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iq, oh my love, you are so close, I am sure it will ramp up soon. I had random contractions for a few days, then I had a 'show'. And then it got going. I went out for lunch, and was sitting there with DH, and my most laddish, commitmentphobic , male friend and suddenly thought, 'not 4 an hour any more, every 7 minutes', better go home.

msc good luck today.

Been having 'tightenings' every 15 minutes since 2 pm and the pain in my back/right side has kicked off again - going to bed now after an ovaltine and paracetamol. Hopefully I can get some decent sleep cos I'm knackered - was up at 5 am today and missed my daily nap because of being out to lunch with DH.

Night all xxx

gushgate

Yep busy metalling about going to see dungaree consultant tomorrow now.

manda your scan pic is wonderful and you look to have such a happy family. I won't offer to lick you though. Sorry about that.

I bloody hate OBEM. iq it's not like that honest. 1cm is good. I never had a cm measurement done or a fanjo rummage so you're on your own with that one but sounds positive!

That made me chuckle tas. Think it was the real me that chuckled not the crazy positive freaky woman who is currently inhabiting my body x

bloody hell midget you're my hero!

pebs the waiting game is awful, take care of yourself.

thanks madmen that does give me some hope. At least I can't get an ectopic in that tube anymore, as it's gone. Had another counselling session today (last time I saw her it was before the ectopic)

iq thanks that's good advice about work. I think it's best I crack on and get into work, my counsellor thought so too. She said something about not being defined by pregnancy loss, which made a lot of sense at the time.

grumpus I've had a lot of acupuncture TTC, it seems to lengthen my luteal phase (from about 9 days to 12). I go anytime of the month. I know what you mean about EPAU docs, the one at my ectopic just sat down and said without preamble, "well we can take your tube out" at which point I started to literally fall off my chair and hyperventilate. He just sat there staring at me. NO compassion AT ALL. Deep breaths. Thankfully nurses and consultant very kind.

god martha you're made of stern stuff watching OBEM. It's strictly off limits for me atm! and I'm totally at no EPAU, sounds horrendous. Puts me off moving (we have one where we are now but not where we want to move). LOL! right on the money , you've been watching too much "homes under the hammer"!! I love that prog too!

marbles hope you're feeling better soon, I am speechless at what you went through in your MC, hugs x and tits, words fail me reading about your doc

missc you're allowed to be mean and pessimistic, hope your LO is still swishing around x

Evening all,

Been mentalling busy which has reduced my mettalling.

Manda if I could hug you through the screen I would. And then maybe lick you to lighten the mood. I think how you are feeling is natural, you just need to find a way to work through it (what the hell does that mean - did I just really type that? Shudders.

Pep got everything crossed for you, a week is so long to wait. Sending you good thoughts from the weird positive person who has invaded my body temporarily. (Not sure what she has done with the real me - the bitch)

Went for a scan solo today. How brave was that? Armed with this weird confidence that I must have stolen from a woman who hasn't M/c as many times as me. Anyway - it is still there. It is still flickering. I am officially still pregnant. best friend tried to rein me in from being so positive and think about the future. I know she is right and trying to protect me but I can't shake this feeling that it may just be all right this time. EPU offered to discharge me as they said it all looks normal and instead of clinging round her leg like a limpett I said yes. Get me. I still am under the M/C clinic at St Marys so I have back up but still a big step for me.

MissC Good luck with your consultants appointment tomorrow. So glad you feel less concerned about gushgate and that you get some answers tomorrow.

I am off to prod my own boobs and POAS. Again.

manda your scan pic is lovely i always regretted not getting one with my DD but at the time i was a poor student and couldnt justify the £100-odd it would have cost...

tits sorry you are metalling at the min. i would definitely research early viability scans if you can afford a private one...

hope everyone is doing well

still feeling rubbish but DH is taking good care of me- came home and ran me a bath, did the tea and bought some icecream from tesco for me

Thanks for the link, I really think it might stop the metaling, I think I'll call a few and see what they say and talk to DP about it, there is a couple near by I will see if I can also get some reviews, I am only 5 weeks so need to wait a couple before I could have it done anyways.

www.beardmillclinic.com/viability.html

Here you go!! Xx

Oh and Manda don't stress about not feeling suddenly 'attached' after the 4d. I didn't - I just felt relief all was still ok......at the moment im still referring to the LO as my husbands daughter. Haven't managed to say 'my' daughter out loud to anyone and I haven't been through the trauma that you have so really I think you are doing pretty damn well considering it all!!! Hugs xxx

Awww.

Just a warning, kinda, in case any of you want to avoid it (I shall probably remove it at some point...). I just added a picture from the scan yesterday to my profile - it's not great, the baby wouldn't play ball and barely took his hands or feet from his face for long enough to get any pictures but, yeah, for those that would like to have a nose it's there (and also a pic from Butlins which captures quite candidly how many of our days are - some laughing, some bemused looks, and some tears! And thank goodness black and white is so forgiving because I seriously looked like death in glorious technicolor)

tits when I had a private scan at 9 weeks she did some viability checks - the dr who did it was a huge expert in prenatal scans and works with some of the most well known consultants so although it wasnt as cheap as some of the places we could have gone it felt great to have a real 'Dr' do the scan.

She checked the yolk sac, blood to the placenta, HB, position in the womb. I said when we booked that we'd had a recent MC and wanted some reassurance and so she took her time going through the above explaining that because we could see X (can't remember what it was) it was very positive.

Might be an idea to have a look round and check the credentials of the scan place. If you ring they should be able to discuss exactly what they will do and look for - this way you can see what you will be getting for your money. I will find the website of where I went so you can get an idea!

x post with marbles and tits

Last two babies, I went from 4cm to birth in 40mins... (and getting to 4 only took an hour!). Sounds great in theory, I suppose, but I actually don't like how fast and furious it was and how out of control it makes me feel. No pleasing some people, eh?

tits As, generally speaking seeing a heartbeat means chances of mc drop dramatically then it means they will declare a pregnancy 'viable' if a heartbeat is seen. I went this time and last time... it only stopped me metalling for a while but I couldn't not go, iyswim.

Sorry you're feeling that way manda. It was a shock for you losing Teddy and it is perfectly understandable that you are feeling a bit off - it is a lot to process all at once.

Watching for iq updates with interest :)

pebs I'm so so sorry you have this new development and then a load of uncertainty hanging over you. Holding you in my thoughts hoping that some good news will emerge from what seems like doom and gloom at the moment.

IQ You're definitely doing the whole long latent stage thing which apparently makes for a quicker, easier time once things start properly... I presume MW has given you a sweep so you could well see some action soon! It's a strange time for you, at the moment, that no amount of 'advice' will probably seem right for you - I think most mums would say (because we have the benefit of hindsight and completely forget how all consumung thoughts of impending labour can be! Especially the first time) make the most of this time whilst you are just... you. I personally would be doing last moment grooming/bathing (which is quite a hilarious thing to say considering much of my grooming has fallen by the wayside since I lost Teddy...) but, yeah, I would be making a last minute effort and then trying to switch off and relax. Can't wait for you to 'graduate'!

I was quite... low/upset last night. I came away fro the 3/4D scan feeling...exactly the same. Which is to say, nothing much. A few tears last night, some more today (prompted by my Mother, not that she realises - saying how my Nan tried straight away after she lost her 3 month DD2 to SIDS and subsequently, when severely agorophobic/depressed/anxious was advised by doctors this was probably a bad idea before dealing with her feelings re: the loss. And I've already realised that I wasn't in the best shape either mentally or physically before getting pregnant again but it's done now so... helpful. Thanks Ma!)

Oooo iq I really hope things are moving along 1cm is good! Only 9 to go! I went from 1-4 in 2 hours with DD and took AAAAAGGGEEESSSS to get to 1 and was fully dialated after another 2 hours fingers firmly crossed for baby-Q to get a wiggle on

Does anyone know anything about viability scans? Can they tell if everything is ok right there and then or can they look and see if everything is likely to progress normally iyswim? I am in two minds, part of me thinks it would be a relief to see something on the screen to really get it to sink in and stop the worries about lack of symptoms etc. Part of me thinks that if it's going to end badly like the rest then I would rather not know about it. Also most of them say from 7 weeks, can they see a heartbeat then?

pebs keeping it all crossed for you - what a bloody nightmare!!!! Were all here for you ready to hold your hand through the next week!! Hugs xxx

Things here have taken a bizarre turn - have really bad pain in my side and so went off to the drop in to see the MW. She was lovely and very helpful - we both assumed was a kidney problem but sample was all fine. The pain has been accompanied by tightenings so she thought better have a check to see what was happening 'down stairs'......well my cervix is soft and I'm nearly 1cm dilated but as my cervix is still posteria I'm not officially in labour. Her words were 'your making your way up to it'........so she had a nice rummage around and said see what happens. Still in pain and now my back has kicked off - not really sure what to do with myself at this moment so I'm on the sofa watching lord of the rings!!!!

Oh pebs I am sorry sweetheart, I really hope there is some rational explanation and it works out ok for you and your babies.

pebs I hope they have got it wrong and I have everything crossed for you.

So Sorry for what your going through pebs :( x

pebs that's so strange, I have everything, everything crossed that there is an explanation and until then I'd try and believe the more experienced scanning people until you can get to your consultant? or a private scan maybe? I don't even know what to suggest really, it's all so odd. You need answers though, you poor thing - I wouldn't go into work I think I'd be clamouring on the door saying they can't leave you like that, it's crazy. Let us know if anything develops and keep strong, okay. :( :(

All horrendous stories, I've told you all the saga of when I lost mini-toe surrounded by heartbeats, maybe one day I'll tell you all about the horridness of people when I was losing coffee-bean (and yes I was young as well. Not was actually. AM. I AM young )

SIL-who-is-preggers has called to say she's having a girl. I felt a bit sick with the announcement actually. Ever since she announced she was pg and told me she'd had to wait soooo long to tell everyone because she'd known since just 3 weeks pg when what she meant was when she POAS she got a 3+ if just felt a bit cross about her having a baby when I can't have one, and hers will be older than mine, and mine was supposed to be older than hers, and it's not fair.

Inexplicably I wanted her to have a boy because I think mine's a girl and with dates 6 weeks apart I didn't want them jammed together all the time in ILs-land. And because if I lose mine that will really really really suck.

Tried to ring the consultant but she wasn't available. The secretary just wanted to put me through to epu again. I only spoke to them a few hours ago so no point really.

The epu said I have to wait a week cause the guidelines say if the situation changes you need to scan again in a week and the doctors will not end the pg until after the week. Because I have changed from one baby to two I need to wait.

I was/am feeling very pg. Boobs and tummy are massive and I am knackered all the time it's really frustrating.

I feel ok at the moment but probably in denial