointless - if I remember correctly you need to take your temperature after something like 5hrs uninterrupted sleep? I seem to remember struggling to do it last time, let alone now with a teething DD waking me up! So I'm just using them for a few notes at the moment.. and will pay more attention to them once AF has paid a visit and I have some idea what's going on inside my body. I've also been good and not bought any sticks - I have one in the house . I am on a mission to see if I can find any CBD on offer at some point though, to add a couple to my rather pathetic collection...

Would be quite nice to know what my body's doing mind. Have felt quite crampy on and off for the last couple of days - ovulating? AF imminent? No clue..

Aww telling them will be exciting Too! I haven't imagined how we'll do it yet. DH today was using foam letters to spell things on the bath today - he spelt out Mummy and Daddy, DD's name, the cats' names, and then put "Bump" - which I thought would make a rather good photo! Told him it was a bit preemptive though. Bless him, he's very into it this time round, which is very sweet but I worry about him getting his hopes up too quickly!

Getting PG around this time must be tricky - all the Christmas and NY events to negotiate while alcohol free!

Should stop having fun on MN and get back to my huge amount of work..

Well done on taking the relaxed approach and not weeing on anything cake

Let us know how it goes telling your family too! Bet they'll be so excited! We're only going to tell parents and siblings now, then might end up telling close friends before the 12 week mark due to Xmas and New Years.

How's everyone else?

Oh how sweet, Fox! Bet your parents will be over the moon. I'm probably going to tell my mum and sister in a couple of weeks because we have a big family party planned and it would be v obvious that I wasn't drinking. I suppose I should ring Dad after that and tell him too...I did intend to wait until after my scan and preferably nuchal test but I don't think it's going to be practical waiting that long. And we'll have to tell PIL when we go down for Christmas, I expect. Assuming that DH managed to keep his trap shut today and didn't tell BIL when they met for coffee!

really lovely update Fox :) it will be great telling your parents, especially as they know that you had just been for your tests and everything, i'm sure they'll be ecstatic for you

cups how is your 8th week going? do you have plans for your week of leave?

musical have you managed to get a charting app to make sense yet? I'm not charting yet this time round I wanted to take a hands off approach but Mr Cake has already been looking at ordering opk's and pg tests on eBay. I have been really good so far though and not wee'd on anything

Aww how lovely Fox :-) How exciting about telling your parents soon too. AF won't turn up in the next week, so all will be fine :-)

Sounds like your ds is going to have a wonderful 16th boo! How lovely!

MrF is very pleased! I did as planned (although had to wait for what seemed like ages before he mentioned sticks!!) and he seemed so shocked bless him! He doesn't want to get too excited yet in case something goes wrong, but we've been talking about it non stop. He said he didn't mind that I told my brother first, and he agreed if I'd told him while he was away he would've probably let it slip to his friends

I think we're going to wait another week if we can before telling parents to make sure AF doesn't show as then it'll probably feel more real

Boo, that all sounds lovely!