Just MC and ready to try again? Pregnant after MC and seeking somewhere safe to hide? Come on down to the mosh pit for some serious metalling and cake overindulgence

I live with an hour of Kings Cross, so London will be fine. It is just childcare/panic over weekends/bank holidays that makes me worry about practicalities.

Rude midge should have said: thanks for your advice lovely people. No point in going demented. Put a pad in to monitor bleeding and will try to keep calm and carry on. Doppler listening this afternoon at least shows that the bean was alive then so must focus on the positive. Thanks everyone, you have made me feel a bit less hopeless. I am also now able to keep fluid down.

ANother squeeze for jaffas hand. COuld you get there before Monday? If it's logistically a nightmare to travel there for you perhaps have a look to see if there's anywhere specialist nearer to you?

midge Don't you start now!

Right, in pregnancy, as you'll know the cervix is pretty engorged with blood. FOr some women, just straining to have a poo can make them spot. If you've been violently vomming for hours and hours then I'd bet its related to that. You're constantly straining after all. And it is just spotting, right?

Also, jaffa is right - uti can give you blood in your wee.

But, of course, get thee checked asap. How many weeks are you/when were you last scanned/checked?

I'm going to go to a&e first thing. Trying not to be all doom and gloom but it feels wrong. Get the feeling 2nd trimester bleeding bad bad thing.

Midget try not to worry a uti can cause spotting. Get to an epu as soon as you can

Oh, Midge, I hope you are alright. Try and get fluids in however you can, even just sips. Have you tried ice lollies? (recently had vomit/dehydration scare with DD). I am sorry you are having such a rough time of it. I wonder if it is a bug you have or hyperemesis. Can you ring anyone at your hospital? UTI's can make you bleed - when I have had bad cystitis, I have had blood in my wee.

I have been looking at the web page for FMC. Yesterday, I was measuring 13+1, so that would give me until Bank Holiday Monday to be seen... Feeling scared.

Jaffa sorry to hear you have something else to worry about now. It's really not fair.

I know someone who had one in five chance she was about our age and it worked out fine. She went for diagnostic tests.

I would try the place manda had suggested if you can.

Not taking the b bits manda

crap, sorry midge. Try not to panic, it could well be nothing. I don't know if you saw but I called a mc about 5 seconds after I joined this thread but it wasn't. I was 100% sure it was over. Past experience makes us scared. I had full on red bleeding, clots the whole shebang but two days later saw a heartbeat. Can you get yourself to epu tomorrow am?

Luck? I mean lick. Ignore me I am metalling.

Oh Jaffa, I don't suppose a luck would really help right now but I so feel for you.

My metalling level up several notches. Had been so tired from vomitting not noticed I am also spotting. Oh fuck. Hadn't noticed as not really had to wee as so dehydrated. This doesn't look good. Could a UTI make me bleed? Doesn't seem bright red. Oh fuck. Positive midget has left the building. Can't shift this feeling of doom.

Hi Ladies!
I'm pretty much just marking my place.
I had a MC at 10 weeks 6 weeks ago after getting help to ovulate ( I have PCoS)
Anyway, no downers here... We've not decided whether to start TTC yet but, I know I'll need this page in the future
:)

Oh and if DB's birthday holiday is next week, you may be able to get in at FMC before that - I went the very day I called them! There is a window, after all, for the NT. The cut off at FMC is 13+6.

Ah, MiL's, dontcha just love 'em? (and mothers, too, come to that, eh, marff?)

I would first need to be sure how 'likely' the baby was to have DS at screening stage (so as I say, getting the very best screening to give the best idea). From there, if my risk was very high, I think I would probably move to diagnostic - my thought process when I went for the NT with this baby was as much as I didn't know if I could go through with a termination, I needed to know whether the baby had an issue (and then, if it did, to try and ascertain the 'degree' - some DS babies have pretty severe heart/bowel issues. Others are physically pretty well...) because, at 38, I considered that once DF and I were gone, or too old to care for a special needs child who would become a special needs adult... the responsibility would probably fall to one of my other DC and I didn't know how fair that was.

I didn't need to decide in the end. But that said, even with my 1:3200(or 3400, can't remember without digging out my letter!) risk, someone is that one. It could be me. And if it is, we'll cope.

I'm not surprised you feel angry. It's NOT bloody fair.

Thanks Manda. I am going to look into it. I have my brother's wedding to get through in a week's time, which is a week long family holiday. I was looking forward to it, but now I am dreading keeping up a brave face, and worried it will hinder testing.

I am shattered and confused. I have felt a bit emotionally detached from this pregnancy, because of the risk of miscarriage. Like I couldn't really believe I would have s baby in November. And now I feel so angry. I feel like I have had my share of misery, and more worry isn't fair.

On top of this my DMIL, who is long reknown for her lack of tact, and waded in, saying she would have the amnio, she knows people whose lives have been ruined by a Downs child... Apparently, she was mainly sad for us having to face more difficult decisions, but DH chose to relay this bit first, and it has left me all angry and worried.

FMC website here

Set up by Prof Kypros Nicolaides, who, wait for it, was the pioneer of the nuchal translucency screening, its recognised as the centre of excellence when it comes to NT scans. Not least because Prof. Nicolaides didn't sit back on his laurels once nt screening was adopted as standard and the centre is furthering screening research (as I mentioned, they are checking something in the liver which they haven't published yet).

Prof Nicolaides does all the amnios himself on Wednesdays (obviously, as a 'private' procedure) and I've not read a single negative thing about women's experiences with him (bar sometimes having to wait quite a long time as he is often called upon for 'emergency' situations) - that not only is his bedside manner amazing but his skills are too and losses are, I think, unheard of.

Add to the mix it's not-for-profit (proceeds pumped into the fetal medicine foundation to further research) and not actually really any more expensive than you pay for a private NT scan elsewhere, it is almost a no brainer to go there if a) it's logistically possible and b) you can afford it (mine was £180, I think)

I just think, as I say, if you can afford it, that some more detailed information is definitely helpful when it comes to making a decision about testing that could possibly have dire consequences for your baby. Oh, and they took my blood before the scan and the results were bought into the room before my scan was even over, so there is no waiting around, worrying, either.

The baby that I mc in the summer had odds of 1 in 10, 000

And I am not overweight either.

It's not my age, I'm 31. Don't know anything about FMC, please tell me about it.

jaffa The individual readings being ok, but combining to make for a higher risk does sound as though it's perhaps your age that is hoiking it up... I think, no infact, I know in your position right now I would be hot fotting it to the FMC for their evaluation given that they check for several other markers (one of which, when I was there, was their newest research and not even published yet!). If a trip to London is completely out of the question then look into somewhere nearer to you that does a more detailed nuchal, checking for soft markers as well as the nuchal translucency. Our babies are indeed precious (not moreso than to a mother who hasn't experienced a loss... but, kinda, y'know?) and I would be doing all I could to stay at the screening level before jumping to diagnostic with the (albeit) small risk that entails.

If I had a worrying detailed nuchal (for instance, no nasal bone seen, and reverse flow in ductus venosus) then I would be more inclined to progress to diagnostic to be sure. If there were no additional soft markers to be seen then that, in hand with my 'average' results with bloods and nt would be massively reassuring.

But that's me

Maybe give ARC a call? Well, once you have had a little bit of time to get over the shock, which is what it is, no doubt. this is supposed to help, isn't it?

Hey, pebs Af turning up so soon is good news! are you taking your B vits, lady?

midge Sounds grim! The 'not keeping anything down for 24hours' do you think it's a bug, or good old ms? Either way, rehydration is important so if it means 24 hours in hospital to get you sorted (and the difference in how you feel once you're not dehydrated is like night and day!) then so be it!

blue Yes, I'm 38 weeks! And boris you saying it like that is just... Argh! Yes, I will have a baby soon. Me.

Evening all.

So sorry to hear your metalling bad jaffa fwiw if I got high risk percentage I wouldn't have amnio or cvs, downs or not a happy baby is more important for me, and in 2010 my brother was still born after a late amnio to follow up high percentage and once born it was clear to the consultant he did not have downs. Such a sad waste of a life. So for me I wouldn't consider one. The fear of loosing a baby is far greater than dealing with extra needs, however I have worked amongst people with downs and know how amazing they are.

Well midwife tomorrow, full on metalling as my bmi isn't pretty after comfort eating, and I know ill get nagged, please be a nice midwife PLEASE. On a positive I'm 8wks tomorrow :) but totally exhasuted and keep falling asleep at 4ish until 6pm.

Ah shite, MidgetM. Hope you get some proper information soon and that you stop feeling so ill - even if it involves IV fluids.

Jaffa - how old are you? Sometimes age on it owns seems to hike up the risk regardless of other markers. A good friend of mine was given a 1:4 risk and it was purely down to her age. She had lots of additional scans but no amnio until they pretty much ruled it out. Good luck working out what your next move is.

I am on full metal. Sudden onset of severe vomitting, ketones in urine and possible infection. Just when I was starting to feel on top of things. Unable to do another urine sample as so dehydrated so another one going in to the lab tomorrow. Dr kept telling me I was dehydrated as I kept telling her I've not been able to keep anything down for 24hours. Like we were speaking 2 different languages. Oh well, hope to find out more soon but may beed to go in for IV fluids. Now where's that bubble wrap so I can wrap us all up somewhere nice and safe till we pop.

I don't know if this helps at all jaffa but friends of mine (but not very close friends so I don't know too much) have just had a little boy with downs. I don't know what risk they were given during the pregnancy but they were certainly not anticipating any problems. The mum has said she's glad she didn't know beforehand a she would have spent months stressing/googling/expecting the worst. As it was they found out after the birth and their baby was there and perfect as far as they're concerned and they're head over heels in love.

What your mw has said sounds VERY positive though. take some time to get your head around things x

BTW, and this is slightly off-topic, my fellow-metalling-pregnozoid friend is in the US, and after an iffy 20 week scan was offered a new blood test called MaterniT21 (which came back clear), which is apparently as reliable as an amnio for Down's but totally non-invasive. I wonder is that something you can get in the UK or here?

This is probably something for the other board, but I'm curious. I personally would terminate for Down's (though do not get me started on fact that you can't terminate for medical or indeed any reasons in this stupid country) so am interested in low-risk diagnostic options.

I think the amnio risk is kind of an average, I know the specialist fetal medicine clinic I went to for the NT scan with DS said they had a very very low rate of amnio/CVS causing problems because, well, that was all they did.

Good luck with whatever you decide to do, it must be a very stressful situation to be in.