TTC/ pregnancy on Prednisolone or similar part 3

Just popping in to give hugs to Ari x sad for you but glad at least you don't have to go through an Erpc x

Sorry not to post more am knackered too so hope to catch up properly soon x

Ari sorry to hear that you were right and that there was nothing left at the scan. That's far better than seeing a dead foetus and wondering whether to go for the D&C or wait it out though. Like you say, at least it means you can move on quicker and start to TTC again. People that haven't been through this don't understand that it's the thought of getting pregnant again and hoping the next time will be the jackpot that keeps us going.

My DH doesn't understand my need to keep the sibling gap small either. My DD is 3.5 now and I wanted less than a 5 year gap (ideally 3 years). Every month that goes by makes me feel more desperate about it! We had a big argument last night when we should have been BDing as he told me we will never get pregnant with how uptight I am about TTC. He says he is really miserable and feels like it is taking over his life as that's all I talk about. He also doesnt want to hear about it anymore and won't keep trying for much longer - talk abotu put the pressure on even more. Does anyone else's DH/partners feel like this? Its hard to get them in the 'romantic' mood when they know there is an ulterior motive.

Kittens how long have you been TTC for?

Breezy a holiday will be lovely and a good break from the whole process.

Free I was only hot in my last trimester, not in the first one.

Cheerful has the spotting stopped now?

Snoopy I know what you mean about reminders as my local EPU is next to the gym I go to so I am always reminded of it.

Quick question for the ladies in their 2nd trimester (Stogan, Digi, Comedy, Coconut, Iggi) - how many of you have been using acupuncture on this pregnancy? I am considering it to regulate my cycle again but its the cost factor again. I would rather pay for the superovulation I think - Duggs I will be asking you about this on Saturday!

Hey kittens maybe a silly q - but why can't you go on the super ov programme anyway. If you r not ovulating then it will make u ovulate and if u r it will be stronger and he will tell u exactly when?? What r all the other tests you talk about? Why would u need those when you've already been pregnant ? Sorry to ask so many questions. X

Hello Ari, so sorry to hear your suspicions were confirmed. Totally understand what you mean about your deadlines and the pressure being off. I do wish you every success in the New Year though.

Sorry to hear you've had a tough day today Choccy. I bet you just wanted to tell everyone at work to bugger off and leave you alone.

My appointment was, well, potentially expensive. He has recommended various fertility tests. Most of the blood tests can be done on NHS but there's the HYFOSY scan which, if I can't get on the NHS or if it takes ages to get an appointment will cost me £450 with him. This is to make sure there is no scarring/ashermans/blocked tubes due to infection post last m/c etc. Then sperm analysis etc. Annoyingly I showed him my results from the day 21 test I had back in August, to which my GP and his colleague at St Helier both said looked fine and had showed that I'd ovulated and he said the opposite. Wish I'd known that sooner rather than wasting the last 4 months. Although it could've just been an anovulatory cycle I suppose. He did say it was a good sign that I was getting OV pains and +ve OPKs though. So, I will need to wait until next cycle to do these blood tests and just hope I am back from France in time for the first set which should be Day 1-3, then I need to do the "Day 21" tests twice in case I have a longer cycle (as they can be between 24-28 days), so once at Day 18-20 and again Day 21-23.... and hope I can get all these done before I need to go back to France. I'm assuming it's important to do all these tests in the same cycle. Then, if the problem is that I am not ovulating he will put me on the Superovulation programme. I dread to think what the plan will be if there's a problem with scarring or blocked tubes though. An expensive operation and time out of the game?

Just popping in quickly to say how sorry I am Ari to see your news. I know you were expecting it but it's still absolutely shite. :(

I confess to not having actually read through all today's posts, I've just gathered what Ari's news was. I've had a long and very tough day today tbh and am utterly drained. Not long been home and just need to switch off now. Will catch up properly soon.

/tired wave to everyone

Sigh!! So 5 of us got a BFP in November and 3 didn't get through 1st trimester. Umm. . . I wonder if dr s will try something different with u 3 in the new year? Let's hope that is your mc on pred behind you and you'll all sail through the next pregnancy. It just seems quite a lot of us - but it doesn't seem to put dr s off - it seems to make him even more determined. Is it a numbers game and we just have to keep going as long as our minds, bodies and bank accounts can last or until we are successful? Someone said last night we need to think of time before dr s as irrelevant. Starting again with the pred post diagnosis is what counts and it might not be perfect first time. Difficult to do, but there is logic in that approach. Dedicating 2012 to "the cause". Objective to have none of us 22 ladies on here this time in 2012. ( we can be somewhere else thread wise but preferably baby related). x

So sorry Ari. I know what you mean by relief, but it is all so unfair.
I don't know if this is a good or bad thing to say, but the next sibling to me was 6 and a half when I was born, and we were very close growing up. (And another sibling who's 15 years older than me wasn't close when I was a child, but is now we're adults!). I don't believe in a 'perfect' gap. Any child we had would be at the perfect time.

Really sorry to hear ur news ari but as u have already said it must also be a huge relief to know your body has "dealt with it" so to speak.

Big hugs sweety xxx

Ari really sorry to hear about your scan and i completely understand your being relieved at not having your body take weeks to sort its self out. Let's hope your acupuncturist works their magic and gets things back to normal again soon. Sending you a big hug.

Cheerful i hope your acupuncturist has managed to sort out your spotting.

Cherry and Sue sorry about your BFN.

It is blinking freezing today so no wonder you are feeling cold free. I have just whacked my heating up to 25 degrees as I am so cold and have my hot wheat cushion and a blanket over me on the sofa!!

It was really great to meet all you ladies last night and I'll definitely be up for doing it again in January. Duggs thanks so much for organising. Kittens when i was at work I used to slip out for the odd cigarette and was one of those dreaded social smokers when I went out with people from work, nicking cigarettes right, left and centre. OH didn't know and he hates smoking, so I used to have to rush into the bathroom, brush my teeth and spray perfume on me as soon as I got home so he wouldn't notice the smell!! Also Kittens hope your appointment with Mr S went well.

Have moved myself down to the WTTC as will probably give December a miss. OH and I are going on our first holiday together in nearly 4 years at the beginning of January and I don't want to be far, far away in the very early weeks or be spotting on a beach in my bikini!

waves to all!

Wednesday 7th December
BFP
2nd Trimester
Stogan - V high NKC - BFP 9/7/11 cycle#2- 26+4 Due 10/03/12 next scan 30/12
Digitalgirl - High NKC - BFP cycle#2 21+2 Due 16/04/12 MW appt 25/01
Coconutfeet - V High NKC, Factor II gene mutation, underactive thyroid - BFP pre-pred, started at 6 weeks ? 18+2 next scan 14/12
Comedy - V High NKC - BFP cycle#2 ? 15+4 due 26/5/12 next scan 12/12
Iggi - High NKC & Hypothyroidism - BFP cycle#2 - 15+0 anomaly scan Jan
BrownieGecko - High NKC, Hypothyroidism, & Glucose Intolerant. BFP on cycle 3 of Clomid -13+6 next scan?

1st Trimester
Freelance - V High NKC TTC#1 Hydroxchloroquine, Pred, Intralipids. Thyroid/hashimotos. MC 1st cycle. BFP#1 7+1 Scan 13/12
Arianhod - V High NKC, MTHFR homo, hypothyroid, TTC#2 BFP 2nd pred cycle LMP19/10. 7+0 Scan 7/12
Cheerfulcharlie - V High NKC, MTHFR/TTC 1/ (metformin, intralipids, no pred). LMP17/10(Ov'd 3rd Nov) 6+6 Scan 8/12.

TTC
Waiting to test
Cherrycheeks - V high NKC, TTC#2/ ov 25th-26th Nov 4th cycle of pred
batteryhen - High activation NKC, factor v leiden. TTC#1 Test 10 Dec
eurochick - TTC#1 Awaiting NKC results/period due 12 Dec.
coleyoz - V High NKC. TTC #2 - Test 12 Dec

Waiting to ovulate
Snoopygirl - V High NKC TTC, #2, ov 10th Dec ish
Havingkittens - Upgraded from High to V High NKC TTC #1
duggs1976 - High/V High NKC - TTC #1 - Superovulation cycle2
Suemays - V High NKC TTC#2. OV 23 Nov, testing on 7th December, pred cycle no. 3

WTTC
Hopefulfor2nd - High NKC = TTC in New Year
PQ77 - High NKC TTC #2 again from January (BFP cycle one but mc)
ScooterChaser - V High NKC - TTC#2
ChoccyPud - V High NKC - TTC#1
Breezyweezy - V High NKC - TTC#1 from January

Feel for you ari it is hard going in for these scans, knowing what you know. I'll have that experience tomorow afternoon at EPU, dreading it. I guess it was strange sort of relief not to find any complications and glad to hear Mr S was reassuring and kind. Makes a difference when the professionals are genuinely hopeful for us. I won't see him for about six weeks but I hope he is optimistic for me too.

Understand exactly about the goal posts, keep moving mine so much I have stopped trying to imagine age gaps and just figure DS will end up semi-parenting the next one with me.

Well I felt it was total therapy meeting up last night, it has been hard coming out of hiding but it was such a relief to talk to people who are genuinely interested, so knowledgeable and care. I feel like all my friends seeing me through this horrible process have nothing left to say to me this time, all the platitudes (and budgets for flowers and pick me ups!) were used up after the last one. So it was really good to spend time with people who really understand and actually have a whole lot to say. So thanks everyone and already looking forward to the next one :)

free if it helps I was permanently frozen in my first trimester with DS. Remember styling myself in layers of extra-thick wraparound cardigans so it didn't feel quite such a wrench from my fluffy dressing gown in the morning!

cheerful sorry to hear about the spotting, that's all you need right now. Hoping the acupuncture can nip it in the bud and give you a bit of a chillout zone. Try to imagine you're in cocoon house for half an hour, butler of your choice x

Ari sorry for your news but you obviously knew what the outcome was going to be and like you said if nothing there then that's something less to have to endure. I thought that about kids ages not being too far apart a couuple of yrs ago when he was 4 and have got past that one now. My son is 6 in jan and he would just be delighted with one whatever age it was and would just take over mummy duties I know (I wouldn't get a look in). Free is right there. My friend has a 21/18 and 6 yr old and she says the gap is nice as he adores his older brothers and they can babysit etc! Also the age gap when your older seems to matter less and you don't even notice it. I do understand though.

Went to hospital for eye probs this morning and had to walk past dreaded EPU. Last time I went about my eyes in jan I was pregnant. Everywhere I go reminds me "oh yeah I was pregnant last time we were here or saw them"

Sorry for the ladies that got BFN's in last couple of days.

cheerful Hope it's just general spotting your end and nothing more.

Need some bfp's to lift our spirits now......

I've been on 40mg of pred free, and in truth started the 'weaning' process at the weekend. I know we're supposed to do it 5mg every 4 days but I've gone for the every 2 day approach, so I'm down to 25mg as of tomorrow. I'll wait for one natural AF, then see what Louise says.

Oh, I forgot to mention, duggs I asked Mr S about superovulation and asked if it would be of any use to me. He said no, because I seem to fall pregnant fairly quickly (or at least I have up until now, not wishing to jinx future attempts!), then my ovulation is doing what it should do, and the superovulation plan wouldn't help me. Well, at least I asked :)

Well to be honest free, now that this one has failed the pressure on me to have a sibling for my DD has largely gone out of the window, so pragmatism is all I have right now. If this one had worked, then my DD would have been five and a half when the baby was born, which I figured was just ok, at the maximum end of my acceptable age difference between the two of them. Now that this one has failed, any subsequent pregnancy will result in the age gap being (I feel) too big between them for the baby to be the playmate for my DD that I wanted, so really, in a way some of the self-imposed pressure to meet a visible-only-to-me 'deadline' has been lifted. There is now nothing I can do to get my DD a sibling while she's still young enough, so now the baby will be only about adding to our family, and so some of the time pressure has gone. I still have the biological thing, but in a way, a bit of the intense pressure on myself to 'produce' has gone, which can only be good. I hope that makes sense to you guys, it doesn't mean in any way that I'm any the less determined to have this succeed, but perhaps I can stop beating myself up a bit that I'm failing. Hope that makes sense!

choccy When Mr S said to meet up with you in the New Year, did he actually suggest a date? Or tell you when to contact him? He didn't say to us, and I'm not sure when - presumably after the first natural AF it's ok to try again, I'm a bit confused as to when I should contact him/Cheryl for the next appointment.

Thanks digi :)

ari glad to hear you're ok and that the scan was a relief in some ways. Sorry you're back to square bloody one again, it's f**kin shite. But pleased you're not giving up hope. We're here to back you all the way.

Have list-merged:

Wednesday 7th December
BFP
2nd Trimester
Stogan - V high NKC - BFP 9/7/11 cycle#2- 26+4 Due 10/03/12 next scan 30/12
Digitalgirl - High NKC - BFP cycle#2 21+2 Due 16/04/12 MW appt 25/01
Coconutfeet - V High NKC, Factor II gene mutation, underactive thyroid - BFP pre-pred, started at 6 weeks ? 18+2 next scan 14/12
Comedy - V High NKC - BFP cycle#2 ? 15+4 due 26/5/12 next scan 12/12
Iggi - High NKC & Hypothyroidism - BFP cycle#2 - 15+0 anomaly scan Jan
BrownieGecko - High NKC, Hypothyroidism, & Glucose Intolerant. BFP on cycle 3 of Clomid -13+6 next scan?

1st Trimester
Freelance - V High NKC TTC#1 Hydroxchloroquine, Pred, Intralipids. Thyroid/hashimotos. MC 1st cycle. BFP#1 7+1 Scan 13/12
Cheerfulcharlie - V High NKC, MTHFR/TTC 1/ (metformin, intralipids, no pred). LMP17/10(Ov'd 3rd Nov) 6+6 Scan 8/12.

TTC
Waiting to test
Cherrycheeks - V high NKC, TTC#2/ ov 25th-26th Nov 4th cycle of pred
batteryhen - High activation NKC, factor v leiden. TTC#1 Test 10 Dec
eurochick - TTC#1 Awaiting NKC results/period due 12 Dec.
coleyoz - V High NKC. TTC #2 - Test 12 Dec

Waiting to ovulate
Snoopygirl - V High NKC TTC, #2, ov 10th Dec ish
Havingkittens - Upgraded from High to V High NKC TTC #1
duggs1976 - High/V High NKC - TTC #1 - Superovulation cycle2
Suemays - V High NKC TTC#2. OV 23 Nov, testing on 7th December, pred cycle no. 3
Breezyweezy -

WTTC
Hopefulfor2nd - High NKC = TTC in New Year
PQ77 - High NKC TTC #2 again from January (BFP cycle one but mc)
ScooterChaser - V High NKC - TTC#2
ChoccyPud - V High NKC - TTC#1
Arianhod - V High NKC, MTHFR homo, hypothyroid, TTC#2

oh arse - I've x posted

Lurking for news from ari hope you're ok.

cheerful boo to the spotting, hope acupuncture sorts it out. Good luck with your scan tomorrow.

Today's list - breezy you weren't on the list, so have added your name. Feel free to add your details

Wednesday 7th December
BFP
2nd Trimester
Stogan - V high NKC - BFP 9/7/11 cycle#2- 26+4 Due 10/03/12 next scan 30/12
Digitalgirl - High NKC - BFP cycle#2 21+2 Due 16/04/12 MW appt 25/01
Coconutfeet - V High NKC, Factor II gene mutation, underactive thyroid - BFP pre-pred, started at 6 weeks ? 18+2 next scan 14/12
Comedy - V High NKC - BFP cycle#2 ? 15+4 due 26/5/12 next scan 12/12
Iggi - High NKC & Hypothyroidism - BFP cycle#2 - 15+0 anomaly scan Jan
BrownieGecko - High NKC, Hypothyroidism, & Glucose Intolerant. BFP on cycle 3 of Clomid -13+6 next scan?

1st Trimester
Freelance - V High NKC TTC#1 Hydroxchloroquine, Pred, Intralipids. Thyroid/hashimotos. MC 1st cycle. BFP#1 7+1 Scan 13/12
Arianhod - V High NKC, MTHFR homo, hypothyroid, TTC#2 BFP 2nd pred cycle LMP19/10. 7+0 Scan 7/12
Cheerfulcharlie - V High NKC, MTHFR/TTC 1/ (metformin, intralipids, no pred). LMP17/10(Ov'd 3rd Nov) 6+6 Scan 8/12.

TTC
Waiting to test
Cherrycheeks - V high NKC, TTC#2/ ov 25th-26th Nov 4th cycle of pred
batteryhen - High activation NKC, factor v leiden. TTC#1 Test 10 Dec
eurochick - TTC#1 Awaiting NKC results/period due 12 Dec.
coleyoz - V High NKC. TTC #2 - Test 12 Dec

Waiting to ovulate
Snoopygirl - V High NKC TTC, #2, ov 10th Dec ish
Havingkittens - Upgraded from High to V High NKC TTC #1
duggs1976 - High/V High NKC - TTC #1 - Superovulation cycle2
Suemays - V High NKC TTC#2. OV 23 Nov, testing on 7th December, pred cycle no. 3
Breezyweezy -

WTTC
Hopefulfor2nd - High NKC = TTC in New Year
PQ77 - High NKC TTC #2 again from January (BFP cycle one but mc)
ScooterChaser - V High NKC - TTC#2
ChoccyPud - V High NKC - TTC#1

oh @rse, I messed up the bold bits. Trying again:

Weds 7th December

BFP
2nd Trimester

Stogan - V high NKC - BFP 9/7/11 cycle#2- 26+2 Due 10/03/12 next scan 30/12
Digitalgirl - High NKC - BFP cycle#2 21+0 Due 16/04/12 MW appt 25/01
Coconutfeet - V High NKC, Factor II gene mutation, underactive thyroid - BFP pre-pred, started at 6 weeks ? 18+0 next scan 14/12
Comedy - V High NKC - BFP cycle#2 ? 15+2 due 26/5/12 next scan 12/12
Iggi - High NKC & Hypothyroidism - BFP cycle#2 - 14+5 anomaly scan Jan
BrownieGecko - High NKC, Hypothyroidism, & Glucose Intolerant. BFP on cycle 3 of Clomid -13+4 next scan?

1st Trimester
Freelance - V High NKC TTC#1 Hydroxchloroquine, Pred, Intralipids. Thyroid/hashimotos. MC 1st cycle. BFP#1 7+1 Scan 13/12
Cheerfulcharlie - V High NKC, MTHFR/TTC 1/ (metformin, intralipids, no pred). LMP17/10(Ov'd 3rd Nov) 6+6

TTC
Waiting to test
Suemays - V High NKC TTC#2. OV 23 Nov, testing on 7th December, pred cycle no. 3
Cherrycheeks - V high NKC, TTC#2/ ov 25th-26th Nov 4th cycle of pred
batteryhen - High activation NKC, factor v leiden. TTC#1 Test 10 Dec
eurochick - TTC#1 Awaiting NKC results/period due 12 Dec.
coleyoz - V High NKC. TTC #2 - Test 12 Dec

Waiting to ovulate
Snoopygirl - V High NKC TTC, #2, ov 10th Dec ish
Havingkittens - Upgraded from High to V High NKC TTC #1
duggs1976 - High/V High NKC - TTC #1 - Superovulation cycle2

WTTC
Hopefulfor2nd - High NKC = TTC in New Year
PQ77 - High NKC TTC #2 again from January (BFP cycle one but mc)
ScooterChaser - High NKC
ChoccyPud - V High NKC - TTC #1
Arianhod - V High NKC, MTHFR homo, hypothyroid, TTC#2

Redoing the list so no-one else has to face moving me :)

Weds 7th December
BFP
2nd Trimester

Stogan - V high NKC - BFP 9/7/11 cycle#2- 26+2 Due 10/03/12 next scan 30/12
Digitalgirl - High NKC - BFP cycle#2 21+0 Due 16/04/12 MW appt 25/01
Coconutfeet - V High NKC, Factor II gene mutation, underactive thyroid - BFP pre-pred, started at 6 weeks ? 18+0 next scan 14/12
Comedy - V High NKC - BFP cycle#2 ? 15+2 due 26/5/12 next scan 12/12
Iggi - High NKC & Hypothyroidism - BFP cycle#2 - 14+5 anomaly scan Jan
BrownieGecko - High NKC, Hypothyroidism, & Glucose Intolerant. BFP on cycle 3 of Clomid -13+4 next scan?

1st Trimester
Freelance - V High NKC TTC#1 Hydroxchloroquine, Pred, Intralipids. Thyroid/hashimotos. MC 1st cycle. BFP#1 7+1 Scan 13/12
Cheerfulcharlie - V High NKC, MTHFR/TTC 1/ (metformin, intralipids, no pred). LMP17/10(Ov'd 3rd Nov) 6+6

TTC
Waiting to test
Suemays - V High NKC TTC#2. OV 23 Nov, testing on 7th December, pred cycle no. 3
Cherrycheeks - V high NKC, TTC#2/ ov 25th-26th Nov 4th cycle of pred
batteryhen - High activation NKC, factor v leiden. TTC#1 Test 10 Dec
eurochick - TTC#1 Awaiting NKC results/period due 12 Dec.
coleyoz - V High NKC. TTC #2 - Test 12 Dec

Waiting to ovulate
Snoopygirl - V High NKC TTC, #2, ov 10th Dec ish
Havingkittens - Upgraded from High to V High NKC TTC #1
duggs1976 - High/V High NKC - TTC #1 - Superovulation cycle2

WTTC
Hopefulfor2nd - High NKC = TTC in New Year
PQ77 - High NKC TTC #2 again from January (BFP cycle one but mc)
ScooterChaser - High NKC
ChoccyPud - V High NKC - TTC #1
Arianhod - V High NKC, MTHFR homo, hypothyroid, TTC#2

Hi ladies ... Well, back from Mr S, and no pregnancy at all visible on the scan, no pregnancy sac, nothing. Another early miscarriage, then.

Mr S was really, really nice, he said I mustn't give up on him yet, and seemed to take it almost personally that the pregnancy had failed. I kind of felt like reassuring him, I was sure right from the start it wasn't right, and as we've all said before, we're liable to "ordinary" factors for miscarriage just like any "normal" person. As with you choccy he wants to see us again in the New Year for the next plan, and he mentioned the hydroxchloroquine same as you free. He had an hCG test done, and also retested my NK cells - he said he'd let me know the outcome of those tomorrow (but he said that before when he took a blood sugar test last time I saw him, but I never heard back from him with the result so perhaps I have to contact him? I don't know). Mind you, the nurses couldn't get blood out for the tests - they took three attempts before they could get any blood! So four lots of needles for bloods today :(

In a way (and I'm sure you'll understand me here), Mr S seeing absolutely nothing at all on the scan is actually a bit of a relief, inasmuch as I am not faced with potentially having to wait for my body to sort itself out for weeks. I was dreading that. I'm not sure now how long it will take for my natural cycle to kick back in, I'm having acupuncture tonight so will ask her to give my body a bit of a helping hand in that department. And then it's back to the waiting game.

cheerful So sorry to hear you've had a bit of spotting, it's a complete head-f*ck this early pregnancy lark. Hopefully it's absolutely nothing, and your own acupuncturist can sort it out for you.

free if it's any help, I was really cold in my first trimester of pregnancy, I only started feeling hot (or rather, not feeling the cold) in my third trimester. That may just be me, but remember your hormones are adjusting all over the place, and everyone is different. I feel for you in the wait between scans, relevant dates, etc - hang in there, and vent to us :)

I'd like to meet up if poss when you do if it's late Jan - early Jan won't be possible due to birthdays/parties etc, but I'd like to try to come along if you make it late Jan.