The Elderberry Pavlovas- All aboard the Berrycopter. Thread 14

Thanks boodle and yorkie but I'm losing faith very quickly. Googled to find some reassurance that there could possibly still be hope, but all the 'normal' blood they talk about is spotting and/or brown coloured with little or no pain. Yesterday was heavy, red blood with clots, and the pain is varied but overall not getting better, still painful enough that I'm hugging the wheat bag to my stomach and not comfortable walking around. Then I found this: "If you notice fresh, red blood with clots, possibly accompanied by pain, this can signal the start of a miscarriage." Not exactly the reassurance I was looking for .

thanks for the nudge barking! Can't pretend I have any idea what you're going through but we're all here for you if you need us . I did actually pimp although it was technically pointless as I'd had 2 pints of tea by that point!

boodle this bit is so annoying isn't it? The 'am I?, aren't I?' bit. We all deserve a break after these years of ttc, don't we?! X

Barking, I'm so sorry you're stuck in this state of limbo. I really hope that the cramps and bleeding disappear very soon and that this is just a bit of your body settling in and adjusting.

Sid, sorry about your disappointing appointment. I've not had any private appointments (yet) but I can relate to the 'not-very-helpful' nature of your NHS experience, that's for sure.

Yorkie, you sound like you need to take your mind off it. Anywhere you can go to do something for the evening? Failing that, get drunk and pass out

I'm starting to feel the mildest of twinges every so often. I think AF is hitting the snooze button, but she's definitely stirring. Sulk.

Oh barking so sorry to read about what you're going through at the moment. You poor thing. Hope your DP is looking after you. I completely agree the not knowing and waiting is the worst thing. Thinking about you and got everything crossed for you on Thursday x

kitty I can't believe you didn't pimp!!
Get back on that yellow brick road! ^^

sid sorry you didn't find the appointment useful. It's strange she couldn't even tell you the guidelines for IVF eligibility. I hadn't heard anything about clomid making you put weight on, and I actually lost weight the month I started taking it. Given you're only taking 5 tablets a month it would seem unlikely, but maybe it does something to your hormones that affects weight? I wouldn't worry about it too much. My consultant said clomid was very unlikely to work for me as I was already ovulating, but it's all a numbers game, and clomid will boost ovulation and give you a tiny percentage more chance, so it's always worth a go. Just wish clomid could make them stick as well .

I've had cramps and bleeding for 4 days now, although the bleeding is nowhere near as bad as it was last night when it was bright red and full of clots, the cramps have got worse again. Fed up and want it all to stop. Finding it difficult to remain positive but don't want to believe all hope is gone either. I know unexplained bleeding is very common and often the pg continues without further problems, but the bad cramps, and the fact that I've had them for 4 days now, is not helping me build a plausible, positive picture. I'm still terrified about the scan on Thursday, and what might happen next if it's bad news. It's the not knowing what's going on in there that's so difficult .

sid sorry to hear nhs appt wasn't as positive as private. sounds like private could be the way to go for speed and action.

Anyone able to give me a dose of optimism please as it seems to have gone AWOL ? I've got my 2nd fc appt tomorrow morning and I'm freaking out today. sid NHS appt doesn't give me much hope either for getting any conclusion about what is going on,

I'm waiting on my 2nd fsh test results and petrified they're going to be higher than my first high results meaning I'll be refused treatment on NHS. Literally shaking and stomach churning about it all. Need to calm myself down somehow.

sid I didn't gain weight with 4 rounds of clomid. Can't recall anyone else saying it either so would just eat healthy , take regular exercise and wouldn't worry about it. I do wish they'd told me the clomid prob wouldn't work as I had so much further to fall when it didn't!

Got told off for not being optimistic today so promise to start skipping (down the yellow brick road) once I've a a snooze on the pouffe of possibility

any1 ever bleed during ov?

Kitty fx crossed for you bigtime!

thunder congrats on your scan; saw the photo & it brought a tear (or two, or a hundred) to my eye, so happy for you

Barking how are you today? I think you made the right choice by staying in.

NHS intake appt yesterday was vastly different from the private one Monday: alone in the waiting room surrounded by posters of babies being breastfed and adverts for pg yoga and parenting classes. The nurse was 30min behind but very friendly and said she wished all her patients were like me bc I was so organized and came prepared Basically she said the intake appt is to set up all remaining necessary tests and then arrange an appt with a consultant. Since I've had all the major tests, all she wants done is CD2-3/CD21 bloods redone, and SA redone, and can call in for an appt in early October.
I told her we're working with a private consultant & described the 2 rounds of clomid/onto IVF plan, and she said it was understandable although she couldn't definitively tell me that we were not eligible for NHS IVF due to existence of SKs. (which was aggravating).

She did say that Clomid isn't really for ladies like me who are regular and are ovulating, and kept referring to "when you get your period" and "when the Clomid doesn't work" which kind of felt like a kick in the teeth, even if that's how it's likely to go. Not really sure the point of making a consultant's appt but I suppose if we can get any applicable tests done/redone before going for IVF then that will be helpful.

She also said Clomid has a side effect of weight gain, but wouldn't say how much helpful. So, has anyone experienced this? I'm back to the gym tomorrow as she's put the fear in me that I'll pile it on and somehow get above the max BMI. I asked her if it was typically 1/2 stone, 1 stone, 2 stone, 3 stone etc and the most specific she'd get was that it wasn't usually 3 stone.

Actually the more I think about it, my conclusion is she was very nice and competent at the intake stuff but not as competent as she should've been on detailed stuff, which she brought up (I didn't ask about Clomid side effects), so I left there more confused and less optimistic than I went in.

Kitty, your bloke sounds just like mine. We went for a little walk earlier and it was a mammoth task to get him out the house for it!

Decided not to test this morning. I'm really not feeling it this month and my temps look like they might be on a downwards trend now.

Tbh neither do I normally!!! Will keep my big fat trap shut in future! Try to convince him to come for a walk (for uterine blood flow enhancing) but anyone would think I've asked him to poke his eyes out!!!

Oh kitty that is a disappointment to all of us! We love a bit of pimping!

I never tell OH when I'm pimping to be honest.

I have to say I'm in the 'wait until AF is late' gang so I never PIMP (unless it's an opk) because I never get that far

Thanks prof merk I guess I should expect AF Friday then, UGH that seems so far away!

Oh dear kitty

Kitty my DP is exactly the same. Tells me that I'm jinxing things by pimping early (as if) and he doesn't get that it's better just to know rather than spending days wondering am I or aren't I? so I just do it anyway and don't tell him unless he specifically asks

Well Dh had a winge that I was going to pimp today so haven't as yet so missed my fmu should have just done it anyway he's basically building everything up for wed now. He doesn't get that pimping early actually eases the shock of the bfn grr!!!! Sorry rant over!

Morning. Any news Kitty? Did you PIMP? (Or should that be PIYP? Would be weird if you'd peed in my pot!)

Assuming O on day 12, AF on day 28, LP is 15 days
Assuming O on day 13, AF on day 29, LP is 15 days
This cycle, assuming you Od on day 17, 17 + 15 = 32, so would guess AF on day 33

Ah! I usually get a positive one evening and the next day in the morning.

Another question then wise ones, So last few months I have had +opk on days 12/13 and 13/14 with a 27/28 day cycle, this month + was on days 17 and 18, how long will my cycle be do you think?
Am wondering when to expect AF! If 28 days then AF due Monday but I guess it will be more like end of the week?

Sorry if I'm being a thicko!

Bunny ovulation is 18 to 36 hours on average after the peak of LH. So if you get 2 positives I would assume your peak was the middle of those two, then ovulation will happen approx (middle of the average) 18 hours later.
So... If you got +Ives mon and tue morning I would assume peak Monday eve and O on tue eve/wed morn. It's why i found temping helpful as it helped me to understand the average time from my +Ive OPK to O (for me at least 24 hours)

I count it as the day after a positive OPK.

Question, what do you count ovulation day as, first day you get +opk? What if you get + 2 days in a row?

I've PMed you, Pip, thank you.

Nope, definitely not just you, Bunny! We're always bickering about little stuff. Very rarely have big arguments though, which suits me fine!

Kitty, my cycle buddy, good luck if you test tomorrow. I'm 12 DPO today so testing tomorrow is tempting but after last month's bitter disappointment I don't think I can be bothered. Also, I think I'm more like 11.5 DPO tomorrow as fertility friend tottered between ovulation at CD13 and CD 14. (It went for 13 when I put in my +OPK.)