Round up your ghosties and ghoulies and long legged beasties, the BESH are going to scare out the BFPs!

Oh bugs. I have several friends now who have "completed" families. One, who is the loveliest person ever, is only 28 and baby 1 was v much a surprise while on the pill. She's terrified it'll happen again, and, as both of them are 28, no one will do anything permanent for either of them (she's got a coil now I think). I feel for her, but really can't be around when she has her stress moments.

I've made a casserole tonight, and am now drinking my body weight in cider (I needed a splash for the pot. Shame it was a full bottle). Crack on with the wine. Try and limit the self hate eh?

Oh and draf, luff the bike. Am . Mine was cheap cheap cheap.

I'm a total, completely and resolutely, with no possible doubt, a sceptic. I laugh in the face of those woo maniacs. I mean really.

But.

1. it seems to do something, even to our very own sceptic euro. And, while i don't know you, I really believe you don't take any shit (slightly intimidated of your highfaluting, business travelling posts)

2. what have I got to lose (about £45 for a starter I suppose..)

3. nothing else fecking works.

Not reflexology though, I giggle if people even look at my feet in a certain way. As for touching? I'd be jumping off the bed straight away! Needles don't bother me (lucky really), but both googled practitioner seem to do some horrific introduction session with a chat about symptoms from "top to toe". Maybe they'll sort out my headaches, IBS and exhaustion while I'm there?

Bugs- can I ask who you go to anyway? Lots of places seem to do a selection of things and a reccomendation would be nicer than just wandering in off the street..

Where do they put the needles? Just out of interest?

My first one didn't tell me to stop doing anything.

The new one has suggested I lay off chilli for a while as I was running "hot".

I was a complete woo sceptic, but the first woman definitely did something. My cycle got a bit more normal (it used to be a bit long with a shortish luteal phase, now it is pretty much text book with ov on days 14/16 and an approx 14 day LP) and my droidal pains eased (fewer clots=less uterine squeezing to get it all out, I think - less clotty periods was one of the things she told me she was trying to achieve). I would never have believed that shoving a few needles in me could achieve anything, but it does seem to. Basically it can't do anything for physical obstacles (e.g. blocked tubes) but does seem to help with righting anything that is a bit out of whack. You need to get on with the individual though.

Aww, I feel so accepted - thanks everyone!

My friend has suggested acupuncture to me a couple of times, but I'm mostly rather about it. Should I give it a try, do you think? I suppose her PCOS-suffering acupunture-undergoing friend does now have two children so it might work...

Bugs, this is my bike - so beautiful the man in the shop loves it and was a bit sad when I took it away. We went out riding with friends at the weekend, and down all the hills my friend was pedalling furiously on her mountain bike and I had to keep braking to stop myself leaving her behind

I'd love to have reflexology. I love people messing with my feet as long as they don't mind my thoroughly unattractive feet. I have my grandad's feet apparently. My mother enjoys pointing out my imperfections and where I got them from

Forgot to add 2 3/4 years for me and not a sniff of a diff.

Cos I won't. I'll smile and nod, but I won't.

Done a bit of googling. Have found a couple that look ok, one does an evening, the other does sat. Might try one of them, but £45 a pop.. Ouch.

Will they tell me to stop drinking caffeine?

sinky the first one I found from internet recommendations and I trusted because of the Harley St address, and she has definitely done something to my cycles (but obviously didn't get me updiffed). New woo lady was a recommendation from my hairdresser. I like her so far.

It isn't cheap though.

Blimey I go out for lunch and a care funding review for my granny and the Fred has taken off!

Welcome evil! Sounds like you'll fit right in!

I too am more a lurker but pop in often. I am known as Faith. Came off pill December 2009. Slightly wobbly cycles that settled down. Investigations commenced after a year, by the following December (2011!) tests revealed male factor inferiority ishoos. Tablets for the hubby - MSB, Mr Squidgy Baybee - sorted that after a while. Specialist ha! Says we should have IVF but I was too heavy sound familiar? so I lost the 8lb to get my weight under BMI of 30, Olympic baybee conceived :) now 10+5 counting down the days til my scan (14).

I know of one I could use and I would. But he's 34 miles away and costs £45 a session. I just couldn't afford it :(

Oh, and peeps, anyone read Marie Claire? Sat getting hair done yesterday, saw an article on traditional Chinese medicine in infertility. Gave the usual, medical failure examples, now surrounded by their adorable cherubs, all thanks to the one woman. The usual shite, including amazing stats (>70% success in the medical failures?!)

But... Also says that infertility units in London are also using her, with nhs funding... That must mean there is some hard evidence?

I'm almost won over.

How do I get an acupuncturist? How do I remove all dairy from my diet, and should I be getting myself a herbalist? Eek. This is so not me, but...

Euro. You do the acupuncture right? How did you find your person? The only one I know is in the Trafford centre, with a big glass shop front and massage tables for all to see....

Ooh, I like a bit of power of love. Lots of karaoke murdering potential there.

I'm sinky. Ghj is ginger hairy jock (for he is ginger, hairy and Scottish. But also because the keys are next to each other so it doesn't tax my barren, 30-something brain too much)

I'm another boring PCOSer. Off pill late 2009. No period for about a year (got married, ignored for a bit). Have impressively polycystic bloods (my ratio is 5:1 LH:FSH) and massively cynically ovaries (I would make you guess, but, well, 73! 73 fecking cysts!). You may think I sound proud, and I am. If I'm going to be fucked up, I'm going to do it properly.

Always skinny ish, clomid and drilling no use. Waiting an indeterminate amount of time for an appointment at my local ivf unit. Was told last week I was "pestering" them. Only referred in April, so maybe I am....

(hehe, have learnt to reread my posts- cynically ovaries. Obviously should be cystic, but autocorrect seems strangely appropriate...

Jennifer Rush. That's who you mean. I am so old I remember it being No1 in 1985, when my best friend and I used to sing it into spoons.

I am pretty much the same as you, evil only much older (37) and because we are "unexplained" I have been told to have a few rounds of IUI before proceeding to IVF, though I think this is just so they can practise the drucks on me. Well they say we are unexplained in the same breath as saying my AMH level is off the scale of lowness.

I can see myself at 80 pretending my current cat is my baybee :(

Wow, you guys have impressive stories

I second Baby Got Back, that's a fantastic song

I'll try to think of a decent name for H...

I am an interloper here and my presence is merely tolerated! Was trying to get updiffed for 20 months, finally got a referral to a rather strange health system (live in Channel Islands you see), had an HSG, one round and Clomid on technically the wrong days of my cycle and Bob's Your Uncle I'm with child. Had a horribe first trimester with 3 weeks bleeding.

Due 16 December. Eternally grateful for the BESHes who have kept me sane and who I love dearly. I try not to waggle my pregnant belly around in an unseemly and provocative fashion but I would miss them all too much to leave totally.

I hope that makes sense.

X-posts Norf, oh dear random busker alert! Does she do requests? Ask her to sing Baby Got Back

Oh yeah, Mr euro is KFZK, kung-fu zombie killer, for his past and present hobbies.

Giraffe, you sound alright. But you need to acquire a hatred of the Droid (Beshspeak for your period).

My story is: we started trying in December 2010, once the honeymoon malaria drugs had worn off. I've never had a positive pregnancy test, but think I might have had a chem preg earlier in 2010. Since then, nada. We too are unexplained. We've had 5 assisted cycles - 3 Letrozole and 2 natural IUI - and one aborted IVF cycle because the drugs sent me absolutely batsh1t mental. We're trying naturally again and probably going for natural or mild IVF after Xmas.

I'll be 37 then, so we won't have the luxury of time.

The warbly female singer version. Not the one from Back To The Future. I'd have recognised that one straight away.

Well I say you're in evil [states bleedin obvious]

BTW, there are no "DH"s in here - all our other halves have amusing nicknames. Mine is HWHNN (He Who Has No Name), which I accept is neither amusing or particularly enlightening but I was having a brain-fart and could think of anything else [so there]