The rat smacketeers are brooking no argument!! All for one BFP and one BFP for all!

Yes - well done, Stasi - that's the attitude. It won't be long now. Finding you have a blocked tube now is tonnes better than having an ectopic. And my chinese acu lady described that amazing thing of the egg being taken from both ovaries with only one tube. CRAZY bodies we've got. But good eh?

Hello Duke - sounds tough but you made it with one DS so hopefully you will make it again with another DC. You've certainly experienced a lot of loss, you poor thing. Have you had any help understanding why? And bear in mind that your DS is only 14 months - these things take time. My DS is 2 next week but I still feel that he is quite a little chap and a slightly bigger gap might be a good thing for us all. (Mind you I'm 40, so I'm not sure another pg is on the books - but I haven't given up yet.)

Chicken pensioners. Bless. I hope you let them watch daytime TV Pops.

Hi duke I thought I recognised your name through the mists of time :)
I'm sorry to hear about your losses, but you are certainly more than welcome here with us. Have you had any investigations done?

:o bean

Alas, my baking endeavour always end in tragedy. And it's messy too. And I hate clearing up mess. Also my chickens are pensioners and currently we're getting about 1 egg a week so I have no eggwhites to speak of

Stasi it's lovely that you're so positive, you are a role model for us all after all you've been through :)

Hi ladies. Can I join in please?

I have a 14m DS and have been trying to get pregnant ever since I stopped breastfeeding him at about 7 months old. I got pregnant in August but sadly miscarried in November 2011 (MMC despite 8 week 'reassurance scan' showing all was well ) We're now ready to start again and I've just entered the dreaded 2WW. I'm using the ClearBlue Fertility monitor and Fertility Friend rates our chances this month as 'good', so fingers crossed! I was on the 'brooking thread' when I got pregnant last time, so I am hoping it brings me luck this time.

Very nervous as have had a total of 5 miscarriages now and not sure I can take having my heart broken even one more time, but then I look at my gorgeous boy and know its all worth it.

I've read this thread, but not the others, so have some idea of where you're all at. Its a long hard route, isn't it? Big hugs to everyone and here's hoping for lots more BFPs on here soon.

Thanks very much for the hugs and brooking Bean it made me well up. The macaroon envy actually made me laugh out loud. I think my fellow shoppers think I'm now insane

I have also got macaroon envy, Imps you better post me some ASAP

Beans

Morning everyone, thread has been moving fast today! I haven't read the article yet as I'm in work and it's taken enough time reading back through the thread already :)

I still have a bit of discomfort from the HSG yesterday, which has me a little worried. It's all on the right side, and I think is due to the trapped dye in the tube. It's not very painful, but noticeable, and making me worry a little. The post-op sheet says all discomfort will "certainly" be gone by the next day, and it hasn't.

I have to say I'm not really bitter about the TTC journey so far, I have been exceptionally lucky though, as the only person ever to ask us about having kids has been my Mum, and she only talks to me about once every few months. I started out being very open with my sister and Dad, as they've always known I've wanted children, and post chemo I guess there was always a chance it wouldn't be straightforward, so maybe they were prepared not to assume. Also, I've only experienced 2 pg people since starting TTC, both childhood friends who live a long way away now, and I never really talk to.

I do find myself trying to make things 'normal' though, which I think is how I avoid the panic. It's why I'm so calm about the blocked tube and the slightly poor swimmers. It means we're not 'unexplained' infertility, we're just challenged, and these last 18 months are a reflection of something which can be easily explained, and more importantly, does not mean we're "infertile". We will get there, it'll just take more time. I'd be much, much more worried if all tests had come back as normal - weird as that may sound.

Smegs I'm sorry AF got you after such promising symptoms. I hope you get to spend some time distracting yourself while in NZ. I was there a couple of years ago, on the North Island and really enjoyed it. Even though DH was working for the first week, and we were in a boring little uni town with nothing to do. I went over to Christchurch for the day too, in the tiniest plane I've ever seen. I remember finding the earthquake pictures all the more shocking as I could recognise the places I'd been so recently.
Olives thanks for letting me know about the tubes being mobile, I had no idea! It does up my chances a bit, which is nice to know. I'll probably end up spending quite a bit of my lunch break reading about it all, as I find medical things really interesting/fascinating.

I should get back to work before someone looks at my screen. No plans for the weekend just yet, though I want to do some stuff in the garden, so if it stays nice I may end up out there, preparing for Spring!

smegs I am so sorry about AF, especially with all those promsiing symptoms.
You are all so right.
This experience has definitely done something to me, am still hoping for a happy ending but I feel like its sort of opened up a 3rd eye for me which will probably never close. I am much more aware of people's pain and suffereing, not about TTC necessarily but everything. I think I breezed through life before, most things went my way, I think I was quite naive. I cringe at some of the things I must have said to people before TTC was an issue for me. It has also made me agknowledge some cracks in our relationship, I take over and fix things, Dh sort of goes along with everything, this is the first time I have not been able just to steam in and fix something for us, he has chip in. Hopefully it will make us stronger for it. I hope I will never take things for granted after this

Oooh, Imps they look amazing.

That's quit a good description Pop they are very light and moreish.

Bean you are right, this will make us stronger in the long run scared and hurt are definitely words I use a lot. It is just a matter of time for us all, just sometimes I wish the time would speed up a bit

I mean macaroons of course. (Damn that killed the joke.)

Wise but not yet pg, Imps. But HEY, onwards and beanwards, go we Smacketeers.

I want your meringues. I have meringue envy. I have become bitter. I can't go in the same room as a woman with meringues. I will have to park some friendships.

I have never had a macaroon Imps though they look lovely. What are they like? They look a bit like a cross between meringue and those pink wafer biscuit thingies?

Btw - Sorry Smegs - its a real focker when you think you've nailed that rat but AF just does her worst anyway. Keep going and we're brooking... xxx

God people are bunch of twatheads sometimes, aren't they Imps? It's funny - I feel like I've had the range of experiences. Unwanted teenage pg ; very quick healthy pg; protracted TTC. All had difficult aspects strangely enough (with DS I felt a bit mean towards DP as we'd only been living together 2 months and he was already thrust into life with a pg woman!) I agree with Pop though, I will never forget how hard TTC has been, whatever the outcome. Really felt for Cupcakes when she said a 'bit sick and scared' that it might never happen. Want to give her a massive hug and all the brooking I can muster. Bitter is the wrong word. HURT and sad and sometimes quite panicky, but not bitter. Btw the word bitter was also used on the latest gender selection thread - aimed at anyone who suggested it was insensitive. Not a kind choice of words at all.

But you know this TTC - if doesn't kill us, it will make us stronger. I hope that doesn't make us crass but I feel like we have a sense of what's important and we are probably far more considerate to other people... And pissed off that we're not diffed, of course. That won't ever go away will it?

I need macaroons in my life too, I think.

Thanks Cupcakes and Imps (sorry, can't remember how to bold on phone!). I'm always amazed at people who lack sensitivity about ttc - lots of my friends had trouble conceiving, although all but one couple have at least one child. How can you possibly not realise that it's just not that simple for everyone?!

We're back next Thursday. Looking forward to arriving home and seeing my brand new kitchen! Hope it is actually finished, could be a bit tricky otherwise .

Imps that's awful

Oh Cup I knew you meant that. I was just at the way the article wrote such scathing things. You are very good for biting your tongue. I think we have been quite lucky that we haven't had too many comments, and our close friends know we are trying and are having a bit of a tough time with it.

Imps that is an awful thing to say, some people just don't think before they open their mouths do they.

Smegs what an arse she is. I hope you are enjoying NZ though and that it is a nice refreshing break for you.

Imps I really want to try making macaroons. What flavour did you make? I would also quite like to try making whoopie pies....

I don't know, I think I was becoming (and still am, if I'm honest - like the article says, it doesn't seem to go away) quite bitter about it all. It's not that I'm not happy for my friends and family who've fallen pg immediately, but it has left me with a sour taste in my mouth ? I think I'd say I'm bitter about the experience, not the other people's good fortune iykwim. But mostly ttc is just a terribly lonely and isolating place.

cupcakes people do say the most insensitive, thoughtless things, don't they? :(

Awww smegs stupid AF

Stupid AF Smegs however welcome to day 1 of your pregnancy are you in NZ for work?

I've just read back and wanted to clarify that I am happy for everyone in rl who gets a BFP and wish them healthy babies. BUT I find it a bit easier to manage my emotions on here.

I think ppl can be a insensitive if they have no experience of it. We had some friends over for tea on Wednesday (they are more DHs friends as he works with the guy). They got married recently and where regularly making comments about us getting pregnant. So my DH agreed we should tell them about our struggle ttc in order to avoid the incessant questions. We did so before the Christmas and the questions did stop. Anyway on Wednesday they told us they have just started to ttc and they will be very disappointed if it doesn't happen quickly as their close friends got pregnant on their first try and they don't want to be left behind!!!

How I managed to keep the conversation going I don't know. My DH was very upset about it which is the first time I've ever seen him get upset about the possibility of someone getting pregnant before us.