The Elderberry Pavlovas- All aboard the Berrycopter. Thread 14

barking so sorry you feel so down. If it is a mc you have plenty of us on here that know exactly how you're feeling and how you're going to feel and we're with your every step of the way. The best advice I can give is to deal with one day at a time. You're in limbo land at the moment not knowing what the hell is going on and waiting for an appt. Not knowing is the worst for me I think because you're not in control in the situation and you don't know how to move forward. Whatever, happens tomorrow you'll have a better idea of what the hell is happening. As I said we're here for you and can understand how you're feeling x

thunder it's going to cost around £600 for private fc consultant with an afc and monitored cycle. Gulp!

I think I'm going to try and sell my wedding dress to put towards it!

Sorry kitty

No better here. More blood & clots, more cramps, same old.. Scared myself silly when I realised I could potentially be bleeding like this for another 3 weeks. Realisation dawned today that I'm 99% likely to be miscarrying right now. Can't stop crying . The idea of pimping in a couple of weeks for a bfn to check it's all gone is so depressing after it took 22 cycles to get a bfp. And I really wish I hadn't eagerly worked out my predicted due date, it's branded across my mind already. I also need to get rid of the images in my head of me with a bump on my wedding day. I'm basically driving myself insane and feel like I'm speeding down a hill with no brakes, just waiting for the inevitable crash.

Those of you who've been here, how the hell did you pull yourself out of it?

kitty sorry you got a bfn. It's not over yet though and I've still got your fx for you for the next two cycles though.

Thanks for your advice ladies. kitty I had a scan done in 2010 which showed multicystic ovaries but two done this year with no mention of it so no it hasn't been confirmed recently but shown in the past. NHS want to do another two months testing fsh and day 21 levels and want to see me again in after two cycles time to discuss how I've responded to clomid. I asked the consultant if they would monitor (do a scan) me on clomid and he said nah!

In the meantime I think I will definitely have the private monitored cycle and they can also do the afc as another ovarian reserve check. I agree kitty I think the monitored cycle is important as I've read with multicystic ovaries you could be more susceptible to OHSS. The nhs consultant talked to me about this and scared the hell out of me!

How are you doing today barking?

I'm good thanks Happy, no idea when the job starts but not until I get my registration through, so October at the earliest I should think.

Yorkie sadly that sounds so similar to my last FC appt. It seems to me that on the NHS you aren't allowed to question any arbitrary decisions made by power-mad consultants! And the right hand never seems to know what the left is doing. Of course it depends on cost, but I do think if you can afford private then you stand a much better chance of success. Isn't it ironic, I spent months trying to get clomid and they wouldn't give me any, but they hand it out like sweeties to anyone it probably won't work for! I hope your private clinic at least manages to clear up some of the confusion for you x

Kitty stupid ic not giving the answer you wanted. What cd are you now? It ain't over til it's over!

Bunny have some and for your anniversary! Sorry you're feeling low, will the husband do something nice to cheer you up later do you think?

Just a thought- how does private fc cost compare with private ivf? It might be that either way you want to save your money towards private ivf if that's going to be more likely to be successful? Depends how private fc is likely to help you I think.

Sorry to add more questions!

yorkie have you had a trans vaginal scan to confirm multicystic ovaries? Will the fc at least monitor your progesterone on clomid. Personally, in hind sight of previous clomid and multicystic ovaries I would pay for at least 1 cycle with scans. I wasn't monitored and they now feel that I had 2 many non dominant follicles on clomid but we'll obviously never know.

yorkie sorry for the further confusion. It sounds like standard NHS treatment though unfortunately. 6 months unmonitored on clomid then a further referral. No interest in anything you have to say as you've probably just been googling (pretty much what the consultant said to me).

Hope the private clinic get back to you and are more knowledgeable.

boodle you're not out just yet! Temps aren't that reliable!

barking any better?

Well I pimped with a ic this morning and the usual result. Will keep going until the fat lady sings. Although I knew it was a slim chance the iui would work, I'm glad we've tried it (still 2 to go). At least we can say that ivf is definitely the way forward

Oh gosh yorkie more confusion was exactly what I was hoping would be AVOIDED by this appointment! Damnit. How annoying. BUT it's not terrible news as you feared, so that's one good thing.

I'm really sorry that I can't offer any good advice on what should actually be the next steps/impact of clomid but I reckon you should go for the private appointment. Can the private advice supersede the NHS one and still get you on the list for ivf if appropriate? It sounds like they are much more helpful than the NHS one in terms of doing the tests and giving you real information that you can actually understand and work with.

oh and thanks so much for all your good luck messages. It really helped when I was sat in the waiting room looking at pg ladies and shaking with fear!

Hi barking hope you managed to get some sleep last night and have the boxsets/good tv lined up for today. I'm around
working from home if you need someone to chat to.

So sorry af got you boodle

So got back from my fc appt and still as confused as ever unfortunately. My fsh levels came back as 11 which is slightly lower than my last lot but still higher than they want to see. My hsg was all clear and my progesterone is slightly low - its 27 and they like to see over 30. Anyway, they hadn't bloody seen the letter I sent through to them about my amh so had to go through that with them. So up until that point my fsh was worrying, then as soon as he saw the amh he suddenly dismissed my fsh saying that amh is more accurate (but they don't do do the tests on the nhs) and the results show decent levels suggesting okay ovarian reserve. I tried to mention about the private consultant suggesting that it could be a sign of multicystic ovaries masking my true amh but this was dismissed out of hand.

So, the consultant wants me to go on clomid for 6 months which doesn't fill me with confidence considering my fsh levels. I've read that it can raise your fsh levels and my ovarian reserve is only going to get worse not better. He won't monitor me and I have to do it for 6 months before I will be even considered for ivf referral. He also said that in the meantime my fsh could go up and the cut off for nhs is 15 meaning I would be refused nhs ivf treatment if it was higher than this. It's amazing how one minute the fsh levels are irrelevant when I presented them with my amh figure but as soon as referrals are mentioned fsh suddenly becomes so much more important again! Basically I have to jump through a load of hoops to be referred and there is the possibility of not getting any referral at the end of it.

Anyway, the nurse at the private consultation we had suggested having a antral follicle count to get a better indication of reserve and a monitored cycle to see if multicystic ovaries are causing any problems. This obviously is going to cost alot of money but I think I need to do this as I'm so confused about what the hell is going on. I have just rung up the private clinic and waiting for them to call me back as they need to check if I can have the afc and monitored cycle done if I am on clomid.

Sorry for the long winded response. I don't know how I feel about this all and whether playing the nhs waiting game is going to cause more harm than good. Any advice oh wise berries?

Boom great to see you. How's things? Have you started the new job yet?

Hi all

Just popping in to see how everyone is, missing you guys up in the copter! Can echo Thunder's promise that pram chat is vile strictly a no-go area!

Who is pimping today? Kitty, Bunny?? Good luck!

Boodle sorry this wasn't your month

Is your appt today Yorkie? Hope it goes well!

Rum this here courgette and lime cake....recipe?! In return, I have brought my slightly less exciting offer of warm scones with clotted cream, made for an afternoon tea hen party (don't ask) this afternoon!

And a massive wave to all that I haven't name checked!

I am v jealous of your aofa

Morning!

barking there isn't much more for me to say other than us berries are here for you x

Bad merk !

Oh boodle that's crappy! I will probably be joining you by the end of the week!

Heading from the duvet of despair to the desk of depression today, not quite where I thought life would be on our second anniversary

An afoa is like a sofa but better, in case anyone was wondering.

Yes Happy, day 5 on the aofa watching murder mysteries and trying to get some knitting done as the last 4 days have taught me lesson planning doesn't happen just by having the laptop open on your knee all day with the relevant documents ready

Barking how are you feeling today? Hope you are going to stay at home and rest. Glad to hear scan has been brought forward. Thinking of you x

Boodle do crashing temps definitely rule you out?

kitty have you pimped?!

yorkie good luck

I'm on day 5 of bleeding and cramps. Called epu and they've brought my scan forward again to tomorrow morning at 9.

Sorry Boodle. Probably a bit early for but have some

Kitty??

Oh crap sorry boodle. Rubbish rubbish rubbish.

blind good luck for testing today?

yorkie loads of luck for the appointment. We're all with you!

bunny thank you . There will be no baby talk from me. The thought of talking about prams made me feel like I might be a bit sick in my mouth.

for barking

No testing for me. Crashing temps and spotting. It's game over. Good luck to others.

yorkie good luck for today bud

barking really hope you're feeling better today