Taking No Nonsense and Brooking No Argument We Get Our BFP's, with or without assistance!

Urghh!!! Menopur is gross!!!!!!

Glad to hear you're all cracking on with the assisted conceptions well! I'm so jealous of you all. Really don't think I'll get pregnant naturally now. Not even sure the iui will work, think I'm just doing it so I can say we've tried it and move onto ivf!

Hope you're enjoying your lie-in solars and masses of good luck for tomorrow. They are very thorough your clinic aren't they? double bloods and double scans on one day, what did they expect was going to change over a few hours?

Thanks for your kind words keep I hope you're right but I'm not exactly a spring chicken. They will almost certainly only put 1 back. I think the only reason they would put 2 back during this cycle would be if we only had 2 fairly rubbish eggs on day 2, then they might put both back but generally the policy is only 1 for women of my age on their first attempt. And they only do 2 day transfers which should hopefully reduce the stress (but probably won't).

geek I read that the other day too

So first blood test done this morning, I have to ring them this afternoon to find out if they want to change my dose and to find out when they want me to come in for a scan.

Oh solars my lovely, well done you on getting this far! A fair few steps done already. Enjoy your day off from drugs, and your lie-in. Very well deserved. I am brooking like mad for a good number of eggs, though IOTO.

geek that is horrible - old ladies wee. I suppose I thought it was manufactured... You are such a sweetheart, and have had a hell of a TTC journey. Thanks goodness you're just 3weeks from your bfp. I can't wait to meet you and sparks when I get home.

beedle personally I think you have a higher-than-average chance. Not just from being a brooker, but also as the issue is sperm, and this is resolved through ivf/icsi, then Boom. Bfp-city. Will you just put one back?

oohh go solars! So pleased you are ready to do your trigger. Did they say whether the latecomers were ready? It sounds like quite a cocktail you've been having to take. I bet your poor arms will be glad for a rest.

keep I don't know whether it's the stims but I had a little cry when I read your post about the scan. You are so right, it really is the moment we dream of. I am so, so pleased for you that you've finally had it. You've had such a long and frustrating wait.

beedle my menopur vial contains enough for four days, too, but I think it probably depends on what dose you have to take. My vials are 600 units and I have to take 150 units per day. I'm going to ignore the last bit of your post because I'm an ostrich and am going to bury my head in the sand because I quite simply am NOT stabbing myself in the gut and drinking disgusting milkshakes for nothing we are brookers and the power of brooking knows no bounds.

kitty BFPs guaranteed around here :)

sweetie no vials to break open here yet, the menopur has a little rubber bung in the end that you have to insert the needle into to draw the drug out. No idea what form the cetrotide will take yet, there is still plenty of opportunity for wrongly-broken vials and cut fingers!

Injection 2 down, and I didn't feel a thing because I was pinching 'the inch' so tight all I could feel were my nails - think I might be getting a little cocky now though. I've booked cinema tickets for tomorrow night and will need to do my injection in the cinema toilets before going in

Just made the mistake of reading the menopur drug advice leaflet - thankfully after taking the injection: "Menopur contains a medicine called menotrophin. This is a mixture of hormones obtained from the urine of women who have passed the menopause". Great. I just injected myself with Old Ladies' Wee

well done geek for getting the first jabs out of the way. I remember we kept breaking the vials wrong ans cutting our fingers. I asked om here and the lovely olives pointed out what we were doing wrong. Hopefully todays goes just as well.

Solars good luck with the trigger shot later. They do seem to have a very intense approach but then they get the results so worth it in the end. Counting down to EC. Very exciting times.

beedles ah there you go then. This thread is clearly lucky for the bfps hence my hanging around! Oh and also for the excellent company!!!

Well done geek I think the idea of stabbing yourself with a needle is far worse than the reality. But I still have a moment of what the hell am I doing, as I prepare to stick the needle into me :o

I got the impression from reading about other peoples ivf that they have to mix the menopur every day, whereas I mix 1200 units in a little vial, so 4 days worth. Though maybe I wasn't really taking it in before it was affecting me.

keep fab news on the scan, as you say its what we dream of. Glad you're looking forward to going home, though there must be loads to sort out before you leave.

I was reading a thread on the local equivalent of mumsnet yesterday written by people going through treatment at the same place as me. There were 3 of them who were almost cycle buddies, and exactly in line with the statistics 1 of them succeeded. I don't know anything about how old they were or why they were having treatment, but it did remind me that we're more likely to fail than succeed. But they weren't brookers so who knows what difference that would have made :o

Well done geek!! It'll whizz by now.

solars I'm joining the GFG dance too, and brooking for those late ones. Can't be long now - you must be so tired, hope dh is taking good care.

I'm so excited for you all! Eyes on the prize. One step at a time. It only takes one.

Someone asked - yes, I'm looking forward to going home in 8(!) weeks. I'm fed up with the heat and long for countryside...

So we had our 12 13 week scan yesterday. Brookers, it was amazing, all you dream of. We are having to wait a week or two for the Downs blood tests, but physical markers were good and Kip was waving, twisting, swimming for us. I hope this helps for those in tough times - ivf is a miracle.

Thank you all so much for it all. You have been so wonderful. I cannot wait for all your bfps x

Brooking that those latecomers join the party for you. I'm glad didn't need the IVIG. Wow to you taking two lots of stims though - what is it that you have to take?

beedle how are you doing? When is your next scan?

maybe ooh are they fancy mocktails? I love a drink with effort!

All good here, I now have my first injection under my belt and feeling quite proud of myself for not cocking it up completely, stabbing myself in the finger or dropping anything Managed to keep busy most of the day to distract myself. The garden and washing are thanking me, but I'm a bit knackered now!

Oooo yes please maybe I'm not very imaginative with non alcoholic drinks. I'm sat at home with dh who has a mixed berry kopparberg and I've got a glass of water.
weight watchers stopped me being a massive drinker, I'd rather use the points on food! but when I can't have alcohol its all I want. I need some tasty drinks to trick myself with.

Afternoon brookers. We really are trooping on aren't we!

Hope you are doing on with all the jabbing and bleeding Solars

Geek how are you getting on?

For all those worries about the non alcoholic drinks, I have a list of 5 non alcoholic bevies that look amazing. Let me know if you want me to forward it on.

Hope everyone is out enjoying the sunshine!

solars I know that plus my steroid appetite! there's no hope for me! I'd only lost a few lbs of what I'd gained last time. oh well, if it brings us our babies its worth it, even if I end up the size of a house!

cartoon you won't need to learn it now!

geek thank you, that's so helpful! Must admit I often skim over the ivf stuff, basically as I don't understand it but thanks to the 'geek guide to assisted pregnancies' I'm much better informed! X

wow geek that's amazing! thank you for doing that for me. I'm going to keep reading it back until Its all fully gone in (or ill print it out )

Ooh more from geek

Just to confuse you more I only have one injection for stimming, but I continue with the sniffer dogs at a lower dose to prevent early ovulation.

Wow Geek your list is amazing, it even makes sense to me now

Nice one geek you're right with 3 days stimming for me

cartoon don't worry about understanding it all, there seems to be so many different ways of taking the drugs to make some eggs. I'm not sure I understand it all :o

Crash course for cartoon

Long protocol: use of down regging (see below) then stimming and everything that follows.

DR = Down Reg/Regging/Regulating: Drugs to shut down your ovaries and thin your womble lining. Taken via injections or sniffer dogs. Taken for 2-3 weeks from about day 21 of cycle. Usually causes a period-like withdrawal bleed.

Short protocol: no DR, just stimming and everything that follows.

Stim/stimming: Drug taken via injection for 10-14 days to stimulate your ovaries to produce egg-containing follicles

Second injection (cetrotide in some cases, can't remember the name of the drug in other cases) starts on day 5 of stimming to prevent early ovulation and release into the wild of all those lovely eggs that are brewing.

Trigger shot: drug (eg pregnyl) that is synthetic hCG (the pregnancy hormone) that is injected to force the body to get ready for ovulation.

EC/Egg Collection: Must take place 36 hours after the trigger shot has been administered.

ET/Embryo Transfer: Once the sperm and egg have met, dated and fertilised, the resulting embryos are monitored and the most likely looking candidate(s) are put back in. Usually happens between 2 and 5 days after egg collection.

If embies make it to day 5 before being put back in, they are usually referred to as Blasts/Blastos/Blastocysts because of their shape (an expanded ball of cells)

There's probably loads more, but that'll do for a start :)

Bravo Geek an amazing list. Glad everything went well at the clinic today.

Nice to have you back Keep am brooking for a wriggler tomorrow

So pleased booby is settling in well Boo.

4 weeks till the big achoo Sparks

Ok, slightly revised listings:

IVF/ICSI

cup Clinic will accept (brooking NO argument) on the next cycle

maybe drugs received and leaflets pored over. Stimming starts on Tuesday?
geek No DR, start stimming tomorrow (saturday). EC due 5-7 June. ET due 7-12 June.

solars leading the assisted pack, has been stimming for 7(?) days?
beedle finished DR via sniffer dogs, has been stimming for 2(? 3?) days. EC due w/c 3rd June

IUI
scarlett Having a breather
kitty Awaiting letter from clinic, IUI anticipated for August

Newly Diffed
cartoon Please be a sticky one
sweetie Long may you have no ms
keep Brooking for a wave

About To Sneeze
sparks On mat leave and lovin' it!

Recently Sneezed
boo lots of wonderful snuggles with newborn K

Omg geek that's great! Vety observant of you! Yup still waiting for my iui letter, the clinic think I'll actually start in aug. yey!!! More waiting!!!