2 DPO - 2WW, Who's with me?? :D

My big thing is that implantation is only felt by 20 - 30% of women. The overwhelming consensus seems to be that you have cramps for a day and then the cramps go away. I cramped Friday, Saturday and Sunday - nothing on the Monday then small cramps on Tuesday and MASSIVE AF cramps on the Wednesday.

Theoretically, yes. It could be that you implanted late. I had a bunch of people telling me that I should wait a week because they know someone who once took a week for the hormone to show up.

Realistically speaking, 98% of women test positive on the day their AF should arrive. That stat is pretty much indicated on pregnancy tests, websites and other articles that I've found (I've read a lot).

It's not over until AF arrives though :)

We're atheist as well :D

Ooop norf makes sense to me. You don't need to give anything else

My DH and I are the same to be honest. We both had very tough upbringings - we were both sexually abuse. My parents weren't rich and neither were his.

I think this is where IQ comes in - and here I would tend to agree with you. I think when you have a IQ and something is fed to you that allows that growth (albeit if done accidentally), somehow that IQ doesn't diminish.

My DH had his passion that he found at a young age and he continued with that. So in spite of his family not recognising his IQ or doing anything about it, he stumbled through school in a very small town, suffered the same stigma attached to most abused children where the parents aren't aware and somehow came out the other side without going to university but commanding positions in financial institutions that would typically require SOME kind of post-school study. Yet he has none.

I was the same - exactly the same up until we left school. I went to a top university but my lacking is in not knowing where my strength lies from a work perspective. I have battled to find a position at work that really challenges me. However, I have a variety of other strengths that I manage to plod along with.

It's unfortunate but the situations we are in play a role in how we will be treated. That largely will contribute to how you see society. And then I believe there is an anomaly that could have easily had my DH give up and go on to a life of crime. Exactly the same with me. I think it's just something in each of us - that's probably a genetic switch that can carry over parents or grandparents and that more than likely can lay dormant. I think that anomaly can persist in life.

I'm not sure what it is though. I just know that between my DH and I - we could have turned out VERY differently to how we did turn out.

talking about all this - i never thought i'd be able to say it - but I really really really want a baby and want to be pregnant this month. And I want the same for all of you. Come on big man up there!! Even though I am not very religious... I am hoping someone UP there is listening to us.

I am somewhere close to everything up North. Don't want to give out any details as some family or friends might be on here and I wouldn't want to share these intimate details with anyone but you anonymous lovely ladies on here.

I think a lot of what happens to you for the first 6-8 years dictates who you are. I agree that genes play a role, but I think their role is lesser than current "scientists" agree. When someone says "I'm overweight because my parents are overweight" - I don't think that's genetic. That's just because you ate what your parents ate growing up and you more than likely carry on that habit in you own home.

My DH has an incredibly overweight father but he was always terrified of being overweight so he just made sure he trained. He now has a lovely body but the slightest hint of fat gets him worked up. Likewise, my parents and grandparents were all thin or stocky. So our heights are similar but if I eat lots and train, I put on weight.

They tracked a bunch of kids for the first years of their life and they tested their IQ's throughout. They found that unless the kids were stimulated, their IQ's steadily dropped as they grew up and went to school. I think genes can be challenged by hard work or by nurturing certain traits.

I was an excellent swimmer growing up but I stopped training. That's the difference between me and an Olympian. I won everything and had the talent. I just stopped as a result of moving cities and being sad about the move.

Wow exactly the same! I was also mistaken for a boy with my short hair. My mother took me when I was about 3 or 4 to get my ears pierced and they did the one ear. Apparently, I hopped off the chair and legged it out, with my mother on my tails yelling "ONE EAR DOESN'T COUNT!".

Ah I love it - the more time I spend inside programs and software and stuff, the more I love it. And there is more going on all the time. It's awesome.

Where are you in the world?

my cycle is 30 days. and yes way too early to POAS.
I think best to wait till next week now.

kicking we seem to have identical stories there - my mum never wore make up, more jeans and tshirts, trainers than dresses or heels. I think I am a half and half, I do like to do some girly things but at the same time I used climb up trees, play with the boys, always come home scruffy and getting dirty in the mud... never had long hair - even got mistaken for a boy once when i was little. which led to my mum getting my ears pierced :)

I work in IT - more specifically designing IT operating models. Geeky stuff but I love it.

You're the exception :D ;)
Was there a role model around that you followed? Or was your best mate like that?

I know it's the nature / nurture debate. My mother tried to put me in dresses, but I refused. That said, she never actually wore dresses. Also, I adored my brother. I used to sleep in his room if I couldn't sleep at night. He used to protect me and stuff growing up. I wanted to be just like him. I wouldn't even wear a full swimming costume - I wanted to wear the boys one.

I remember paying my mate down the road who was a proper girl and entered into all those "tinker bell competitions" to try teach me. I used to give her a pence or whatever and she would have to show me how to be a girl. She gave up I think :D

What was your mum like?

My mum is a jeans and t-shirt kind of girl. She doesn't wear a lot of make up (ever) and was herself a tom boy. She wanted to be the boy her father never had :)

I love these kind of conversations. Figuring out how the mind works :)

Blimey red - how long is your cycle?

I should OV around our 6 months of being married. We are going away for the weekend anyway - not for OV but just to destress and spend some time away from London.

What industry are you in red?

The ability to think can be traced right back to when a child is young. I bet while they had Barbies, they either had brothers or their mothers' were brainy. My dad was exceptionally intelligent but I hated Barbies and dolls. I was happier running around or climbing trees and playing with Lego and being with my brothers. It definitely helped me. Oh and I was born with a book. My mother said she didn't think someone actively taught me to read. It was just something I did - I bet she lies though :D

Sorry about the bfns. Red that's way too early! You should be peeing in at least about 5 more days, so you are still in with a shot!

yes - crazy what ttc does to you - all sense and voices of reason go out the window.

Right new resolution - I shall stick to testing on June 1st!!!

Yes I think so too, growing up I had more boys toys and probably just the 1 barbie in my entire childhood. Compared to my friend who lived next door - she had a barbie tent, with probably all versions of the doll! Strangely enough, shes married, housewife no ambition and I work in an industry where the ratio for men to women is 10:1.

I think my neighbour was an exception though, I know other girly girls who are extremely hard working career ladies but more so in professions where the ratios favor women.

Wow red

It takes a fair few days to implant and then 5 days after that for the hormone to appear in your urine!!

You should be testing about 13 - 19 dpo!!!

The average it takes to implant is 6 - 12 days - with the common being about 9 - 11 days.

It's not over until AF shows, ladies.

red I think you peed too soon to be honest.

DH and I talk about it all the time. I have a theory that the "Barbie" princess land stunts girls and it's why they battle to operate in Engineering / Accounting etc professions. We restrict their thought and mind development purely through the toys they are given. Boys create worlds. Girls make babies and clean the house. I am NOT a feminist but I believe that girls need to use how to think and solve complex issues from a young age.

I am 6dpo also had 2 cups of tea and not FMU so maybe why its negative. I am now trying to think of why it could be negative.

I am not going to test now till AF is late. At least then I'll know for sure. hahaha this is just torture still I feel no different than before - its like am I or aren't I?

everything I really hope you get a dark line and this one sticks... you all deserve this so much and more.

thanks kicking I hope it happens soon for you too.
I am a lot tom-boyish too and hoping not to have a barbie land but more of a lego land if I ever had a girl.

I am disappointed and sad but i think I am still holding out on a tiniest sliver of hope that I might have peed too soon. I am not due for another 9 days. So maybe theres a tiny bit of hope :( or thats just me being too optimistic.