Round up your ghosties and ghoulies and long legged beasties, the BESH are going to scare out the BFPs!

I am also in the "turning 30 before Christmas" club, as is HOTB! However, as I recently gave up work (horrendous issues at previous job so taking a few months off to sort my head out) there is no money to spare, really. Especially as we have nine family birthdays and one close friend's birthday before Christmas too! I think we'll just go out for dinner, or some such thing.

I rode 31 miles today and am feeling (a) exhausted, and (b) pleased with myself. This is good effort for the IVF-criteria weightloss drive :)

Blimey I'm in fertility overdrive today, I must have spent about 3 hrs in total scouring pregnancy/fertility stuff thinking about this next appointment. I've just been trying to find out where I might be referred to, how long the waiting lists are (I've just seen a newspaper article stating that the waiting lists have increased anything from 18-32 months??!!) and am just about ready to have a little meltdown. Why I can't just wait for the appointment I don't know

In other news I've sorted my tupperware, made some soup, watched quite a lot of Dog the Bounty hunter (bets he's someones shameful crush??) and had a roast beef dinner courtesy of MATV.

Well done surviving the wedding Frankel! Im all out of weddings now having had three this year. none next year now though :( Im not that bothered, I actually dont like weddings which is kinda why we put our own off for such a long time (11 years to be exact!)

Alwyn do you have any nice plans for your 30? I did mention a party t o MATV and he groaned and said he thought about a surprise party but didn't think I'd like it. he's kind of right but something would be nice.

Poor knee Euro :( I always knew running was evil. I tried it once this summer, 8.5k in an hr - I thought I was going to die and I got a blister on my foot!

Hello all, I'm back! Everyone survived the wedding and there were no dramas - phew!

Still confused as to what is going on with my body, the spotting has continued, off and on, and this morning I got something resembling EWCM God knows what is going on!

Oh yes, nice to see the Frolicker invasion

raspberry 12 weeks for me

Well I went for the run but the knee pain that I have had on and off for 12 years reared its ugly head and I had to walk back. :( I am going to have to see a physio.

Sorry Northy just saw your question - I'm turning 30 in 10 weeks! I didn't stick around to see the impending love in on that 'moment of pure love' thread. Puke fest indeed :)

Oh witchy thinking of you and keeping everything crossed. Pee tomorrow and take it from there. You know, it may be okay, I certainly hope so.

As to fish, I have some sea bass skin on offer for slapping, we ate the contents last night, was good :)

And go for a run euro, I've been for my first one since diffage (ie halfway through August) because my boobs got so hurty I didn't manage to run even double bra-ed. And it was lovely. Just three miles in the sunshine. Just under half an hour, which is okay speed for me. Unless of course you could do something else outdoorsy exercise wise. Do you cycle? I luff it.

Poor winkly with the 'erbs. The sound VILE. I could not do that to myself, but then I am anti-woo.

Draff we always take a note book in when we have appointments, because I hate the feeling of standing outside thinking, oops, I should have asked this or that.

I also tend to ask about stats,
what are the results of IVF for you age bracket, and your time of TTC in general?
how does this clinic measure up?
same for clomid
how do they deal with side effects?
how do they determine dosing decisions?
what tests could you do still?
are they useful?
etc

Norf the homework was less bad than anticipated. I cried all the way through, but I was expecting that. And it turns out my emotional mind is quite simple. I am apparently quite head up whether this MC happened because the "thing" thought it wasn't welcome or loved. My sensible head thinks this is STUPID, but it does bother me a lot emotionally. So how we resolve that I am not sure, but it was interesting to acknowledge that it bothers me. I did need to go outside immediately afterwards to return to my Victorian self and I am not keen on repeating the exercise. But it is done and I am proud.

Right, on that happy note, I am going to meet a friend for coffee and have a lovely Sunday. And I can have cake, cos I burned lots of calories already :)

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One step at a time witchy though your gulping is understandable

Poas now?

Thanks Euro, excellent start! That's exactly what I need, I'll definitely have to write it all down too, I'll forget everything the second we walk in otherwise.

Sinky! Hold your nose and knock it back in one go. Can you have something nice on standby to down straight after?

I'm up pretty early, going straight to supermarket at 10 to get soup making ingredients, going to make a massive job lot today for the coming week and I might freeze some too. Although I will require more Tupperware. Ahh the dilemmas of a domestic goddess. Not.

Breathe in, drink, breathe out. That was my method with disgusting shots in my teens!

Fuck me. That is disgusting.

I cannot do this twice a day.

Just knock it back, sinky, it'll be over quicker.

I've been up for ages already watching the formula one, now desperate for more sleep! HOTB and I will probably go out on our bikes later though, it's looking like another lovely day :)

I'll have a go at a few suggestions, rasp. I'm sure the BESH hivemind can come up with others. I'd recommend going for a few walks (or wherever you do your best thinking ) in the days before the appointment and trying to really figure out your doubts and uncertainties so you can put those into questions.

-what would the aim be of Clomid? (for a regularly ovulating woman - I think you are ovulating as you are "unexplained")
-what side effects can I expect?
-how many cycles should I try it for?
-will I be monitored while I am on it?
-how successful is Clomid for women who are already ovulating?

-if I move to IVF now, when would I start?
-if I move to IVF after trying Clomid, when would I start?
-what would the drug regime for IVF be (short protocol/long protocol, etc)

The 'erbs sound vile, sinky. My first acu lady mentioned 'erbs a couple of times but never gave me any in the end. The current one hasn't mentioned them yet, thankfully.

I am up far earlier than I want to be. And contemplating a run. I rarely go two days in a row for fear of aggravating my Dodgy Knee, but I haven't done much at all this week, so I feel like I should make up for it at the weekend. And it would give me the spare calories to eat cake later. Hmmm.

Oh god. It looks like pond water and smells oddly sweet.

Do I add more water to dilute it, but increase the volume, or try and drink it as it is?

Honey is already in it. I'm not sure it's helped.

Morning.

Have just sent ghj off to work with a bacon sandwich, and am now trying to psych myself up to try the herbs.

Tbh, I feel a bit nauseated even thinking about necking these bad boys. Apparently I can add honey to the hot water to make it more palatable.

I think this means they will taste worse than they smell.

Morning gouls,
God I slept well so consequently now can't wake up.

I have a question for any of you who have been moved on for IVF. As I said I have my next consultant appointment in 8 days. He if I wasn't pregnant by the I could either maybe try clomid or be referred for IVF. I know I should just be patient and wait until I see him to find out but I'd like to know NOW!

Any idea how this might go or even what sort of questions I should ask or ill just get in there and go blank. MATV is coming to so I have him as a back up, he's very good at asking stuff.

Ps I can't do scary films, I haven't watched one since I was 18 (the shining). I can't even do tension build up and watch most of Prometheus from behind a cushion! I also can't do gore. I like a good romcom me

When I inadvertantly see scary trailers on tv I look them up on Wikipedia to read the plot. It's the only way I don't get the total hebey jebies.

When I was in the States, I kept dozing off with the telly on and waking up to trailers of Sinister.

Oh... Want to see. Future tense. Must read more carefully.

Or it may have been Clownhouse. Either way, instant coulrophobia.

Strangely enough, Ghoulies made me scared of clowns but It did nothing for me. Must be because I associate Tim Curry with corsets and suspenders

Yes, I agree Sinister looks terrifying (but I luffs scaring myself shitless) and one of my friends is going with me next weekend! And both I and CGH want to see new Bond. Hopefully it will be better than Quantum of Snorefest (where I fell asleep!)

Tis released 22nd sinkers