The Elderberry Pavlovas- All aboard the Berrycopter. Thread 14

Merk, not Met. Am outside and freezing!!

Met today is 12dpo for me if the dr & I are correct in thinking I ov'd on cd13. All other months in the past, I believed I ov'd on cd15-16 and lp was 12 days religiously. So either AF will show up any moment now (can't make my day any worse) or will turn up by week's end, and I'll have to wonder if I actually did Ov on day 13, or if suddenly i have a longer l phase. It's all soon my head in. Symptom spotting is not much fun when you didn't DTD much during the month and ivf is looming closer and closer.

Yorkie once I get home and get some headspace I'll let you know my thoughts on your appt, but for now, grrrr. This was the private appointment, right?

Thanks Barking - read a bit above, stay strong.

I fit the brief to the letter, early 30s, special pot, special syringe and pot for the tired times, 2 yrs trying etc etc etc

This cycle is a pain in the arse, pun intended. I have no idea whats happening, no idea where I am despite BBT and OPKs, and am now in the weird zone of wanting AF to appear so I know where I am.

Been on all the usual vits, plus L-arginine, VitB6 100mg, Q10, Royal Jelly, Bee Pollen, Pregnacare, Agnus Castus, Dong Quai (for 2 weeks, didnt feel it was right) but now am worried I was taking so much, it was conflicting, so stripped it right back.

Each wipe at the moment is like a colour chart comparison, brown or red, jelly or dish watery - and the occasional spotting

I am very fat though so clearly, this is my pennance for liking the junk food too much

Finding it hard to remember the mornings of waking up and not having my first thought as 'wonder what my cervix is like this morning: !

Barking at that parent! I hope you told her it wasn't all about her feelings, but, shock! horror! about what you as an experienced professional thought was the most appropriate way to support her child. What a fuckwit.

That probably doesn't help but that sort of ridiculous PA comment makes me so cross. It's totally irrelevant to a professional situation.

Just take care of yourself - can't say anything more useful than that :(

Hello arse nice to see a newbie but sorry you find yourself here iyswim.

yorkie would the clomid potentially cause a lasting issue or just potentially cause a raise that cycle? If it's just a case of jumping through the hoops and won't do any long term damage I'd jump through the hoops for the free IVF (but it depends on your financial situation, private wouldn't be an option for me right now but if I had the money available I probably would).

I have had a really shit day at work. At one point I was talking to a parent who didn't agree with the ability group I had placed her child in. After a prolonged conversation she tried the line 'do you have children?' as me having no offspring of my own clearly meant I couldn't understand how she felt about her precious child no longer being in the top group.

Didn't cope well with bump in assembly, snapped at my lovely class and didn't even enjoy my favourite lesson. Left school in tears. Called the doctor who said they used to have a miscarriage support service but it went in the cuts. He said any counselling he could arrange would take ages and anyway it was very early days and perfectly normal that I didn't feel like I was coping. He asked if I needed more time off work. Given I was sobbing in my car in the school playground I said yes. He's signed me off for the rest of the week. Took me over an hour to stop crying.
Still really upset about DPs best mate & wife. Feels so cruel when we see them so often. It's not confirmed yet but she's just turned down another race because her leg still hurts (the reason she's given for missing every race since June). Yet she could dance at the wedding and wear massive heels....

I'm a self pitying mess and don't even know what I'm going to do with myself at home, just know I can't go into work .

kitty sorry I missed you off. I read about your spotting and can only reiterate that brown spotting is normal. Hope you're okay.

Good afternoon ladies.

Sorry to read about your nightmare weekend barking. I can thoroughly recommend counselling but there is probably a bit of a waiting list on the nhs. I go privately and really recommend it.

Thanks so much for the good luck messages yesterday and this morning. Had a nightmare journey to the fc this morning as the trains were all delayed. Made it with a minute to spare till my appt but was supposed to arrive half an hour before to complete forms etc. which raised my anxiety levels and teariness even before I'd stepped into the appt.

Sooo still confused about the whole thing as got different messages yet again. This time the woman said my fsh levels were worrying and to dismiss my amh saying they were known to be notoriously inaccurate. Then in the next sentence said they didn't really look at blood test results and it was all about the age of the woman. At this point I burst into tears and she just stared not really knowing what to do. DH was getting frustrated because we asked what she recommended and she wouldn't give us an answer, just saying well you could try this and you could try that...She did say that she didn't think clomid would be good for me because it makes your body work even harder and the fsh results suggest they are doing that anyway and it can also artifically raise your fsh which is what I was concerned about.

Anyway, what we have decided to do is have stimulated iui next cycle. We know the chances of success are low but I wanted a monitored cycle anyway and it only cost a bit more to have iui. Then they can see what my afc is and how my body responds to stimulation (using gonal f). Apparently, my DH's sperm sample is not too great as well when nhs have said it was fine so that's another problem to add to the mix but they can look at that when doing the iui. After that we'll decide where to go next but she's obviously pushing ivf for us through that clinic. She did suggest ivf egg sharing as an option where I could get it for free but that would depend on my next amh (suddenly becomes important again!) as to whether that would suitable for me and I would have to get it done before I reach 36 years of age (march next year)

I would appreciate your advice on the nhs side ladies. I don't want to take clomid after hearing her thoughts but don't want to close off the nhs route as we could get 3 free ivf goes if my fsh stays below 15. Shall I just not take it, go for the progesterone and fsh tests and pretend that I have taken it at my next appt or have the iui and then take the clomid if it's not successful for my next two cycles before my appt in December? My head feels like it wants to explode at the moment and I am very The other thing is writing a letter to my nhs trust expressing my concerns about the treatment that has been given to me considering my fsh levels.

Sorry for the longwinded message and thanks again for your lovely good luck messages. bunny & happy hope your appt is straightforward tomorrow and later on this week!

Temp dropped off this am, feeling decidedly PMSy today (there is not enough chocolate in the WORLD), boo to hopes of a cheeky pre-IVF diff!

Never mind. I'm sure by the time AF is in full flow tomorrow I'll be excited to finally be starting my IVF cycle.

Hope today's FC appt is going well!

Merk sorry, didn't know my OV date was earlier: just assumedly. Stupidly! Will link to chart when I am home with my ipad. Thank you for answering all my questions :)

AF is pretty definitely on the way.............

Sid is your LP always 15 days?

RP I will keep you company in your pity pool; I'm imagining that it's got dead bugs floating in it and perhaps the odd ciggie butt or two, and overlooks an amazing infinity pool where ladies with gorgeous bumps are sipping virgin mojitos while their husbands give them foot rubs as they come up with a list of baby names.

hello arse! Couldn't agree with you more. This is shit, totally. Although I'm not desirous of other people's children - I want our child, and I just wish the effing stork would hurry up!!

Hello hello just put a thread up and read this and i fit the bill EXACTLY :(

JUST WANT TO RANT THAT AFTER BEING 'GOOD' and getting a career and doing everything not to get pregnant - it is a pile of shite that this now becomes hard when I do want to get pregnant

Nice to see others!

Oh and you can get the link to your chart from the FF app. On the calendar/data view you will find a button called More Details. Click that the click share/email chart, then click email chart link. I'd email the link to yourself and test it works first, but if it does then you can just copy and paste it here

RP I'm not thinking about that either!
Would love a look at your chart. Can I ask how you knew you normally ovulated earlier if you haven't been charting previously?

Thank you Merk! Will do.

I am not thinking at all about the tiny, tiny, infinitesimal chance that I could be pg. Not at all.

RP you can log into their website with the same details you use from the app and get a link to share your chart from there. FX AF stays away at least a few days and you just ovulated late this month as an exception

Oh, and Merk thanks for your wisdom, as always! I take my temp religiously at 7am every morning, sometimes 6.30/ 6.45 if I need to get up earlier but that hasn't been the case the last few days. I do it whilst I'm still in bed and then input the temps directly into FF.

Only I use FF as an app on my ipad so don't know if it is visible to others.....??

Merk, Sid, happy -- thanks :)

Merk, I fear I do have a short LP but the reason I think that is because my cycles are almost always 26 days - sometimes 27 but v v rarely longer. So that's pretty much a given, and I've been tracking them for over a year now. Always therefore assumed OV around CD12 or 13, but now, tracking my temps properly for the first time, I can see it's more like CD17 - hence fear of short LP :(

I have not pimped because due to my miscalculations, we DTD too early this month. I don't think it was within my fertile window. Also I have no symptoms of pg and some symptoms of AF coming so I think that is right out.....

Just hoping I have a freakishly long cycle this month as it would be a third complication for us to deal with if I did have a LP defect.

Anyhow, me me me, eh! Hope you are all well.

Sid I know 'zackly how you feel about not wanting to pimp because it's so pointless. Want to come wallow in my squelchy pity pool??

Hey gang, slowly trying to catch up.

Barking I think counseling is a great option; sometimes it helps to just get things off your chest, and someone with experience in bereavement might be just the thing. It will take time to process your loss but a good counselor along the way can be a big help .

Kitty glad the spotting has stopped
RP temping can take a while to get the hang of; you're not a thicko!! Most imp thing I found was to do it at exactly the same time every morning. Temp rise could be pg, or it could be a head cold coming on. Have you pimped?

Bunny and Happy so excited for your FC appointments this week. Bunny my experience with the NHS one was that the first appt is strictly an "intake" appt, where they ask you about previous tests/results so they can key it into their computer, and can line up any remaining ones that need doing before you see a consultant. Have all your paperwork ready, know what cycle day you're on, how long your cycles are, how long you bleed for, whether you/DH have had any previous surgeries or allergies, what meds you/he take....the quicker you can rattle off the answers, the more time you can spend asking questions about whatever might come next. I was told to have bloodwork & SA redone bc FC needs info to be

RP my temp doesn't usually drop before AF. It doesn't go right back down until cd3. I'm probably just odd though! AsMerk said it can be a sign of pg. have you pimped??

Rp is your chart in fertility friend?
You can artificially raise your BBT but its quite reliable assuming you follow the same patterns. I would be surprised if your duvet made a difference for example, whereas taking your temp at the 'wrong' time would likely make it appear higher.
I hate to be the person that points it out but a temp that stays elevated when you are expecting it to drop for AF is a symptom of pregnancy.
Is it you who is unsure when AF is due this month due to short LP?

Also.... I have another dim question about BBT. I feel like I should start my own thread called Thicko Qs about Temping

But... does anyone know if it is possible to artificially raise your BBT?

I ask because I understand that your BBT dips and then rises around OV and the remains highish (above the 'cover line' on the chart, right?) until it dips right before AF comes.

So AF is due today and you'd expect BBT to be dipping, I guess? But it's not. It actually climbed slightly between yesterday and today (36.60>36.68). I am hopeful this means AF will stay away for a bit longer, but we put on a new warm duvet 2 nights ago and I am just wondering if physically being warmer at night might mask the real drop in temps.

Of course I could just wait and see if AF shows up but I'm too frickin impatient for that.

Kitty phew!!! I hope you can relax a bit more now-- a bit!

Bunny my DSis3 has been ttc for 3-4 years. In the meantime, her best friend has had 2 children (she had 2 before) both whilst using condoms AND hormonal protection. And she is a doula.

Life is not fair!

Morning!

Glad to hear bleeding has stopped kitty

My appt is tomorrow aftie, feeling excited but nervous too! Hope your Ppt goes well yorkie

This morning I came back into bedroom after shower and DH was reading the news, baby number 17 for UKs largest family, why he thought I needed to know this I don't know?!? Why are some people so fecking fertile?!?!?

Oh and bleeding stopped and line darker again so hopefully yesterday was just a blip. Was thinking I was doing a bit too well lol!