The BESH Fillies Are Under Starters Orders

She sounds well groomed (horse metaphor!) to me, innit, hilarity. But don't worry, I am your skanky greying bra'd and mismatched saggy panted twin.

euro, you poor soul, you (understandably) sound so down and fretful. There just couldn't be a worse time for all this to come up. Are you still trying on your own, even if official fertility treatment ends up having to pause a bit?

shred, ectopic re-set the ivf clock for me too, and essentially put me out of the running for an NHS-funded cycle. By the time it's 3 years since ectopic, I will be over the age limit. Utter bastards. Everyone knows that conception is NOT what counts as success, it's having an actual physical baby. Fuckers.

Mornin'

I'm a little in awe of faifes daily bra change and arching knickers.

Arf at "just knowing". Self selective memory at its best.

Euro, so what are you thinking? Is the option for treatment now still there? This is a horrible horrible decision for you to make.

drizz I'm suffering a bit today and feeling rather anxious about everything. I have been thinking ahead, and if I manage to clear the abnormal cells myself, that's all well and good but if not, when I have my next smear in 6 months (scheduled for December), I will then need treatment (say January). Then before I could have any more fertility treatment, most clinics require a clear smear, so I would need another smear a few months after the treatment. And if that doesn't come back clear.... And so on.

How are you doing?

faif nice norks.

Shred the clock resetting is shyte.

sinking the crap admin side of this really doesn't make this whole thing any easier, does it?

@ "oh but just knew, as I climbed off his wilting penis" types

Ah I wear clean bras daily (to match my knickers!) so I don't think it's that! Some look rashy, some maybe from over zealous shaving and excessive use of extra strong antiperspirant?

Thanks for the compliments the rack looked magnificent due to being in the TWW one button kept unpopping. I had to go to the supermarket after checking into the hotel to safety pin it in place. Did the trick though! It was a very happy day. That was from a group shot taken near the end of the night, we were all happy even if I was sober

Don't want to tar you with my own occasionally unhygienic brush, faif, but is there any chance you're, ahem, not washing your bra often enough? I A friend had something similar once

Kickassguru on another fred was attractively snippy with some "oh but just knew, as I climbed off his wilting penis" types. Hopefully she will come and be snippy here too.

You look lovely, faith!

Rubbish having to rebook tests, sinky. Why can't the feckers just sort it out without having to poke and prod you again?

Fresh meat in the offing?

Nice rack, fee ;)

Ectopic resetting the clock is truly shite shred. Also have no useful info re the needle lady/man.

Looking lurvely faife. You look like you were having a good time, even if you were deadly sober (the horror). The pus filled arm pits... Less lurvely.

After missing the slot when I'm allowed to ring to arrange another fanjocam, am poised to ring again tomorrow. Sigh. I don't want another fanjocam.

Dons black racing silks as protest at repeating damn tests

(racing reference shoe horned in ok ladies? Freds been a touch lacking. No mention of Frankle in at least 2 pages!)

OK try it now!

Oh I've bobbed it, gimme a minute to make it public (I have no MN friends, dunno how to!)

If it any consolation I have come out in pus-filled under arm spots. I thought in growing hairs but they have now popped up around my bra line. WTA....?

I agree ectopic resetting the clock is unreasonable. It just is!

GRRR at GP, shred, I can't believe ectopics reset the clock, that seems wrong.

Btw faif are you only visible for friends? Can I be a friend?

Hello -

Loved your fred cave!

Missed loads, so apologies, are we on endo, periods and PCOS? I clearly don't have the former (I now know...), the middle one is reliably here every 24-29days and PCOS I don't have either. Although I do have dark hairs everywhere . In fact my main complaint post-lap now is the in-growing hairs around my lower stitches (I did an extra trim before it, so the scar would be low and invisible...)

All is much better in the lemon household. Brain power came back on Sat and I have done a full day's work today but less MNing time...

Hope the kickingguru will come and join us, she'd fit right in!

PS How are you today euro?

Thanks faith! Next step is to wait until December . GP won't refer until then as the ectopic has reset the clock, so to speak. In the meantime I will experiment with da needles - if nothing else I hope it will help me feel more positive. Good work on the bmi-bashing, by the way!

I have no knowledge of the needles shredders but congratulations on the good day 2 bloods! what's next?

For a short time only there is a photo of me from the wedding on my profile if you want a nose :)

It does seem completely random. I was a really early starter, just 9 or 10 when I got my first period. They were heavy and painful - though not as bad as yours, norf, that sounds horrid. After going on the pill at 17 I had no idea what to expect when I came off at 30. I miss the pill! Have found it hard to deal with the mood swings and less libido since. But now am ovulating appropriately (just got day 2 bloods and they apparently look normal to my GP) without a sniff of a BFP since last year.

On a different tack, I have my first acu appt tomorrow. What do I wear? Will I have to take my clothes off? And how do I politely run screaming if she's playing whale music?

I don't think there are any guarantees. I've a friend with endometriosis who TTC at 38 conceived in months. I started my periods the day before my 12th birthday and bled every 28 days since despite being allegedly too fat too ovulate, too drunk, too high, etc. Still took a year.

You just don't think it'll be a problem though, do you? In retrospect my Mum had bad endo - really painful, really heavy AF (mine weren't quite as bad as yours norf) but she only had it dealt with in her 40s by getting a hysterectomy and she never had fertility issues - BFP after one month with DSis and two with me most people don't think it'll effect them...the ironic thing with us was I, and my GP, assumed it was me because of my irregular cycles and rubbish progesterone results (difficult to time when cycles are irregular) but actually it was the other half and looking back he'd been symptomatic the whole time! But he'd seen the GP and been diagnosed as depression/anxiety. If we hadn't been having TTC issues I doubt they'd have picked it up

I started at 12, I think, and, like faith, had hideous cycles. 14 days on, 14 days off was not uncommon for me either. And I used to flood through a super plus tampon and a super plus pad in under 35 minutes (troublesome at school, as it necessitated leaving every lesson halfway through to deal with the abbatoir of my pants (and inner thighs etc). Thins settled down at university, but afterwards stretched into the 90-100 day cycles of recent years. In retrospect I was an absolute fool not to get things sorted well in advance of ttc...

I was a relatively early starter at 13y 6onths but late compared with family. Massively struggled with pain, flow and horrendously irregular (generally too frequent). I carried tampax with me at all times. I recall having a 14 day bleed then another AF just 2 weeks later . I went on the pill at 17 to settle it all down but by my mid 20s the synthetic hormones made my pms worse so I stopped. Then I was great - regular cycles, not too bad pms, not too heavy. Went on mini pill (started with migraines in mean time) in anticipation of married sechsing, not too bad on that. It took about 18onths after coming off that to get any regularity in cycles so I was convinced I had PCOS - also struggle with weight, especially round middle but that's been ruled out.

Currently munching on a high protein lunch with carrot and pepper sticks :) with my BMI challenge!

I buck the trend. I was a fairly early starter with my periods (12). Over about 24 years, they varied in length from a min of 3 weeks to a max of 6 weeks (and those are the extremes, experienced once or twice, it averaged 4-5 weeks), so not exactly regular but not typical PCOS pattern either with huge gaps between periods. They were however painful and heavy.

I had a lap when I was about 20 because they were painful and heavy. I didn't ask many questions so I am not sure whether they found endo but I do remember them muttering something about probably PCOS and to come back when I wanted kids.

I didn't get on with the Pill so didn't take it after the age of 21, by which point I'd tried it twice and felt awful both times. It was an effective contraceptive because I was fat and depressed with no libido while I was on it!

But I always had an inkling something was wrong. I thought the PCOS would be the problem, but now they are not sure that I have it and even if I have, I ovulate every cycle so it doesn't seem to be the problem.

I was a late starter with periods at 15, had no idea there was supposed to be a 'pattern' to my periods and went on the pill at 16.....i stayed on it until I was 28, when I came off to TTC DS. Irregular cycles, my GP fobbed me off after I told her I stopped the pill in March and still hadn't had a period by mid June (it arrived in style the last weekend of June while I was at Glastonbury festival). I was offered one measly blood test in the Nov and was told all was well (i had no idea about day3/21 bloods) and then a BFP. After DS was born i settled to a regular cycle......
Back on the pill when I split from DS dad and back to the crappy long cycles when I came off to TTC this time. It was during these investigations that it transpired DS was somewhat of a miracle conception given the state of my insides.
The thing is if you're not TTC or suffering really badly healthwise with the droid you just don't think to go and get it checked out. There's no reason to is there?

I've got my fingers crossed for you girls that end up following me out of the BESH and onto the glories of morning sickness and sore boobs.

Oh, and Norf, I think it is our duty to compile said spreadsheet. Not to refuse entry, should it be requested, but to make sure they understand their foolishness.

Hon.

Sheesh.

Fear not BESH, have gone against the laws of TTC and jumped GHJ Friday, sat and sun! and hoping for a double later on tonight

After having one period aged 14? Maybe 16? I didn't have any until I went on the pill at 19. Told then on my history that I most likely had PCOS and "would need help to have a baby". So I suppose I have had 13yrs to get used to the idea...