TTC 10 plus months, Part 7

Afternoon all, wow it's like Piccadilly Circus on here today, busier than Euros chuff!

Lemons good day to you, young lady. Hope you are very well on this glorious sunny day. Your post made me think of hi-de-hi and the lady with the xylophone. Pong, pong, pong, pong! Morning 10+ TTCs!!!

wine sorry to hear about the blood pooling. That sounds horrid. I hope that you are feeling ok and that the walk in centre goes well. Well done for getting out and doing your walk. You'll be better in no time at all.

Pout your whole post made me what a funny lady!

Artemis wafting kipper in your general direction. Sorry about the spotting and no AF. Pampering sesh sounds nice this weekend. Linen sounds v. grown up. I'm delighted to be in shorts today - pale and slightly fuzzy legs will be out in the park today. Yay :)

Joycep well done on knowing your ov date. I'm impressed! I soo need to start FF'ing. I will clean my thermometer this week and get cracking. I'm totally inspired by you and Euro. I brought 50 OPK sticks on Amazon yesterday. I am determined to get a positive reading, so I have decided that next cycle I will wee on a stick every time I wee in the hope of getting a reading to see if it tallies with when I think I ov. I will also do the temping. Hope the rest of the scans / appointments go well.

Gin I too have noticed pregnant women everywhere. Why is that? I think it's a spring thing. I keep expecting to trip over women sitting in nests on the street with their husbands hurrying around them with twigs and nest matter. Oh no, sorry that's seagulls, which incidentally are just as annoying as pregnant women. My new neighbour was telling me all about the Chelsea Flower Show yesterday and all about all of the lovely Pimms tents . I didn't have the heart to tell her that I'm teetotal... we still have the bottle of champagne she gave us for putting up her garden fence for easter. Yes that's right, a chilled bottle of champagne lingering in my fridge. I'm keeping it for the day I get a BFP. Baby princess isn't going to mind a small glass of bubbly now is she / he...

MrsD totally agree with age thing. We've been trying and unsuccessful for ages. I doubt I could have got pregnant at 15. People shouldn't be so quick to judge. We have a word for these people in our house. Morons. I like to use this word liberally. You can borrow this for the girl that sits near you at work. Who gives a crap what sex the baby is? I have this image of the girl - does she have acrylic nails and hair extensions? (sorry if anyone on here has acrylic nails and hair extensions - they can look very nice! {wink] )

Teu furry baby? Do you own a monkey? Do you dress her in baby clothes, like tutus? Enjoy your wine lady. I'm v.

euro still got my fingers crossed. Although I'm pleased you don't feel so bad about IVF. Hope you don't feel too gloomy over the weekend if AF is imminent.

euro and wine at no penetration and withdrawal accidents. Incidentally, my mum likes to remind me that I was a broken condom after a pizza hut in student halls. Classy mum, very classy.

Well, I had a bit of a crappy evening. We watered the garden, which was nice but we then had an argument about tiles for the shower DH wants limestone, so it's like a spa cave and I want white metro tiles, so it's nice and bright but DH thinks that the white tiles are too clinical. Anyway, he got me stressed out and then we shouted and then I ignored him for while and then he made me a special juice cocktail...except it was 100% fruit juice. And then I cried because I couldn't drink the peace offer of apple and pear juice, feeling v.sorry for myself and woe-betiding the STUPID brown diet and my results and not having a baby and it NOT BEING fair. Anyway, he mixed in some veg, which was no-where near as nice but was quite tasty. Hey ho. So this morning we've agreed on limestone tiles for the shower and the compromise is that we have a pink and white bedroom (I've been lusting after some Designer's Guild bedding for ages - [http://www.designersguild.com/uk-shop-online/shop-home/bedroom/bedding/charlottenberg-printed-floral-bed-linen#gallery princess bedding] Although not sugary pink all round, mostly white with the green and fuschia accents. DH would never normally agree to this and I'm feeling quite smug about my win

Right, 10 mins to lunch and I'm totes starving today. Off to ready myself for the park. This weather is too exciting! Waves to anyone else I've missed xx

joycep a bar will be fine. I probably won't be able to stay late because I'm staying with old family members who will want me tucked up in bed with a cocoa before dark.

wine gosh, you've really suffered. If there is any justice in this world then you will pregnant as soon as you can try again with your newly positioned womb.

re. the 35 year thing. It's not a cliff edge so there cant be much difference between 34 and 35. Im 31 in a couple of weeks and its really bothering me. We started when I'd just turned 29.

This will be epic...apologies in advance but so many posts and so many things to say.

Firstly princess I keep thinking of you everytime I have an icecream sorbet, I mean sorbet, erm icecream....
Yep home colouring is one of the joys of being skint and having ridiculously grey hair that seems to sprout ever new ones overnight. Most of my hair dye ends up in my ears, on my boobs (I always strip off so additionally to my rather unsettling mahogany coloured boobs sport the uber attractive look of not only the carrier bag on head but saggy pants and cellulite too. My DH is a lucky, lucky boy)
Your hair analysis was really interesting. You have for the most part described me also. wails that I CANNOT give up dairy

Artemis Sorry that AF is playing silly buggers.
It's interesting how Clomid affected your cycle. I really am quite keen to press on with that.
I did giggle at your DH's comments about "doing a Rod Stewart". If my DH said that I'd tell him how I was planning on "doing a Bobbit. Do you think I'm sexy now?????"

I totally agree with you and Joycep about how getting the elusive BFP isn't even the end to mentalling by a long chalk. It will mentalling ramped up a gear.

critter I'm glad that you enjoyed being home. Also I applaud your brave JL baby dept trip.
What a great specialist you have BTW. An e-mail service is bloody brilliant. I always think of a million questions I should have asked after the event.

So buzzy it seems that I have a rival in the hair colouring sexy attire stakes & much stroking of my PCOS beard...just back off right with your come hither shower cap/shorts combo
I'm glad that your results were good. Do you feel a bit better?

Sarlat how are things with you?

euro sorry about the chart and temps. I'm not going to try and witter on about all the preggo charts that don't have mega high temp and all the rest of it but I will just say that it ain't over till the fat lady sings. Incidently it's good that you feel more comfortable with the IVF thing.

gin Ohhhh get you with your Chelsea Flower Show. Is it 'cos you is from Surrey? Does hagning round the flower buckets is Tesco count? Can I get away with wearing a hat? Seriously, that sounds like a nice way to spend the day (shame about the bumps spoiling it. Why can't child free venues extend to bumps too). Was it amazing? I love flowers and reckon I would enjoy Chelsea.

joycep that IVF thread is beyond belief!!!!!!!!!!!Like wine I know that I should ignore it but am like a moth to a flame. I just keep getting that phrase in my head about walking a mile in another man's shoes. Nevermind a mile I reckon that OP ought to try just walking to the shops and back in our shoes!
I must say I have now have visions of you rifling through your Grannie's drawers demanding "where are the drugs?"
Good for you telling your doc what is what about your likely ovulation time.

mrsTolis at "I flipped my lid" at your friend's pregnancy announcement and at I "got horrifically drunk". Absolute gold!
I also agree about the apparent hysteria about the getting to 35 at suddenly becoming withered in fertility terms. There must be so many variables in this. I mean a twenty something could have worse egss than some 35 year olds. It just adds fuel to the ridiculous arguments of the bitches who spout off about "selfish women who wanted it all, left it too late etc..."

wine 12 TTC books. Wow! Forget carbooting your TTC graveyard stuff, you could open a specialist book shop!
OMG at blood pooling. That is so typical of your luck. Good luck at the walk in centre.

lemons 7dpo already! Roll on the next 7. Did you make cake? I'm with you on the no being 'ready' to brown diet it.
BTW I think I love your DH & his fertility folder a little bit He sounds like my kinda man!

mrsD How's the poorly computer?
I totally get your chagrin about your colleague and scan thing. Hope that she has shut up about it already.

teuchter Sorry that you are homesick. Furry baby???

euro about non penetration conception! My brothers withdrawal accident is bad enough! Lovely baby though if I'd just got pregnant at 33 as was the plan I don't think 35 would feel old to me at all. As it is, this whole business has warped my own personal feeling of ageing.

mrsden luckily im housebound so not subjected to the sunny bumps. I think if I ever get my own I will often think about it offending the eye of ttcers! I too wonder how many people just don't get there. I've resigned myself to that incrementally over the last 18 months. When we do actually get to try again it will be my 17th cycle. But, 10+ grads have got bfps after hefty waits. I want us all to make it and can envisage it happening to you all - just not myself?

Artemis sorry your body is playing silly buggers with yoou.

wine that doesn't sound good! I hope the walk in centre can sort it out. I know what you mean about the MAP. I've taken it a couple of times. What a waste of drugs that was!

Re: the 35 issue, statistically there is some drop off then, but there are an awful lot of fertile people around still at that age. One of my friends must have been 35 when she maanged to get PG with her accidental 3rd without actual penetration! They were just fooling around apparently...

joycep I love the idea of the burning ceremony. I can contribute the Dr Beer book on immunology, a book on acupuncture, various expensive sticks to wee on, manuka honey, all kinds of supplements, preseed and conceive plus!

lemons no sign of AF yet but it's not due until around Sunday. But my temp is continuing to do what it has the past 18 cycles so I am not expecting the end result to be any different.

Morning lemons, how are you today?

I'll not throw the bucket of fish guts at you yet artemis, do you normally have days of spotting before AF?

I like the sound of your diet princess, it's not too different to what I try to follow. Although I did have a big magnum ice cream yesterday. I have become increasingly sceptical about the effect of diet though, especially after I found out yesterday that my neighbour is 3 months pregnant (5 months after they got married). Both of them are very overweight and she once told me that they eat mcdonalds at least 4 times a week.

I agree about the sun bringing out bumps. Everyone round here is pregnant, I can't go anywhere without seeing a bump. It does make me feel fed up. I wonder how many of the one in six never end up with a baby? Because I'm starting to worry that might be me.

gin what does your DH think about using doner sperm? My big fear is that the few sperm that DH does have will be rubbish and not fertilise. I guess we'll have to cross that bridge when we get to it.

The annoying pregnant woman at work had her second scan yesterday and knows shes having a girl now. She had gone on and on about how she wanted a girl and I am such a cow because I was hoping that the scan would show a boy. I don't understand how someone can be so concerned about the gender, whereas I will only be worried about whether there is something wrong.

I've tried to avoid the ivf threads. People have no idea do they? Why do they assume that we've all left it too late? I'm 30 and we'd have had this problem if we'd tried at 17 and would still need icsi.

x post with wine That doesn't sound so flash. Take care.

Sitting here with MNing while Mr Teu watches Sherlock.
wine Glad you are starting to heal and feel better.
Artemis Buzzy and I will have a word with Mr McCaw, see if they can oblige with a sparkly, feathery haka Unimpressed with your consultant.
sarlat Positive implantation vibes.
carrie welcome
beryl the 35 issue. Yep got a nice lecture from someone younger than me (pg with her second) about decreasing fertility. I know she meant well, but I can read and I studied Physiology, I think I'm well aware. Which leads very nicely into gins point about bumps everywhere. Same this end, can't turn around for them or tiny bundles. Wish some of the baby boom luck would fall this way. I shall have to make do for the time being with cuddling my fur baby over my shoulder.
princess I second the witty posts and yay for your rubella result. I has an ex-nurse mum that tried to get us infected with everything going! Your diet sounds good.
May I just say I think we have a rather fabulous set of chaps around us here, be they OH, partners or hubbies.
All this talk of John Lewis and M&S has made me a bit homesick. More required perhaps.
Waves to everyone, hope you all have good Fridays.

Morning lemons! I have had my morning constitutional walk which is getting a hit longer each day. How long for you now?

joycep that ceremony is a deal!! I really all love the idea of us all sleep deprived, drinking wine, watching Angus castus burst into pretty flames with tcoyf providing the fuel.

artemis gentle wet fish slap from a fellow spotter but how I wish its the fabled implantation bleed for you. Did any 10+ grad ever have that yet?

Well I'm not happy with my scar as there is blood pooling in one area and causing a bulge. As mr wine is at work I can't get to the docs and don't want to seem ailing to a taxi driver so it's nhs walk in for us later. Should be fun. first time it's not been for the morning after pill! Seems ludicrous now.

critter* - some of the baby stuff in JL is just too cute. I almost feel my heart bleeding whenever i take a wrong turning in to that department. Sorry about another preggo announcement for you. I hate it when people come to me stressing after 2 months that they can?t get pregnant because the norm is that they are upduffed after just a few more months of trying.

buzzy - you?re right you do have to put your trust in your doctors.

artemis - i totally understand , there is no way if i ever get a bfp that I could get excited by it. Long term ttc and m/cs sadly spoil the magic and excitement of it. I expect I will be a nervous wreck and will dread going to the loo in case i get that most awful shock of seeing blood. I also was thinking the other day that I probably won?t get any of the Downs tests done if I ever got to that stage. There is no way I could face that kind of decision after all this time. Well DH impregnating someone else on some drunken night whilst he is out gallivanting across the world with his work buds is one of my biggest fears although having said that people who know him would say he was the least likely person to do it! He was just joking (i hope) and I was in a jovial mood and I told him that I might just go and shag someone else to see if that got me pregnant. He loves to pretend he is a hit with the ladies but luckily for me he is a hit with the over 60s . Arrogant doctor who wouldn?t wait 30 seconds for you! Anyway i?m glad there is a semblance of a plan there for you.

princess - thanks for the details on your diet. It doesn?t actually sound that bad and not too different to what i was told by my mrwoo chap in January. Love the sound of all those smoothies especially in this weather.

euro - i?m sorry about the temp drops. I don?t think it is ever easy to get your head around ivf especially when the diagnosis is ?unexplained?.

mrsd - oh no venue decision decided yet. Anyone have any idea? I think Gin had some ideas. I will look in to it. I?m not sure what tea/coffee places are open later...they normally shut around 7 ish i think.

beryl - welcome back and glad the move went ok. Sorry about the af arrival last week and putting a dampner on things. I have done that and been on holiday and pretended i wasn?t ttc in the hope i will trick my body. Bloody annoying as it never works.

gin - the sunny weather brings out the bumps doesn?t it. I remember our trip to Kew last year and was just aghast at the amount of preggos and prams . I don?t think I will be going back!

My graveyard ? Your Pregnancy Week by Week, TCOYF, Clomid, Gonal F Pens in the fridge, Cyclogest, OPKs, Cheap Folic Acid, B50, B12, Manuka Honey, Buddhism books (searching for peace!), 2 x Menopause books, Natural Progesterone Cream, basal thermometer, boots charting book. So Please when we ALL have a baby can we meet somewhere and have a ceremony where we burn this stuff to hell?

I had my 3rd monitoring scan yesterday. Anyway she told me yesterday I was fertile at the moment [Ironic don?t ya think considering 2 years of trying technically makes me Infertile] and she told me I would ovulate today. I told her I certainly wouldn?t as I never ovulate on day 14 so she is squeezing me in on Monday for another one. My final scan is on Thursday so I feel very grateful that I have managed to fit all this in before I go on hols.

Morning Lemons! Bit fed up to be honest. AF is playing silly buggers, should be in full flow by now but instead am on the third day of brown spotting. Obvs i am mentalling despite being barely 14 dpo and spotting an absolutely normal indicator of AF. I need a fish slap, or perhaps even a bucket of fish guts over the head

Cracking the flags here. I'm encased in linen in a failed attempt to project an air of relaxed cool but really to cover my pale blotchy northern flesh. Planning a weekend of deforestation and amateur pedicuring to achieve a presentable summer state, at which point the sun will probably go back in.

How is everyone else?

Morning lovely 10+ers! How are you all today?

gin i agree there are preggy ladies everywhere abit like the Cybermen in Dr Who

lemon i'm far from sexy, haven't been for years if I ever was hence all the sexy undies, I didn't think DTD could become mundane at times, I forgot about the drugs in my fridge, they really should give us a sharp bin, any news on the job front, Mr B is looking for another contract, there don't seem to be any full time jobs out there for him

Wave at gin for X-posting. And I agree the sun brings out the bumps in droves. It is not fair... Insert foot stamping. And enjoy the pimms!!

Evening lovely ladies!

Sorry I have been AWOL. Busy with job hunt and outside in the sun :) But it is 7pdo already and I have not menkulled. This was a natural cycle, without a trigger shot and I have felt so much better. So I guess I really hate hcg and that is why it is taking longer...

I have to say princess your brown diet looks a lot more appetising now I know what is in it. And I am relieved that you are allowed whole grain wheaty things. I could do some of it... Especially the main meals would not be so hard. But I love my lattes, my wine and my biscuits (or lemon cake, although I have not made one for ages, DH came back from the supermarket with some lemons, would that constitute a hint?)

I have a wonderful image of supersexy buzzy. Thanks! And hope he means it, it will make the spring clean more efficient!

Btw my TTC graveyard is not too bad:

• folic acid (still being taken, most of the time)
• internet cheapies (both the O and the pg variety, only used the former for one month, and the latter never, and they are going out of date in September)
• empty trigger shot box with three dirty needles (I really should hand them in )
• full trigger shot in the bottom drawer of the fridge

But DH has a file on his computer called fertility with all our results, a beautiful graph of the two months temping I did (but I had a thermometer already, so it does not count, right?), and a scary amount of scientific literature on unexplainedness. It is not my fault I married a nerd...

Artemis I had the HSG as part of our initial investigations, not much discomfort (except undignified, which still mattered to me at that point). Nothing seen, and now nearly 10 months later still no baby. Oh and no antibiotics either, but they tested me for chlamydia before.

How are you feeling now wine? Hope the recovery goes well!! How are you doing pout? (thinking of droidal sisters, here)

How are you euro? Any sign of the hated droid? Or is there still hope. Much respect for the move toward IVF, if and when.

Have a great time at home mrsd and stack up on any essentials you've been missing... So jealous about the meeting, but I simply can't make it :(

Too tired to properly name check. But very welcome to the newbie carrie was it? Sorry you're here but it is a good place to hide! Waves at all, and thanks for making the journey more bearable.

Hi ladies! Just popping in quickly cos on my way home from pretending to be posh at Chelsea Flower Show! Just wanted a quick rant - literally every other woman I saw there had a freakin baby bump! Garrr! Bring on the cold weather, when the bumps are more disguised under layers. I have never seen so many pregnant ladies in one place... Mind you, with my pre-period bloating, reckon I could be mistaken for being a couple of months pregnant

Hope you are all doing ok. Will catch up properly soon. At least I was able to have my first pimms of the year at Chelsea...

euro sorry about the temp dip but sometimes you can have a double dip in your LP.

artemis I had heard of the accumulation before, there is ttc super ovulation thread on here but its rather quiet at the moment. Interestingly enough I hadn't really considered that the mcs could be causing me problems, I fell 3 months after the first one.

hope everyone has been enjoying the sunshine, Mr B told me I looked sexy sitting on the balcony in my shorts and bra with a shower cap on my head have left the colour on a bit too long never mind

my ttc graveyard is
thermometer onto second one now
cbfm - thrown on the floor in rage but still works
cb ovulation sticks
cheap internet ovulation sticks
cheap internet preg test
frer preg tests
cb digi preg tests

progesterone cream and suppositories
steroids
vit d
aspirin
various forms of vit B, magensium, co enzyme q10
vit e and l'arginine
soya isoflavanes
omega 3
angus cactus

herbs from acupuncture
happy herbal pills
meditation and relaxing music on ipod
lots of sexy undies and suspenders and a Basque

well i'm off to clean out Mr B's pipes ready for shag week will this ever end....... oh at work we had another dept join us for a couple of days as their space has fleas and of course one of them is pregnant, and some numpty has decided that having windows in the hallway are dangerous so now we can't open them

waves to everyone :)

Princess thanks for the lowdown on the brown diet, you actually make it sound really nice... I follow a lot of the principles (wholegrain carbs, fresh organic fruit & veg etc) but being veggie i would struggle to avoid dairy completely. Mr A tried veganism for a while last year but I hated it and he soon caved in. I have pondered starting to eat meat again on nutritional grounds but after 15+ years of being veggie and not even thinking about meat as food I wouldn't know what to do! Hurrah for the egg white! I haven't seen any of that in ages - I think it went AWOL around the same time we started TTC . I am liking the tactic for getting Mr P to snort his morning coffee out of his nose! And the French style brown diet with garlic and sexy undies... I buy glamorous undies occasionally but only to make me feel good, they serve no other purpose. I would have to stand there and shout AHEM really loudly then if I'm lucky Mr A might glance up from whatever he is doing and say 'what's wrong with you?'...

I'm loving everyone's TTC graveyard confessions, makes me feel a bit less mental knowing other people have accumulated useless paraphernalia too

Beryl I did exactly as you did this month. Had a nice relaxing holiday before shag week, ditched the thermometer and pee sticks, tried to relax and not stress about it and clearly decided in the back of my mind that it therefore must be our month. Unfortunately AF wasn't listening. Gutted. Glad you are loving the new home and have other things to take your mind off it. Don't worry about turning 35. It is not a magical cut-off point after which your ovaries wither and everything shrivels up. Admittedly I say this from the vantage point of being 38 and childless but the vast majority of my friends who have kids had them between the ages of 35 and 40 and most didn't have any problems the bitches. The consultant i saw yesterday dismissed the gloomy stats I'd read about IVF success post 35. He said the stats cover a vast range of cases and different issues and should be read with a pinch of salt - it's your individual circumstances that count.

Wine the jury's still out on the HSG. The consultant didn't say anything about potential therapeutic benefits and I stupidly didn't think to ask as he was so anti it being any good. I have seen a lot of anecdotes saying it can potentially help clear small blockages and some people (like your mum) get pg quickly afterwards but I can't find any research. The consultant made me feel like i would be taking a pointless unnecessary risk but it's still nagging at the back of my mind that it might be the one small thing I need to get pg naturally and avoid the need for IVF. For the psychological reason alone it might be worth doing. I may start a thread (woo that would be exciting) and see if the combined wisdom of mn can shed any light. The fact that other PCTs offer it as a matter of course suggests the risk of damage surely can't be too much of a problem. Now where is that IVF biological right thread? I can't find it and I know it would wind me up but feel compelled to go and look anyway.

Euro it's good your starting to get your head around IVF. I am trying to see it as a positive thing now it's looking like the next stage but like you I have been resisting and looking for alternatives (hence agonising over a simple matter like HSG). However I have found people's experiences on here really helpful at demystifying it and making me feel better about the whole thing.

Hello to everyone else, hope you've all managed some time out in the lovely sunshine

Good news on this lovely afternoon maybe the pigeon poo was lucky after all I have adequate immunity to ruebella and won't be needing to have the MMR. Yeeeeeeeeeeesssssssss. Well that's one thing on my side after months of being told that things are all wrong on the inside of the princess. Hums to oneself...Things can only get better.....can only get better

wine Yup, I'm allowed wheat. I'm supposed to eat a serving of wholegrain carbs (brown bread, quinoa, cous cous, rye bread, brown pasta etc etc) with each meal. I didn't have any carbs with my lunch yesterday as it was shop bought and I forgot! Yes, I would never have thought that my after work treat would be a spinach and pear juice! Mr P does join in, although he still has coffee, squash, ginger beer, sometimes lattes (big scowl from me), the odd beer maybe 1 or 2 a week and shop bought sandwiches if he has to grab lunch on the go. He's been bloody marvelous about the diet thing and is very encouraging rather than grumpy.

Thanks princess. It's not too far removed from what I'm eating (but i do eat bio yog snd cheese)but I have just one juice/smoothie a day. I need to be by a loo at all times if I up it. So you do eat wheat but just not refined? I quite like the sound of your broccoli and spinach juices. My tastes gave changed so much since ttc! Does mr p mostly do it too?

Hello wine glad that you are feeling better, I forgot say the other day that your mum sounds really lovely and so does MrW. Packed lunch? How awesome is that! Sounds like things are improving by the day. Gutted you can't make the meet up but I'm sure we'll have another one later in the year maybe some of us will have bumps by then

So, I think a couple of you have asked what DO I eat? I thought I would give you a couple of days in the life of princess and the brown diet.

This is what I had yesterday:

Breakfast: smoothie - made with organic fresh strawberries and banana, handful of almonds, almond milk, manuka honey and omega oil

Glass of water and peppermint tea

Mid-morning snack: handful of brazil nuts

Lunch: Organic chicken and avocado salad, with tomatoes, lettuce, olives and onion.

Glass of water and peppermint tea

Mid-afternoon snack: handful of mixed nuts

Early evening snack: (bit grumpy after supermarket and feeling a bit whiny after results saying that I had a slow metabolism and NO-ONE ELSE IS DOING THIS STUPID DIET - it's SOOOOO unfair) - slice of organic toasted rye bread with organic orange and ginger fruit spread (no added sugar)

Freshly squeezed organic spinach and pear juice

Dinner: fillet of trout and 2 scallops (pan fried in olive oil) with tarragon served with quinoa with roasted veg (onions, peppers, garlic, tomatoes and fennel seed)

Water

This is today:

Breakfast: Rude organic museli with oat milk (Rude is the brand, it doesn't swear as you pour) - it has no added, refined sugars, loads of tasty stuff in it.

Water, water and more water - hot and thirsty today

Mid morning snack: handful of brazils and banana (I'm weirdly hungry today)

Lunch: about to make :) Pan fried lemon sole in olive oil and left over quinoa with roasted veg from last night

I think I will make a broccoli and apple juice after work and have some rice cakes and homous as need to go and water garden at new house and do a couple of bits and bobs over there so will be a late dinner tonight. We have a whole chicken to cook, so might stick that in before we go and then we'll have roast chicken tonight with green leafy veg and brown rice and chicken for a salad tomorrow.

I'm supposed to be having 2 x veg juices and 1 x smoothie everyday, I'm still struggling but managing 1 x veg juice and 1 x smoothie most days.

wine other breakfasts I have: poached egg on wholegrain bread, boiled eggs with soldiers, scrambled egg (sub water for mik) made with herbs and pepper served on toast, porridge with grated apple and seeds...I have olive oil drizzled on all my toast products. However, you may not need to give up the dairy! I'm on a super strict diet for my specific requirements.

In other news I'm CD13 and I had a tiny, weeny smidge of stretchy egg white! I'm well impressed! Combined with a 27/28 cycle now that I'm not trying, could it be that someone hit my reproductive reset button? I would so love text book 28 day cycle and day 14 ovulation. Somehow I doubt this will happen every month. I'm just being treated whilst we can't try. DAMN YOU LADY BITS AND GOD OF FERTILITY GIVING MEAN-NESS... I told DH that when I get a big stretchy bit of EWCM (hopefully tomorrow) I will show him.... He was like, "darling, you really don't need to" I won't. It was just a funny thing to see his reaction! and maybe get him to spit up some of his delicious espresso

Oh and euro sorry about the temp drop. Good luck to you just grabbing the ivf balls and going for it. I know it's scary but maybe if the sperm is a bit on the low side it may just well be a case of an egg/sperm introduction and popping it back in it's home. Will you take the pred too?

I'm loving this thread being so chatty it is keeping me company now mr wine is back at work. He left me a packed lunch today. Lovely man.

beryl sorry you had a this is the month. I've and 3-4 of them and it's then that I get most crushed. Hurray for moving too.

mrsden so envious of the meet up! If it were a fortnight later I'd be there but no way I'd manage just yet. I so hope I get to meet up at some point later in the year. I will be there in spirit. You lot have been such a lifesaver to me in a shitty and frustrating situation.

Artemis then only thing about a HSG it's potential to clear any gunk or debris. Did he mention this? My mum had a mc and took over a year to get pregnant with my brother which happened the 2nd cycle after a tube flush. She is resting much hope in mine, but I'm trying not to invest anything in it all.

princess hurray for your entertaining posts. I am jealous of the sole and have texted mr wine to say I need some! I've been trying to eat very well since coming out of hospital, lots of veg, fruit, juices etc.for healing. Are you off dairy? and wheat? And what are you having for breakfast? I'm trying to be inspired and find breakfast tricky wheat and dairy free. Enjoy the sun.

sarlet congrats on the transfer. May these weeks speed by and the finger land firmly at your door.

critter can I please have your doctor?! You are brave to go to JL baby. I have a solid choice of places I online order baby gifts from now to avoid it as I get all fuzzy and the get the come down you describe.

joycep glad the suns making you feel upbeat.

mrst happy new hair do

pout at the ttc aids graveyard. In mine are all of the above plus, cough medicine, maca powder, royal jelly and for shame, 12 books on getting pregnant.

gin wedding grimace on your behalf.

Wave to anyone missed. Nothing exciting to report my end expect a whole new wave of purple bruising that started yesterday that took me by surprise. Well done arnica tablets. And can I just say, how annoying is that ivf biological right thread. it's a nasty wind up poster that I don't even want to look at but can't help it and it makes me feel so must rise above.

Hi everyone! Sorry for not posting in ages. I?ve been caught up with the house move and generally trying to keep my mind off ttc. More accurately, I was doing a sneaky ?I?m not thinking about getting pregnant in the slightest, honest?? effort, in the vain attempt that this might encourage the finger of fertility to turn in my direction. Somehow, beneath the whole ?not even bothered? front, I convinced myself that this would actually be The Month. It turned out that Mr B had also thought the same, so we were doubly miserable when, bang on time, AF turned up. There were tears, I admit, and a fair bit of shouting at the world. But that was a week ago now, and I am feeling a bit more positive as I gear up for another shag fest. I finally got my results this week from the blood test, which was pretty unrevelatory. No thyroid issues, apparently not menopausal (phew), and all seems to be fine. She didn?t give me the actual figures and I didn?t ask ? too embarrassed about coming across like some self-diagnosing, google addict (which, of course, I am, so I should just accept it and behave accordingly). We?re now waiting for Mr B?s SA appointment, which is scheduled for next Friday. It takes 10 days for the results to come through, but even so the next available appointment with the doctor to discuss it all and plan the way ahead is in 4 weeks? time. It all seems to be moving so slowly? By the time we eventually get referred, the summer will be over and I?ll be turning 35 ? that magical number of immediate fertility doom (does anyone else get annoyed by the way that everything revolves around 35, as if one day you?re young and sprightly and fertile, and the next you?re Mrs Barren? Surely it?s a process ? a gradual slope, not a sharp step?? ?Please mind the gap: 35 approaching.?). I was 33 when we started ttc. But, on a more positive note, the house move is over and things are settling down. And I love, love, love our new home! We have a garden at last (I?m growing tomatoes and salad leaves ? to me, this is properly living The Good Life) and it?s the perfect weather for sitting outside. Not so perfect for knuckling down to work? which is what I really need to do.

Anyway, enough about me. Let me try to catch up with you all! Firstly, hellos to the (not so) new arrivals sarlat, carrie, MrsT and any others I have missed. Sorry you have found yourselves here, but I look forward to hearing about you reaching your BFPs ? which you will ? in due course. And waves to all the familiar faces ? I shan?t list all of you, there are too many, but shall offer general tea and cake wine and nibbles (it is the weekend, after all). In particular, happy to hear that wine is on the mend after the fibroid fiasco, and keeping fx that euro?s temperature drop does not signal what she thinks but is rather due to a faulty thermometer. Hope the move goes smoothly, princess, and thanks for your interesting posts on nutrition. Am very impressed by your sticking to the brown diet. Glad to hear you saw the consultant at last, Artemis, but agree that it was rather arrogant of him not to wait for Mr A. Good luck working out what you think about the HSG. I don?t know what I?d choose, given the consultant?s advice. Sorry you?ve been bothered by pg announcements, joycep. They never get any easier, do they? I just found out that my ex-partner has a baby now. A lovely picture on FB of him holding a tiny weeny baby. I just want to see Mr B holding our baby! Apologies for missing out loads ? so much seems to have happened, but I?ll try to catch up. In the meantime, hope you all enjoy the sunshine!