The Rat Smackteers will get their BFPs and they'll BROOK NO ARGUMENT

Morning brookers!

maybe, I second biscuits' advice. If this is not normal for you, you absolutely must see a doctor. Have you started bleeding yet, or is it just pain? I seem to recall you had a really bad time after your last cp (not saying that this was a cp, just remembering) and we were all on your back for days about seeing someone. Save us all a bit of nagging and pleeeeaaase seek help (just not the twunty dr you saw last time).

solars I too am getting ready to lay a big fat juicy egg this weekend! I've been getting random middle pains, but I just know this will be the one on the basis that I already have morning sickness at 3 days before ov, I'm ever so tired, and my norks are hurting and that has absolutely nothing whatsoever to so with me having spent all day yesterday poking them to see if they were sore, no siree!

Still trying to do the stupid bloody job for work, looks like last night was a waste of time so I'll have to spend another couple of hours tonight doing the darn thing.

Maybe should you try the GP? Has the bleeding started (I'm thinking you just had pains yesterday)? Honestly though get yourself along to the doctors today - anything worse than normal (especially as bad as you're describing) should be checked out xx

I am in a bad way ladies. Been up for 3 hours now with excruciating pains. It has never been this bad. Nothing is taking the edge off. Am trying so hard not to throw upnasni need the pain killers inside me. I don't know how I can function like this. Sorry for moaning brookers

Solars I'm glad your appointment went well.

solars good that's your cons was so helpful, but also jolly good news that your laying a big fat juicy egg!!

Yay maybs I'm making a friendship bracelet already!!

Forgot what else I was gonna say, anyone else find this sticky weather rather hard?

Hello ladies! Hopefully you're all well and enjoying the sun?

I've not read too far up, otherwise I'd be here all night trying to catch up with you all!

Sorry about AF Maybe & Imps Maybe I was told by my acu lady to give it a couple of months for the acu to start to regulate things. You really do have a keeper there with your DH by the way!

Wow Sparkes now that's a cocktail and a half of supplements you're loading up on there! All I've taken is Folic acid & vit b complex but the vit bs were mainly to help pmt and my energy levels. I've recently started taking iron supplements but only because it was recommended by my acupuncturist. Sorry I haven't the faintest on the stuff you're taking.

Geek twice in 2 days!! You go girl!!

I can't remember who it was but a couple of you said you received SA results?? I'm brooking these sort themselves out soon!

Keep how are you doing? Do you have your scan soon? Is that right? When are off to Thailand?

Everything crossed for you Sweetie I'm really hope you can pull out that BFP before you start IVF, lovely!

Well I had my first appointment this afternoon, with the consultant carrying out the IVF and it was very informative and he was really nice! We have our next appointment next week where we will have a better idea of dates etc

In other news I think I'm laying a big fat juicy egg as I've been getting mittlewhatsit pain, which I don't normally get!

Waves to everyone else!

Raspberry leaf doesn't induce labour, it was thought to but there was no evidence for it. It strengthens the uterus so is supposed to help to reduce the second stage of labour.

My midwife was pleased that I was taking it, she said it was good stuff. My second stage was 1.5 hours but that was down to very sporadic contractions, there were very few pushes in that time so if I'd had regular contractions, it would have been much quicker.

Meant to say, loving MrMaybe's idea of pampering

maybe don't worry, I know there's a lot of crap science, though I'm sure you are not a crap scientist! Without having the paper to link to I really can't back up my feeling that a lot of work and understanding went into it, I vaguely recall that there was a large study group and an equally large control group, but to me it beat the hell out of a lot of women on baby&bump.com saying 'this woman on B&B.com says...'.

sparks glad you enjoy my waffling long posts hehe

STILL trying to work from home, have been roped into doing that 'quick' job again, this time told my boss it would be nearer 2 hours to complete. So far I have waited over 2 hours just for users' bloody sessions to disconnect, before I can even start doing my work. Humph.

Just a quick post ladies as I am making dinner!

Is raspberry leaf tea not used to induce labour?

Also Geek from a science point of view, just cos it's in a journal doesn't men it's any good. There is a lot of crap science out there and I am a crap scientist

Face I have felt like that this week. When you're waiting for n appointment, time stands still.

MrMaybe has been a superstar tonight. Lush bath bombs, co-codamol, wine nod an M&S dinner. Ooooh, and Sparks he came home with Mollie Makes

Oh and the flaxseed is to replace the EPO after ovulation

geek love your super long posts!! So I'm not sure of the AC does cus it's upstairs and I'm super lazy my mum is due any minute!! I guess I'm trying regulate my cycles (and ideally reduce them) and increase my CM!! Calcium is, er, for good egg quality I think (and for good teeth and nails) and raspberry leaf is suppose to strengthen your womb lining and encourage implantation!!

cartoon I have had that feeling all day. It wasn't helped by running a report this afternoon that took over 2 hours to complete!

Dammit I thought I'd saved a PDF at home for you sparks but obvs I have baby brain because it's not here (and not at work either). What dose are your agnus castus? Internet 'wisdom' is to stop taking it at ov but I read several really good medical research papers (scientific journal type things, so I actually give them credence) stating that AC is fine to take throughout your cycle. I can't find a single bit of scientific (ie not simply anecdotal) evidence to stop taking it at ov.

I stopped just after ov my first cycle of taking them and managed to convince myself that it was 'withdrawal' that caused my early bleed/first cp. AC reputedly assists with raised progesterone levels, which is how it helps prolong your LP. I now take it throughout my cycle, without any breaks. After 3 months of taking it, Month Squiffy went down from 54 days to 35, which is just 4 days longer than Month Normal. I take a total of 1200mg of powdered (capsule) AC per day and 500mg of tincture (1ml) in cold water.

The rest of your cocktail sounds beneficial, though I'm not sure what some of them do (flaxseed, rasp leaf tea and calcium) in particular. What issues are you trying to address? I take a bit of a cocktail too, but mine is very different from yours, and all geared around trying to bring my cycles into some form of regularity and lengthen my LP.

Wow Sparks that is a fair old selection

So here is this months chart, it also shows previous charts and Junes. I may have mentioned I have a new thermometer this month and it has made my chart more peaky this month I think. What do you all think? Can you tell I am mentalling?

So may H&B order arrived, so im now taking so many supplements I rattle when I walk, although I'm not taking as much as it recommends on the various bottles cus that would be more like a full time pill popping job!!

So my list (can you all cast your expert eyes over it and make sure I'm not doubling up/doing it wrong)

Pregnacare preconception (1 a day)
Evening primrose (1 a day until ovulation)
Flaxseed (1 a day after ovulation)
Angus castus (2 a day)
Raspberry tea leaf (2 a day)
Calcium (1 a day)
Omega (1 a day)

I think I might be over doing it slightly!!!

dont u just feel like time stands still at times! my days and weeks are dragging

Sparks not sure if you got answers but fanjocam is less uncomfortable than smear. I suppose it depends how much rooting around they need todo to find what they are checking. Think I had to wait a couple of weeks for an appointment but I suppose it depends how busy they are.

My reflexology women recommended Angus cactus for me and I have 20 drops in a shot of water every morning, with a break for AF. I haven't noticed any changes in my cycle length or anything, but I have very regular 25 day cycles.

I will post a link to my chart this evening, am trying not to mental and not read too much into my temps. They are still well above cover line but I have been getting a dull ache in womble area so would imagine AF is lurking

Congrats to Dr whims too, well done you

ah I think the biscuit comes from when the general elections were on and the leaders were all asked what biscuits they liked, some debate around that!!1

Ive just had to power walk over to my other office, actually it feels like I was frog marched, and now I have sweat dripping down my back!!! desperately need a shower and still have several hours to go!!!

ah it what context do u use the biscuit? is it just a nice offering or a secret meaning

Oh - pressed post too soon, meant to say sparks can you please start thinking of a new fred name soon pretty please? We are in the 900's on this one now. Please and Ta muchly

i put ic in to goggle and it came up with intensive care fairly obvious but totally not what u all mean.
ah rite a first response test i figured it was some form of preggo test.
so are ics generally just the strips u dip in to your cup, tupperware, ramekin

Oh dear imps that's really not funny at all I think it's very mean of people to look at you like you're a weirdo just because of that

Also, cross-post with imps and a google search later, FRER is indeed First Response Early Result. Nothing whatsoever to do with equines.

Omg I can't walk! I've been sitting cross legged and now have the worst pins and needles! I've had to stop and just still while I get my leg function back while making argh argh argh noises. People around me are looki g at me as if I'm a weirdo.

Edited to add that Google thinks FRER stands for Front Range Equine Rescue. Hmmm...

Cartoon spot on, IC is internet cheapie. FRER is First Response Early Response (I think that's what the ER bit stands for anyway), which is one of the main expensive test kits.