Just MC and ready to try again? Pregnant after MC and seeking somewhere safe to hide? Come on down to the shiny new baby-friendly MOSH PIT.

I didn't update after my Thursday scan because my laptop crashed later that evening ... all looked fine (9 weeks 6 days). Saw consultant for first time who told me that the hospital now performs the NT scan for free and booked me an appointment two weeks from today. I wonder if I can go that long without a scan!

thinking of you tas and far sending wishes for good beta doubling ... please forgive absence of other personals

x post with tits

Ack. That's not fair! Not the hospital thing... that you're only 25!

Heh. I jest. How bloody stressful. But hey, DS2 will be delighted to see you and as you say, birthday celebrations can ensue make sure you bring cake here. Just sayin'

Any word on when they will reschedule? Are you effectively on standby now?

Right, I am convinced by noted B vitamin propagandist manda! I have to go into town tomorrow before work to get Goretex pads fitted to my clarinet (yes really) so will pop into Holland & Barrett and B100 myself up.

leedy It is possible to have the side effect you speak of (which is your nervous system not tolerating the dose!) but a) usually the dose would have to be maybe B250 for the average person to experience (so MASSIVE dose rather than simply High dose ) and b) it reverses as soon as you stop/lower the dose. So as long as you're aware that it might happen and cut back then it's not really an issue, y'know?

As for when to take it, first half of your cycle is when the egg is forming so that's ideal but personally I'd say take it all cycle so that you're 'in the habit' as it were and because it does seem to have other positive effects anyway not related directly to pregnancy (but that may help - reducing stress = good for everything, improving hair/skin/nails = good for how you feel about yourself which = good for SWI )

When I started, I initally took B50, but soon upped to B100.

far Really hoping the counts are on track.

And I'm on a train home. After carting DS plus 2 weeks of luggage and medical equiptment through the streets of London. Not pleased!

However, this means I shall be at home for my birthday (25th) and my finals at college.

B100, gotcha. And you haven't had any tingling in your extremities, or anything, which I remember hearing was a possible side effect of a lot of B6?

Grmph. I'm feeling a bit down - I think I felt like I'd had my couple of months after the miscarriage to let everything get back to normal and then OBVIOUSLY I was going to get pregnant this time round. STUPID BODY. Also doing the traditional "I AM 40 THIS YEAR SO MY OVARIES ARE GOING TO FALL OUT ANYWAY". Wibble.

Thanks iq :) I am hoping its just a bit of implantation. I am trying to stay positive but that is dangerously close to getting my hopes up which is what I really want to avoid.

manda I am too early even for a scan, I have caved and gone in for HCG beta count though. Next one Weds and should have results by Friday, that seems like an age away.......

leeky I take it all the way though, I used B100 but B50 is also ok I think.

No, have not started my high-dose B vits yet, though after far posted yesterday I had a Berocca, as it was the most B-vitamined thing I had in the house. How high is high dose exactly? I should get on it during the first half of my cycle, shouldn't I?

And ach, tits, CF is tough. I have a friend with it who's an adult and a mum herself now.

What a mosh pit with have this morning!!!

tas sending you kind thoughts and hugs at what can only be a hellish time!! Xx

tits really hoping that you are all booked in (no bed finding) and great that your DH is close by. Fully agree with the other ladies about belated birthday celebrations - your not an old crone anyhow your mature!!!

leedy sorry AF got you - I would say that the B Vits seem to be doing something for the ladies on this thread - Manda is the resident drug pusher expert so she will be able to answer your questions.

far and pebs I had bleeding and cramps early on (queue nearly hourly knicker checking for 2 weeks) - it all turned out to be nothing but can fully understand the current metalling!!! You kind of go between blind panic and pleading hope that it will be ok, not much middle ground in pg after MC. Hoping it really is nothing and it's just those little beans really bedding down!!

Martha rubbish AF but good your DH is on it and good your still managing to 'jump on him' - I know your still in two minds but at the moment you really don't have to make any hard or fast decisions. I wish I could jump on DH at the moment.......we attempted to have some 'special time' at the weekend and ended up in hysterics part way through as I had cramp in my leg and my hip had locked out from being in the position......how could he not be turned on!!

Jaffa sorry your feeling like hell - I haven't been feeling too bright myself and at the moment can't even be bothered to get out of my bed!!! Sending you a hot lemon and some clean sheets (this always helps me for some reason) and hoping you feel a bit better soon.

marbles how are you getting on??

missc that is a heck of a lot of milestones all following from each other!! Really hope that this is the one to turn the tide for you (other than your fab DD obviously). Will be keeping it all crossed for you!!

Oh and Manda again with this chez Bruce place.....you are a cruel woman to tempt us all with their culinary delights!!! DH finishes his course this week so I'm hoping that he will take me out for a special meal to celebrate......must start dropping hints to give him time to book!!

Right I suppose I better get my bulk out of bed and gets some food in me before this little one kicks a hole in me so she can get herself out. Oh yeah forgot to say we are in the 'safety zone' now - 37+1 today - can't believe we've made it this far.......it's been a long and rocky road full of metalling!!! now were just waiting on her to make an entrance, wonder how marathon is getting on I'm sure our EDD's are days apart!!

Love to all xxx

tas holding you in my thoughts today.

tits OK, that sounds sucky. I don't know an awful lot about CF other than what I've seen in things like ER (currently rewatching from the beginning but bringing DF along for the ride - just finishing season 6!) although I do remember also seeing a documentary that featured a child with the condition - the daily physio seems so brutal although I get it's absolutely necessary and for the child not knowing any different it's... well, it's just the way it is. I can imagine it's exhausting for everyone concerned - hope you have a good support network around you.

Endo on top, for you? My Mum and Aunt had it so I do have some knowledge of how crappy that can be too.

Hope the next couple of weeks throw up some answers as to why DS is struggling at the mo and that the distraction proves useful in the tww!

Hey, haven't you heard we're not supposed to celebrate our birthdays at this point and should, infact, weep? Cos we're old crones and all that now. Ready for the rubbish tip after 30, don'tcha know?

you can join me in the mosh pit - i need the company!

i could do with buggering off to a health spa until friday and get pampered all day and night to take my mind off the scan.

it is good news about the 3+ but i am still having the brown stuff. i was googling yesterday and was looking at brown discharge, UTI and early pregnancy. i might still have a bit of UTI which could be causing the discharge. i think i am going to ring the gp and see what they say.

tas I am so so sorry, its awful and so unfair after everything you have been through. I hope you can take some comfort from the fact they are saving your tube at least although I am aware nothing can really make you feel better at this point :(

leedy have you tried taking B vits? They have helped lenghthen many people's luteal phases on this thread. Sorry about AF?

Pebs that is great news about the 3+, can I join you in the mosh pit? I really want to be knocked out for the next couple of weeks I am goign mental. My boobs don't hurt, I have some mild cramping and last night and this morning have had some brackish brown discharge on wiping. I know it could be nothing but it could also be the beginning of the end, again, as this is how it always starts for me :( Argh wibble wibble wibble. I did get a nice strong line this morning but I have had that before and its still gone wrong :(

tas thinking about you today. I hope it goes as well it can x

tits also thinking of you and your family x

Yes DP is here, luckily he works in London so is close by!
DS is having a Bronchoscopy and 2 weeks intensive IVs. He has had a bad chest for a while now and they are finally investigating it.
I am in the car on the way up atm, waiting to confirm that they actually have a bed! This hospital is prone to messing us around. I am stressed up to the max!

Thanks for the kinds words. :)

tits im around if you need to have a rant etc sorry you are having to spend so long in hosp with your DS i have a friend who has strong CF links in her family and it is just awful i hope your DS feels better (as much as better means for his condition iykwim) soon and you have a nice belated birthday when you get back. poo about the 2ww being in hospital too! is your DH going with you and Ds? what is Ds's stay for (if you dont mind me asking?)

Gah! I cannot sleep tonight, at 6am we start a 2 week stint in hospital with DS1 3 hours from home :( I had to leave DS2 with my sister and he called me to tell me he was sad because he missed us
Bloody hate Cystic Fibrosis so much right now, selfishly a bit annoyed on top for missing my Birthday for the 3rd year in a row due to hospital stuff.

On the ttc side of things I am starting the dreaded 2ww, first one but I remember from ttc DS2 how horrid it is. Bizarrely I am already crampy and irritable, but that is likely to be endo.

I hope tomorrow is as easy as can be for you tas I know that it won't be but hopefully you kwim.

We can metal together then martha I am awash with milestones at the moment though. Counting down to 14w round your anniversary/DH birthday then I have mini-toe's due date a couple of weeks after that (Mar 28), then a few days after that I have the gestation-of-death milestone for mini-toe (april 3) and then the gestation-of-birth milestone after that (april 6). To be honest they aren't all negative. Mini-toe's DD will be hard, but if I'm still pregnant April 6 it'll feel positive.

Never mentioned the 6 year anniversary of my first either that was last month. So many funny milestones. I wonder how long we'll remember them for. When we're old and can't tell our great grandchildren apart, will we remember the dates of our lost babies? I think we will.

I wish I could help leedy but I'm not the cycle expert. I wouldn't call you geriatric though! All I know is I've hovered round 27-30 and the three day difference always seemed to come off the luteal phase but it hasn't seemed to have made much difference conception-wise. Sorry about AF, though. I wish I could help.

Thinking of you tomorrow tas

(by "shorter than usual", I mean 12 days, not like, 3, or something)

Oh tas, I'm so sorry.

In less horrible news, turns out my temperature spike around 9 DPO was ... nothing. AF joined me yesterday.

Admittedly I'm only three months out from a miscarriage and possibly shouldn't be expecting cycles of textbook beauty, but my last two have been only 26 days and I'm usually around 28. And the last one seemed to have a shorter than usual luteal phase. Hrmm. Any thoughts, other than "miscarriages muck with your cycle", "what do you expect, you're geriatric", etc.?

thanks manda didn't see your post til just now. So sorry about Teddy . It is just bad luck, I can't help thinking, if it had just made it a couple of centimetres further, it would have been ok.

Physically I just have a few aches, no pain, which is a blessing. I can't help thinking what would happen to people who weren't so anal about charting and recording all their AFs and ovulation. I have very irregular periods and virtually no symptoms of an EP. Because I'm so anal about these things I knew something wasn't right, but if I wasn't so "regimented", the first I'd know about it would be collapsing in terrible agony!

i found out about my two mc's on fridays and hated that being left all weekend thing as well. it's awful. i ended up ringing the samaritans at one low point as i didn't know who else to speak to - amazing what mc can do to you. luckily a nice woman answered and she just listened whilst i told her my story. it was really nice actually to tell a stranger and not get silly comments like some 'helpful' friends/family try to make.

i know bosses don't always see it this way but pregnancy related sickness shouldn't affect your sickness record at work legally. they can't use it for disciplinary etc. at my work you get put on a report after three episodes of sickness in a certain timeframe but anything pg related is ignored. i wouldn't even class this as sick leave. i would never mention it if i went for another job etc.

oh pebs that's a lovely message and a really good idea to go away. DH is talking about taking me away from it all! I am eating homemade cake right now, and as cake is a big love in my life, I'm ok right now.

Generally I'm pretty fed up and angry, going through all the "why meeeeeee!!???", fed up at being left all weekend to stew. The lovely nurse was talking about me coming in today (Sunday) and having more bloods to keep an eye on me, but the crappy doc just said come back Monday and don't be alone at the weekend (essentially in case I collapse). Great. I'm going to take 2 weeks off work, but I've only been back a couple of months after 3 wks off for the MMC. I've never had so much time off sick in my life.

pebs the 3+ is good, but keep an eye on everything (don't know why I said that, that's all you'll be doing!! ) Quite a few friends have had full on bleeding and cramps (including a sudden BFN!) and everything was fine. Though once you've had a bad experience, no pregnancy will be stress free, keep us posted.

i like the sound of your explanation for my spotting. lets hope it's something that simple.

it all started with that bloody uti i got on cd 23. this spotting started that day and i have only had a couple of days off from it since. it just seems to come when i wee but it's coming from my fanjo. i don't get anything on a pad or knickers.

it's good reassuring news about the 3+ though isn't it?

that looks lovely manda this one looks great

i ended up going on a cruise a week after my 20 week mc as i wouldn't have been able to sunbathe swim etc as i was still bleeding a bit. the cruise really filled my time up as it was a different city to explore everyday and the evenings were full of meals, casino, shows etc i would recommend one to anyone who doesn't want to sit around worrying about mc, ttc etc all day!.