Just MC and ready to try again? Pregnant after MC and seeking somewhere safe to hide? Come on down to the mosh pit for some serious metalling and cake overindulgence

Seems a night for not much sleeping manda. Still waiting to be seen. So that's good as they don't seem to worried. Still feeling sick as a dog but reassured that is a bug seeing as DD also sick. Just this wretched bleeding. But worse, not heavy, more brown than red so many reasons not to freak. Starting to feel a shred of hope. Would not go as far as to say positivity but a shred of hope. Which is a start. Hoping DH is off loading DD and coming to be with me. Hope so. X

Only just got up - such a crap night of being uncomfortable and DS2 latching constantly from 5am... I hate being this tired. It means I end up either raging or weeping (or first raging and than weeping) which is really no fun for anyone. DF roped in to helping his friend move today so left at 8am. So, just gotta get on with it.

Can still muster lots of positivity for dear jaffa and midge though

jaffa so glad you're going today. I feel you will get a more 'definitive' result and as such have a more secure platform to make your decisions. Not that a ds life is worth any less than an average one (and heck, there are many things our children could have, develop or become that cannot be diagonosed at this stage and are just as hard if not worse to live with!) but I am hoping for 'good' news. Still holding your hand and thank goodness MiL has recovered from her foot in mouth disease (if only temporarily! )

midge ugh to being sat in the epu, but a necessary evil, I suppose. A heartbeat is massively positive so lets hope the spotting is indeed linked to your being so poorly lately and nothing else. How has it been this morning though? Still light? Better/worse?

brilliant news jaffa. hope they can put your mind at rest.

fingers crossed for you midget.

thinking of you midge, hope your wait isn't too long. EPU is grim, I've spent hours and hours there in the past 12 months. xxxxx

Jaffa thats excellent news, waiting is always the worst and knowledge is power. Got everything crossed for you.

Thanks everyone, trying to find the positive midget but she seems to have left the building. At EPU with a long wait ahead of me. The only obviously looking pregnant woman here which is freaking me out even more. And to be honest making me want to push in front of them all. Although I know their need is as great as mine (if not greater if Ep's or worse). I only wish I wasn't so used to being here. Thanks again for your well wishes, they are really helping, maybe your combined thoughts will make up for my lack of positivity. X

everything crossed for both midge and jaffa.

Right well, a tiny bit of luck for me - I have an appointment at the FMC this afternoon. Once DFIL arrives to look after DD, DH and I are off to London. DMIL was actually lovely this morning too.

Thinking of you midge love and and positive vibes coming your way x x x

Thinking of u midge and praying everything ok x x x

Everything crossed here Midge good luck! x

Best of luck in A&E Midge, we're all thinking of you.

Good luck Midge. I wish you didn't have to go through this. I'll be thinking of you today x

Thanks Jaffa - I called them and she said straight to a&e. So off I go. Have to go alone as DD was so sick I have to leave DH at home to look after her. . Also don't want her to see me in hospital and upset (she freaked when she saw me after my EP and has already asked me why my eyes looks so wet). Cross everything for me x

Heartbeat is excellent news Midge. I hope at least one of the delivery MWs can tell you what to do next. X

Thanks Jaffa - ill try anything, kind if frozen in fear right now. Still have a heartbeat though...

When I had bleeding at 17 weeks I was told I wasn't under the remit of EPU, and was told to ring delivery. It might be worth it in your case too, at least someone will answer the phone and give you advice.

Jaffa, I should have logged on, could have kept you company. I've not mentioned my own experience of downs as not wanted to put pressure on you but I have a very good friend whose sister has Downs. I don't think she would ever describe her as a burden to her life. The girl with downs is the happiest and most content person I know and had actually managed to become a successful actress. She is beautiful and happy and content. I know she is lucky as not all downs children have few complications. Anyway I really am not sure if that is helpful. It is your families decision and one you must all be comfortable with when you know more facts, but please remember there is still much higher odds that it will be fine.

DD threw up violently in the night. Cue Me assuming everything would be fine, I just have a bug. Spotting now more like bleeding, although light, more red. Full metal jacket. Can't sleep, wondering what to pack for the hospital. Can't decide if I should go EPU or A&E. And wondering why at 15 weeks my midwife is of no use. Oh fuck a duck. A&E I can go in now but other departments won't be open or wait and ring EPU. Will also try St marys although prof r doesnt run a clinic. No pain in the only reassuring thing. Any experiences of 2nd tri bleeding or wise words would be hovered up right now. Bleeding more in a liner than needing sanitary towel but think that is because I am laying down. Oh fuck. and need to leave DD who really wants her Mummy as she is so sick. Double fuck.

jaffa I'm sorry you're struggling, I don't know what to say. I can't imagine what I'd do in your situation but I'm here to hold hands and listen,

Feel absolutely terrible. Having light sleep, waking for panicky pukes. I have the radio on to stop me going completely mad.

My husband, whose initial reaction was 'we'll love them anyway', has now started panicking about the full impact of Down's on our family as a whole. I keep thinking if the baby does have Down's, I have a horrible dilemma- go against my conscience, or watch my DH and DD struggle through a hard life of my own making. If this child has any of the conditions associated with Downs, I'll have to watch them suffer too.

Hang in there midge I can only echo the others in saying your not well so its more than likely due to that straining or a uti.

Hang in there, Midget! As the others said, being ill could cause bleeding and hopefully you can see someone to reassure you ASAP.

And gah, jaffa, I've realized I probably wasn't enormously helpful upthread and projecting Own Issues (I will be 40 when due so the prospect of first trimester screening is causing a considerably degree of my own turbo metalling). The FMC sounds brilliant if you can get there: the place I got my NT etc. done with DS (and am booked in for this one) is also a dedicated fetal medicine research centre and did a lot more measurements etc than just the NT, I found it very reassuring. Also grr, your DMIL does not sound like a vision of tact. Thinking of you at this rough time anyway.

only skimmed the thread but just wanted to jump on and soothe jaffa's brow. I can only empathise with the stress you are going through at the mo. I know when i was pg with DS i was concerned about the high risk of downs (i was 36 when i had him) and thought that i would terminate (sorry) until i had a lovely chat with MIL's good friend who is in her 60s who has a downs son of 30. She basically said to me that our generation are lucky that we can find out when PG, she didnt mean that she would have terminated just that she would have been better prepared.

Then i realised that there was a SEN school literally 2 mins walk from our house. It made me realise that it wouldnt be a logistical impossibility (i tend to think practically rather than emotionally and was convinced that we couldnt travel far to school etc if we had a downs child) and i knew that we could do it

I havent got a clue whether any of this is helping but it has helped me get it down on MN I still dont know what i would do if it happened to us. After all i am an old gimmer of 39 now but i know that if i were to proceed with the pregnancy then, well it would be fine.

Oh and dont get me started on MIL's and mothers manda my mother has been ok lately but i know that she is brewing up for another classic, she just does it. Sad really as i have still not got over her complete lack of support and empathy when i had my first CP

X posted with the lovely manda. Last scan 3 weeks ago at 12 weeks and all was well. Here's hoping its an infection which explains all the tiredness, vomiting and maybe even the spotting. Will try not to metal. Was feeling bad but the spotting put me over the edge. Will step down from the edge and have an ice lolly. Bloody stressful this baby making. And google has not been my friend today. Thanks again everyone, it helps so much getting it all off my chest and poor DH is pretending not to be worried that I can't really talk to him without worrying him.

just come on to give jaffa a hug, sorry you've got yet more stress. Focus on the 19:20 odds. Manda seems to have encyclopaedic knowledge (very impressed!) on this and very good advice.

midget hope you're feeling better soon, that positive lady is still in there somewhere!

marbles so sorry to hear about your DD, hope she is better soon and the appt with paed goes well

mands very excited for you, 38wks!!!

pebs hope all is well and acupuncture is still going well (I'm still paying eye popping amounts for mine but it is great!)

everyone else, hi and congrats on all your BFPs and happy scans! I should stick around, there's obviously some good luck on here. We're just starting TTC again, but I'm not investing as much emotional energy in it, for my own sanity. Counselling is going well, not really talking about the pregnancy losses anymore in the sessions, I am feeling much more myself.