Angels and Rainbows - The beauty of a rainbow does not negate the ravages of the storm. But it can provide colour and hope.

Cheese your right with the steroid injections, they nip a bit but we are tough chicks and can deal with that! I'll be thinking of you and your wee one and hope that all goes well. I know it's scary and worrying with everything happening so fast, but please try and relax and keep yourself calm (I know!!!!) you'll be well looked after and monitored xx
Too I could see massive reasons for taking it further but can also see that it could cause you excessive stress. Only you will know what is best for you and yours and for your precious angel xx
Hi everyone x

Mum is a solicitor and she told them that if there is ever a dispute between client and solicitor then the client's word is automatically taken unless the solicitor had made a note there and then. The reasoning is that this is a one-off occasion for the client whereas the solicitor will have dozens of transactions to deal with and so it is more likely that the client is right. They just shrugged when she said that - it's clearly not NHS policy! They are sending us details of how to complain to the midwifery council, a copy of the minutes from the meeting and a copy of the complaint investigation, so we'll know what to do when that arrives.

Spilt, glad Freya is doing well! I just thought WTW had mixed us up as well.

Hope you're ok, Cheese.

Trickle, glad to hear from you. at your hospital not giving you an electric wheelchair during pregnancy, though. You shouldn't be made to feel like a 'stupid disabled woman' by anyone! It is your prerogative to start a family whenever you please - grr.

Hello, everyone else! Fan, yes you are weird for liking AF cramps! How can you??

No worries wtw I just thought you'd mixed me up with too over baby names. Freya is doing great just wearing me out as she's sleeping really badly. She's working on sitting up and chewing anything she can get her hands on, and laughing which is gorgeous.

too what a fiasco of a meeting. I can't imagine how angry you must be to be dismissed like that

cheese hang in there, so close now. It sounds like you are being really well looked after, I hope it helps. Big hugs, your rainbow girl will be here so soon now.

*Cheese^ you re nearly there.at least they re taking good care of you & continuous monitoring. The steroid injections weren t painful everyone had told me they were but I can honestly say I didn feel a thing. As with any injection it's down to the person administrating it. You ve come through much, much worse & you re so nearly there.
Toi sorry, you feel fobbed off. Xxx
Must rush off to baby massage. Hi all xxx

Just had a thought cheese that if it does seam that you are going to have to have your lil one early then maybe get a baby blanket and sleep with it skin to skin, so when shes here she can have it with her in the incubator. This is what my sister in law did, Fletcher still sleeps with it today. It helps them settle and also it helps bonding.

cheese ecv scare me also, after seeing one done on telly, I think they are horrible.

fanjo I totally get that and feel the same. I'm dubious about letting them try an ECV too, they tried with Scarlett (and failed she wouldn't budge) but her health wasn't an issue by then :( and they thought a normal birth would be easier but she was delivered breech in the end (just).

cheese I'm sure if its classed as an emergency then it will be a c-section so trying to turn her will not help. I understand what u mean about her getting tangled, ophelia died from an actual knot in her cord probably because she moved to much I'm not sure. But I think next time I might just let nature take its course rather than try and make more room just incase it was to happen to me again.

fanjo Oh definitely, I'll do whatever it takes but I'll still worry endlessly about it!

Too I'm quite worried about trying anything to turn her in case she gets tangled up to be honest, I know that's rare but we still don't know for sure how Scarlett died (and never will) and as she did deliver wrapped in her cord it's a worry. She was breech too. Dd1 was born at 36 weeks after my waters broke and stayed in scbu for a week, she's almost 10 now!

The steroids hurt briefly and then you can feel it going down your leg for a minute or so, it aches for a few mintues from what I remember and it's an odd sensation but isn't that bad at all.

Sorry to hear the review didn't go well, I think that's awful that the hospital just refused to accept what both you and dh said! I think you'd be right to take it further and I'd do the same.

too that I'm sure is so hard to take, why do they not believe you, its shocking and not right. And do they really think u wouldn't remember every part of that day. What happens now? Do they think it is now over? Or can u take it further?

too I am so sorry about the meeting it must have been so hard. I am shocked that they did not listen to you or dh, I am so on your behalf. Zoe had a normal heart rate reading and had died 30 mins later.
I hope you and bean are ok?

Cheese, thinking of you. Glad to hear LO is still active. At 32 weeks she'd still have room to turn and I'm sure I've read tips to get breech babies to move - things like getting down on all fours, or walking upstairs sideways. Goodness, you might get to meet your rainbow baby much sooner than anticipated! How early was your other baby - was it DD1 who was premature? I was born at 35 weeks (EMCS after cord began to prolapse) and was absolutely fine, and that was in 1983 and I'm sure medical science has taken quantum leaps since then.

Am freaked out to hear that steroids hurt...I have to have them at 36 weeks. Oh well.

We had our complaint review session with the hospital on Monday. They had investigated the MW and reviewed 10 random sets of case notes and apparently she always fills in the notes really well. We weren't disputing that - we were disputing the veracity of her note-taking! Apparently she swears she took a sonic aid heartbeat reading after doing my VE to establish that I was 3 cm, and they believe her because 'women in labour may be in pain and distracted'. I said DH wasn't in labour, but they wouldn't budge. It is just not possible for both of us to have missed her doing a sonic aid reading, given that they make a noise! You can hear the heartbeat - there is just no way we could have missed that. I was in early labour and the room had only me, DH and MW in it and I was perfectly in control of myself. I'd had some co-codamol 3 hours before, nothing else. Apparently it is also possible for babies to have perfectly normal heartbeat readings even if they are discovered to be dead 20 minutes later. I just don't believe that. Anyway, we have the option of taking it further, to the midwifery council, but as far as the hospital are concerned it is case closed. I think we might take it to them. I'm just so angry that they automatically decide not to believe us and ignore the evidence. The best possible spin I can put on it is that the MW has honestly mixed me up with another patient. DH thinks she knows perfectly well that she didn't take the reading and is lying to cover her back.

cheese I would be doing the same in yours shoes. Dont have any experience of c-section myself, my brother was born that way. I'm sure angel will be along shortly to tell u her experience. I have known lots of babies born early and they are all well, and just think a little bit of pain is nothing to bare if it brings ur little one safe into the world.

Thank you both. Just called in and the labour ward is full so they've told me to go in tomorrow morning instead. Had a good chat on the phone first to make sure all was well, baby is active too and my numbers are a little higher albeit without insulin so there is something going wrong but just isn't a complete emergency yet.

I have a day now to do lots of research and try to get my head around a possible section and early delivery! So scared. I've had steroids before and I remember the stinging and aching down my leg afterwards!

Trying to stay relaxed about things but it's all so scary.

cheese thinking of you, your in the best place. My nephew was born at 35 weeks and was in an incubator for two and he's fine, really happy wee boy.

I'm here on my blackberry all day, so if you do have wifi then I will be here for you to talk to if you need it.

Good luck.

Morning all. Quick update from my phone. I had the iron on Monday and that was ok other than a failed (painful) cannula and then the second was fine. My sugar levels have dropped a lot, as well as my insulin needs, so they decided to keep me in as it's a sign of placental insuffiency.

Had a scan yesterday and lots of ctgs, which looked good, but they're still concerned. They let me home for the evening (was dh's birthday yesterday!) but I'm going back to be admitted today for more iron and also steroids for the baby's lungs in case they need to deliver before 34 weeks!

Not sure what's going to happen, I'm really scared, and she's breech so assuming any delivery would have to be a section. Hoping she hangs in there for a bit longer. The consultant said we need to decide where the best place for the baby is after weighing everything up and that place might be an incubator. Depends how my blood sugar is looking too but they don't seem keen to leave her inside me much longer.

Hoping to get a wifi connection at the hospital later so I should be able to catch up and browser etc then too. Hope all are well xx

Thanks for the lovely comments whatever.

I have been asked if I have children, I say yes but she died. It feels so strange, this time last year we were excitedly decorating the nursery and fighting over names. I can't believe it has almost been a year since since she was born. Dh and I want to do something to celebrate her birthday, but we are struggling for ideas.

blue can you please send cheese my love, I am thinking of you cheese your in the best place and Im wishing for a safe arrival of your lil one.

I have a tattoo of Ophelias name on my wrist and I do get asked what it is and what it says and I always say its my daughters name, I have been asked if I have any children and I have always said no, because she is no longer here, but I will tell people when I am next pg, that its the second time I have been pg and all about Ophelia if they can handle it.

ah sorry I've got cheese on FB, she was allowed home after her transfusion, but has to go back in tomorrow for more iron and steroids. Baby could be delivered anytime due to her blood sugar levels, so they're monitoring her very closely!

Seem to have missed loads while posting

shakey I don't think we have 'met' but glad to hear you are ok, hope everything runs nice and smoothly from now on fx

wtw and blue that's really sweet of your girls made me grin :)

I can't seem to find what's happened to cheese is she OK?

I could barely move at the end of the last pregnancy but I swear all the lying on my front in the pool helped Sproglet to turn easily - never do breaststroke, but it did give him loads of room.

Fan and miasmummy here's to this cycle xx

Hope everyone else is doing fine - I've been sick so I think I'm definatly pregnant. I keep wierding the P.A. out with it though, I make no noise so she turns around and I've thrown up without her knowing - freaked hubby out last time too lol

trickle good to hear from you. What a mess, I still cant beleive they will not provide you with a chair, shocking! Also shocking that you are going to have to revert to crawling around to get to things while pg. Im loving you positive outlook though.

I came home today to a new present from DH, hes given me his laptop. Its only a few months old and I was borrowing it to come on here when I was fed up with my blackberry. And well he has decided that he doesnt like laptops, he prefers his pc, which he was going to sell, so hes rebooted that and given me his laptop. Yayyyyy, so now I can search for things with out him thinking Im ttc mad! and also I can be on here alot more in the evenings!

Im feeling better today, took a long walk in the winter sun at lunch really helped me out, I love being outside.