Fantastic 40+ thread - part 6

Sorry to ask - where there any other symptoms to low progesterone Beattie apart from your unfortunate MCs? I worry about how much my boobs. hurt in most of 2WW...

Lovely post Italian (as per usual!) I'm on this thread to seek support but equally to support others through stressful and tough times XX special thoughts will always be with those who've had particularly devastating experiences XX

Peace and chocolate to all XX

sorry that was a bit waffly!

Yes it did I think, but also in conjunction with temping for me. That showed me when I actually ovulated and how that related to the ovulation symbol on the CBFM. For me there was always a delay between the Ovulation symbol and the temp rise which indicated that I had an extra day to that indicated on the CBFM. I remember on here someone said that they had always got pg from dtd actually on the day of ovulation, and not to write that day off. I took that to heart. I think others had got pg that day too or following the SMEP the day following ovulation.

BUT, the month I got pg I wasn't particularly trying, but it was the signs of ovulation as per TCOYF that were more indicative of ovulation (cm and sex drive).

I also think that I did have low progesterone. I had alot of the signs of it, and the tests were a bit borderline. In the end my dr said it couldn't harm to take it. So I did. (although I did for a few months before too).

and so the biggest proviso of all. I dtd at the right time for months, and for whatever reason I got pg that month and none of the others. I don't know what to read from that apart from the fact that luck played a big part.

Hi Beattie Congrats! Do you think CBFM really helped? X

I agree with Italian, the purpose of this thread is for support. I for one got enough home truths from other sources.

adding my stats:

Fireflies - 42, blocked tube, x 2 failed IVF cycles, currently 24+2 with first child
knickyknocks - 39 (but only just still), TTC#2, 1 M/C, 1 chem preg, DD 2.5 years old, cycle 13 (ish)
beangrower - 40 (early Nov last year). TTC#2, DS 2yo exactly, no BFP since I stopped b-f about 14 months ago, DP has lazy swimmers - cycle v regular and tests didn't reveal anything much except for DP issue (and I'm not 20 any more obviously).
Beattiebow - 41 - 29 weeks pg with #6. 2 miscarriages, several chemical pregnancies. Preg after 16 months trying. Used CBFM and Progesterone. (tried temping and clomid also).

Angelgeorgie sending you a big hug.

I hope we can all just support and care about each other. That's what we are on here for (I think). There is lots of fertility advice etc out there but what we can offer each other is support.

Hoping for peaceful calm vibes and sticky beans and chocolate! There's always room for chocolate!

Please, please let's all be really gentle and kind to each other - this is so hard on everyone. Sending you all really good vibes for TTC and the early stages of pregnancy and particular thoughts for anyone who has such a devastating experience as AngelGeorgie.

Missbone having just re-read your posts I find them highly insulting that , paraphrasing I have are coming from a higher moral ground because I ve suffered a stillbirth. How dare you? You don t have a clue what I (my DH, friends & family) have been through. I don t profess to know everything about fertilty , ttc ... Etc all I can talk about are my experiences yet you feel it's ok to post that I come from a higher moral ground. No ,you said that not me ... Do you think it was out of choice what happened to my Georgie? And if I could change the whole situation I wouldn t.. You have posted one of the nasiest uninformative posts I ve ever .
Hopefully , you ll never experience what u have & then you won t sound like you re coming from a " higher moral ground" eh??[

Knicky glad you enjoyed accunpuncture I used to. Xxx
Italian xxxx Ant ' s jobs??? Mmm... How complicated!!! Long story short; now working for our local council as HR officer for 4 weeks hoping, in the new financial year they ll have a permanent post for him to apply for. Until last week was working at another company in Leeds & they ve also got a permanent post coming up so he's applying for that also!!! Council job very handy 10 mins from home , 5 mins from my work , 10 mins from the nursery but found the other job more interesting!!!
My job( work situation) causing me headaches also!!! I applied for a post at Birmingham clinic ( family live in West Mids , parents have offered 3 days childcare) got an interview then when I spoke to the manager about the hours they were crap so I withdrew my application, rung the manager & explained why etc.. That was that. Resigned myself to staying at my clinic for now as they know my history , hours v good 8-4 ( though for last 10 years I did all evening clinics etc) but now a band 7 manager post on
30 hours ( I m currently full time on 37:5 hours) as come up at a local clinic near my mums!!! So feel I ve no choice to apply & take it from there!!! I love my job but there loads of politics & a couple of very lazy staff who seem to get away with everything, including our lead clinician who wind me( everyone) up so could be time for a change!!!!! Bet you regret asking???? Hope you re ok? You sound in a better place.xxx
Gum xxx I totally agree with all you ve posted. Xxx
FF glad you re ok? God it's flying by !! Probably nor for you.
Mia xxx hi xxx
Love to all;
Hi LOL hope you re well?
Missbone nasty post. I may sound bitter at times but I also realise I ve also a lot to be grateful for. I wish a million times over I had never lost Georgie & was/ is bitter but I can t change what's happened . However, I find it hard to believe with any loss , especially a child in such tragic circumstances you wouldn t be left with an ion of bitterness amongst the other feelings. Maybe if you find you re so wound up & emotional on something as trival ( or meant to be light hearted) as a forum you should avoid it or at least giving patronising " advice"
There really are bigger things to deal with in life .. Something loosing Georgie taught me.

Hi Knicky

Don't let me get excited about sore boobs. I seem to get these most months for most of the 2ww though they seem extra sensitive this month. Does anyone else get this, and is it a good sign - lots of progesterone - or not?

Good luck with results on Friday; hope it's all fairly normal.

Adding to the stats:

Fireflies - 42, blocked tube, x 2 failed IVF cycles, currently 24+2 with first child
knickyknocks - 39 (but only just still), TTC#2, 1 M/C, 1 chem preg, DD 2.5 years old, cycle 13 (ish)
beangrower - 40 (early Nov last year). TTC#2, DS 2yo exactly, no BFP since I stopped b-f about 14 months ago, DP has lazy swimmers - cycle v regular and tests didn't reveal anything much except for DP issue (and I'm not 20 any more obviously).

diege wow what a busy life you must have! Cheering on from the sidelines is definitely welcome!
bean sore boobs 5 dpo? Ooh, will cross all my fingers and toes (but sorry not the legs this particular week ). Agree it will be far better for all our sex lives when we don't have to analyse and plan our DTD times. I'm looking forward to a more relaxing future when I don't need to worry about it and can be thoroughly spontaneous no matter when it falls within month.
wendy and latestarter, congratulations to you both. Amazing fantastic news. Pregnancy is a scary rollercoaster of a ride, but I hope that you both have a smooth time of it.
missbone I hope you too have a smooth ride in pregnancy.
miaalexandrasmummy lovely to hear how you're getting on. What an amazing 40th birthday you had! I hope that you don't need to go down any assisted route and that it falls into place naturally, but it sounds as if the your grandmother would have thoroughly approved how any inheritance will be used.
blackcats good to hear your cycle is getting back to normal. At least you'll know where you are then. Thanks for the info though re Evening primrose and royal jelly. Definitely keen to know more that ovary massage! Sounds very intriguing!
fireflies, sounds like you had a very productive weekend with the charity shop clearout. Well done with the pilates - I've heard that although you don't think it's working at the time, the aches you get afterwards prooves it is working!
Hi to everyone else angelgeorgie, beattie, lolfactor, italian and gum. Apologies to anyone I've forgotton to namecheck.

I'm doing fine, had my reflexology this morning which was wonderful and definitely to be recommended. Came out feeling like I was floating on air! She does acupuncture too and am keen to give it a go.

DH has not been able to get annual leave for what could be my most fertile time this week. Shiftworking really does get in the way of TTC. I have the romantic prospect of putting DD to bed on Friday night, running upstairs with hubby, DTD and him heading off to work 30 mins later. Lovely

My full compliment of blood tests are back from the GP. Had a letter yesterday to ask me to make an appointment, but whatever it is, isn't urgent. Seeing the GP on Friday to find out. Crossing fingers it's not bad news. Having my progesterone tested next week.

No idea if ladies still want to do the stats, but here mine are....
Fireflies - 42, blocked tube, x 2 failed IVF cycles, currently 24+2 with first child
knickyknocks - 39 (but only just still), TTC#2, 1 M/C, 1 chem preg, DD 2.5 years old, cycle 13 (ish)

Hello everyone, been a bit distracted the last week with family visiting and doing lots of Mia-related activities - some nice, some not so nice. Expecting an emotional dip this week now the house is all quiet again, so trying to keep busy with friend and our Great Garden Refurb project (and also look for a job)

Italian - thanks for asking about me. I am thinking of you, and hoping the hormonal fluctuations calm down. I can't tell you how many positive thoughts I am sending your way.

Further thinking on the whole assisted fertility front, as I spoke with my parents and they are very supportive. They just want us to be parents again, not that we are not still Mia's parents. My grandmother died last year, and it looks as though we will be receiving some money from her estate, and it seems fitting that we put this towards fertility treatment, one family member hopefully helping us to bring a new one into the world. So about to put myself on the list at AGRC (eek!!), but a little worried as to how it will take over our lives. But am 9 dpo, working to the Egg and Sperm Plan and temping at the moment. No sore boobies like you, beangrower yet, which has been a sign for me in the past.

knicky I embraced 40 in a big way. I had a huge 40th formal birthday party, and announced that my then-DP and I were getting married then and there. I was already pregnant with Mia so with a wedding on top of that, it was an amazing, happy day. We had managed to keep it secret from everyone, including the whole family, and so it was the most wonderful way to do things. In fact, my 40th year was my best ever, because I had Mia 5 months later.

I love all the personal stories about being 40+ and pregnant here (big congratulations to wendy, latestarter, beattie, fireflies, missbone, beangrower, lolfactor, and anyone else I have missed - wow, there is a lovely big bunch at the moment!!) , but I have to laugh at my friend, a very determined lady, who is obviously doing a lot of positive thinking on my behalf - she keeps on sending me emails about 40+ friends who have had babies or who are pg, and lots of inspirational messages. It is almost as if she is saying "well, I WANT this for Miasmummy, therefore, it will happen". She means well...

Blackcats - my story is that I had a MC in June 2009, go pg in Dec 2009 and had Mia in Sept 10 when I was 40, but she unexpectedly died last October... dealing with that, and currently ttc, but thinking about assisted fertility options too.

Congratulations Latestarter - how wonderful for you. Remind us of your story?!

Hopefulgum - how are you doing? I so empathise with your comment about remaining positive; it's such an uphill battle sometimes isn't it? Some days I'm amazed that I feel really excited and happy at the thought of a baby coming along. Other days I think, it's all over. Do you get this yo-yo effect?

Italian - keep strong; we're wishing you the very, very best.

Missbone - keep well in your pg; I hope you have a smooth ride with it.

Fireflies - nearly at week 25 now?!

Knickyknocks - you still there?

Wendy - how brilliant; wishing you the very best that this is a sticky bean.

It's true that it can be frustrating trying to chivvy along a DP who is basically an every 3-4 days kinda feller (that's just his pace). We went for some counselling early on in our relationship to work through some differences, esp' around sex drive (I can be a bit of a rabbit), and his difficult previous relationship (and mine, plural) - and it def made us closer. We were pg with DS so it was a strange time. Our sex life is actually better than when we quickly conceived in 2009. We are both healthier too, with good BMIs. It just requires gallons of patience; I now totally sympathise with DP's 'performance' issues - sometimes I feel the same and definitely in the 2WW I don't feel like much sex even though I know regular sex is healthier for DP and his low motility swimmers. I'm looking forward to the time when we don't have to analyse it any more. Having sex every day is unlikely to make us pg - we have done it for a few months of TTC and I can tell that the 'quality' suffers IYSWIM! Sorry if TMI, but perhaps relevant for others here?

Well, I'm only about 5dpo here but my boobles are killing me.

missbone I'm finding it slightly stressful to read these arguments. I'm sure we are all very happy for you, I know I am and i hope you continue to have a healthy uneventful pregnancy. Its just i'm recovering from a MMC and on here for support in TTC and keeping pregnant to full term, when i read online conflict on here it makes me nervous and leads to stress, something I really don't need at all.

Someone asked about ovary massage, i'll post a link later today or tomorrow.

More and a whoppee woweeeeee for Wendy too. Hope you will keep us posted.

Have a great day everyone. FF xx

Italian, our posts crossed. I am so upset at how things have turned out on here. I can't escape the fact that I am hormonal, and have been for days now..it's not healthy, but nor do I regret my posts. They were never meant to harm or embarrass or humiliate. I've always wished that when my mind was overtaken by obsession and addiction only a couple of years ago (and I do believe the quest for a baby can be obsessive and addictive; that is certainly borne out on here) someone had sat me down and 'stated the obvious'; spoken frankly; and, yes, trod on a raw nerve. Who cares if it's something you've heard a million times before? Who cares if the post doesn't apply to you whatsoever? If that's the case, great! Move on to the next one. It's so not personal.

Latesarter WOW, WOW, WOW, huge hugs and arrow prayer for all to go well.

Wendyb My dear your story is a bit similar to my own, and I too am 47 and even slightly older than you so you are the younger! CONGRATULATIONS and wishing you every good luck with this baby. I am a Christian and will try and remember to pray for a successful time for you. All the best.

missbone thanks for your kind comment to me. There are lots of lovely people making kind comments to each other on here often and I am sorry you feel badly responded to. I don?t want to get into the whole discussion and I can't speak for anyone else but I know I am just here to get support and to give it. I don?t think we're experts at all - between us maybe we have all had a lot of different experiences, so maybe that makes it sound at times like we know lots/think we know lots. I certainly am not slim, and am battling with my weight, which thankfully I am seeing some success with. I hope you will have a really peaceful and uneventful pregnancy. And if you need support we are here.

Gum hugs to you and hoping things will look up. I am thinking of you walking on your sunny beach as it is probably about 9.30 a.m. now! Or maybe you are doing the dishes!

Hippy hugs to you on your island.

angelgeorgie any news on work for Ant.

Still injecting and feeling less emotional! I feel a tiny tinge of hope because I know it might just work this time, but also fearful!

We are clearing out our old tapes (remember VIDEO!). I found a programme about adopting from China, sad to think in the time we have been doing this and the money we have spent we could have probably adopted from China! But at the time it did not seem like the right option (don't worry, don't want to start a debate on that - just thinking and remembering!).

I've also just been watching two episodes a very old programme from 2006 I think it was called A child against the odds. I had recorded the icsi and donor egg programmes and I watched them again tonight, was in tears.

PLEASE do not watch this clip if you are of a sensitive nature and do not show your DH/DPs because it is a bit scary! - HONESTY wince making!

Hugs to you all. It's a bit late to name check but wishing the best for all of you.

Congratulations Latestarted, wonderful news!

missbone - your previous message may have been:"clearly not meant for anyone other than the women who had written about their DP/DH being reluctant or unwilling in the sack." So why all the stuff about losing weight,getting fit etc? Knowing when you ovulate?

I still think your post was "unfair", because what you said, was offensive, to those who were really just wanting to express their frustration about getting DH"s to"comply" at the right time, because your post showed very little sympathy. It was a rant about how useless their husbands are, and a rant about how we ought to just get slim, know when we ovulated, have sex the week before, and boom, we'd all get pregnant.

I don't know that you are able to understand that when a woman has been doing everything you suggest, plus more, and still isn't pregnant after a year or more, it becomes very difficult to remain positive, and to listen to others make suggestions that are obvious.

I never attacked your support, nor did i give you a "shitty dismissal", I just wanted to point out that what you said was actually insensitive to women (who have been incredibly supportive and sympathetic to you) who did not fall pregnant easily (in 2 months) like you did.

We are not a pack of wolves, but we do defend one another, because we are friends. This territory has never been the territory of "fertility experts", rather as women who have much experience in the ttc category, we may already have some wisdom about it.

Despite making yourself "perfectly clear" that you were giving advice to the women with reluctant partners, your post clearly upset many others.

No one resents someone over 40 falling pregnant easily - in fact, I'm pretty sure we were all very supportive and congratulatory at the time (for you), however, I do resent being told the obvious, when I have been ttc for a couple of years and have had two heart-breaking miscarriages.

Hi all, newbie here. My history as follows:
I am 47 and following a lifelong history of fertility problems, have been TTC with my DH since 2006. I had clomid first, and was successful on the first cycle, but had mc at 9 weeks. After many more failed cycles on clomid, I moved onto Gonadatrophin injections, and again was successful on the first cycle. Again I had mc at 6 wks. I had 2 more unsuccessful cycles then the NHS stopped my treatment because they said my eggs were no good any more. We then looked into IVF and visited the London Women's Clinic in Darlington, where we found out about their egg sharing scheme. They quickly found us a donor, who produced 20 eggs, so we got 10. In Aug last year we had 1 blasto transferred. It failed but we had 3 good ones frozen. On 15 Feb, my birthday, we had 1 FET, and yesterday I had a positive test! Now just hoping and praying that this time it might work!

Good luck to everyone else!