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TTC/ pregnancy on Prednisolone or similar part 3

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freelancegirl · 22/11/2011 16:20

For those who are TTC/pregnant undergoing immunotherapy treatment. Current list as it stands, do feel free to come and join us, it's moving quickly round here!:

Tuesday 22nd November

TTC
Waiting to test
Snoopygirl - V High NKC TTC, will be Ist try with Pred, Intralipids on bfp Testing from 21/11
Havingkittens - Upgraded from High to V High NKC TTC #1 after 2 month break/testing 29 Nov -2 Dec depending on my resolve.
Waiting to ovulate
coleyoz - V High NKC. TTC #2 - ov 3 Dec (Pred and Intralipids at BFP)
duggs1976 - High/V High NKC - TTC #1 - Superovulation cycle1
batteryhen - High activation NKC, factor v leiden. TTC#1
Suemays - V High NKC TTC/ov 30th Oct. TTC#2.
Cherrycheeks - V high NKC, TTC#2/ ov 25th-26th Nov/ 4th cycle of pred
pureequeen - High NKC TTC #2 again from November (BFP cycle one but mc)
eurochick - TTC#1 awaiting first appointment (in Nov)/ov expected 28-30 Nov.
BFPSeeker

BFP
2nd Trimester
Stogan - V high NKC - BFP 9/7/11 cycle#2- 24+3 Due 10/03/12 next scan 30/12
Digitalgirl - High NKC - BFP cycle#2 -19+1 Due 16/04/12 anomaly scan 23/11
Coconutfeet - V High NKC, Factor II gene mutation, underactive thyroid - BFP pre-pred, started at 6 weeks ? 16+1 next scan 14/12
Comedy - V High NKC - BFP cycle#2 - 13+3 due 26/5/12 next scan 12/12
Iggi - High NKC & Hypothyroidism - BFP cycle#2 - 12+6 anomaly scan Jan

1st Trimester
BrownieGecko - High NKC, Hypothyroidism, & Glucose Intolerant. BFP on cycle 3 of Clomid - 11+4 next scan 28/11
Scooterchaser - V High NKC - BFP cycle1 - 8+1 Due 01/07/12. Scan 25/11
Freelance - V High NKC TTC#1 Hydroxchloroquine, Pred, Intralipids. Thyroid/hashimotos. MC 1st cycle. LMP18/10 - 4+6 - Scan 3/12
Arianhod - V High NKC, MTHFR homo, hypothyroid, TTC#2 BFP 2nd pred cycle LMP19/10. 4+5 Scan 7/12
Cheerfulcharlie - V High NKC, MTHFR/TTC 1/ (metformin, intralipids, no pred). LMP17/10(Ov'd 3rd Nov) 4+5 Scan 6/12.
ChoccyPud - V High NKC / TTC #1 BFP 4th Pred cycle LMP20/10 4+4. Scan 3/12.

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cherrycheeks · 12/12/2011 15:56

Hi ladies
I've also been lurking today but feeling a bit too miserable to post. Weird really as I'm not usually a misery guts- I'm pretty sure it's the pred, even though I stopped taking it last Thursday.

Congratulations on the bfp battery great news!

kittens my goodness, you have so much on your plate at the moment. Big hugs to you and your Mum. Hopefully you will get your bfp this month so you won't have to worry about planning your trips to France around ovulation.

free good luck with your scan tomorrow, hope the poker bum has eased off- I always find sipping hot water helps with wind.

Welcome to buster nice to have you join us in the cocoon house

duggs how is the superovulation going?

Waves to everyone else!

BFN for me this month. Its been the 4th cycle of pred for me so obviously feeing a bit down about it all. I'm still waiting for AF to arrive but have been spotting for 4 days- the pred has caused havoc with my cycle this month. I was planning to start the superovulation drugs but with Christmas around the corner I'm thinking about having a break this month and starting again in January- I think my body (and DH) needs a rest from it all. It also means we can have a little sunshine holiday after Christmas without worrying about a potential bfp and needing intralipids whilst we are away.

I actually can't wait for this year to be over- New year, new start! :)

duggs1976 · 12/12/2011 15:47

hey all, yes saturday lunch time.. kittens shame you can't make it, but we will do another we all get som much out of them.

Just got back to my desk after whizzing down to Harley Street to see Dr S. Kept imagining him with a moustache and mac.

Good news for me - he was really pleased how I responded to the 5mg letrozole/femara and the metformin. I have 3 follicles this time (as opposed to my 1 huge last time)

1 on the right 21mm and 2 on the left 14mm and 15mm.

I have to SWI tonight, wed and fri and take the trigger injection wed.
Start pred fri.

That is pretty clear and precise.

Sue, snoopy and kittens (if you need to know) that gives you an idea of what the £210 scan and consultation and £80 drugs give you each month.. a bit of a window. Not cheap but if it works then worth it. I have to say he said I had double the chance of PG this month. If I don't get a BFP then I would have 3 bad eggs and will feel really fed up. But he will repeat this again in Jan so surely it is a matter of time. I've got PG three times in 18 mths before so surely it has to happen this month or next month.

Anyway, enough about me and my follicle size.

Welcome to buster join us, come and meet up with us, you will get strength from the cocoon house and you will be successful.

free, iggi, battery waves and also to you lovely Farnham common ladies too... comedy, snoopy and scooter.

Better do some work now I guess before I am sacked...

snoopygirl · 12/12/2011 15:41

kittens crossed posts. Sending you big hugs, what a time you are having, like you say you've just got to try and deal with it best you can, you are incredibly strong. Bang on all you like, I hope this board gives you a little light relief/support sometimes, knowing we are all thinking of you and your Mum. I really hope you at least can have Christmas as home.
x

freelancegirl · 12/12/2011 15:06

I know snoopy! It is all rather ridiculous I admit. Luckily DH went out to work this afternoon and I have been able to shout all I need to when it feels like someone is shoving a hot poker up my arse! Thankfully it's feeling better now and the nausea has eased - but of course that makes me mental in a 'why am I feeling better?' way. Sigh...

Kittens I feel for you, I really do. What a horrible stage this is on your life, I do really hope there are some better times ahead. There has to be. Intriguing about the other jaw dropping stuff! You will have to PM us or tell us next meet up. Understand if you can't make the 28th.

I've been the same with lurking too Kittens as I have read everyone's news and then worried I couldn't do it justice in a small post or mentally grasp it all at the moment. I think the thing is, no-one minds if we miss anything and we all know it moves fast round here now there are a lot of us Natural Born Killers on the scene.

Am pretty sure I can make the 28th at the moment. Do we mean Jan? And at lunch time? If so, then yes. I have actually booked that holiday for the 31st Jan but who knows what state my body will be in by then - pregnant, not pregnant, miscarrying, pregnant with problems and unable to fly.... No idea.

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Arianrhod · 12/12/2011 15:00

Just a very quickie as have school run to do in a min, but just wanted to say kittens don't feel you are "banging on" about you ... this is exactly the place to vent, let off steam, anxiety, worries and anything else you (and everybody else) wants to. We are happy to hear anything you want to say, so you go on right ahead. I know everyone is dealing with their own stuff but really, you have so very much you're handling (and unbelievably staying strong throughout), and no-one on here will mind you venting just as much as you like. hugs for your problems, stay strong.

free huge good wishes and hugs to you too for your scan tomorrow, will be thinking of you. Do let us know how you get on.

And duggs, how did/is your OV scan go/going?

snoopygirl · 12/12/2011 14:56

Ahh free I am killing myself laughing at your poker episode - I am so sorry as it's sounds bloody painful but that is hilarious, will show DH later...only joking!
Look we've got to laugh or else we'll be sobbing. The best thing about this thread is the great sense of humour you all have in spite of everything. x

peppermint tea anyone?

Havingkittens · 12/12/2011 14:47

Hello there. Big welcome to Buster.

I've not been ignoring the thread, I've been lurking a bit but the truth is that my head feels fit to burst at the moment and once I've read all the posts I've forgotten who said what so I've not been posting much because I don't want to be all me, me, me, having not acknowledged all the difficulties or concerns you are all going through at the moment. My brain is pretty chaotic and I can't seem to retain much extra information.

Unfortunately I don't think I will make the 28th. I have been sitting here with a selection of different coloured highlighter pens trying to work out how I can fit my next trip to France around all my cycle days and proposed tests. It's a complete nightmare to work out because I don't even know exactly how long my cycles will be. Anything from 24-28 days, so i am having to cover all my options. There is a window of 6-7 days during all of this that I can be away from home and that is 22-28 Jan. I thought it was hard enough planning my trips around when I am going to be ovulating but that was nothing compared to this puzzle! It really is the last thing I bloody need right now but hey, life seems to like throwing everything at me at once at the moment so I just have to wade through it all.

Thanks for asking how my mum is. She is still in hospital and will be in there for at least a few more days now. Her shingles don't seem to be bothering her that much but they have found her infection is in the central line box where her protein/antibiotics drips go in so they are going to put her on more antibiotics to see if they can tackle this without removing and replacing the box a second time. I really hope they can, otherwise I fear we may be spending Christmas around a hospital bed. She plays her cards pretty close to her chest and tells me she is feeling ok but I don't really believe her. She sounds very flat and I know she is constantly exhausted and very depressed, especially being in the hospital.

The combination of these two things are enough to really do my head in, but are only half of the upsetting things that are going on at the moment. One of which I can't really talk about on a public forum but it's pretty jaw dropping.

Anyway, sorry to bang on about myself.... again!

Iggi I hope your bleed is nothing more than asprin related. It's so annoying that this has to happen so soon after an encouraging scan. Why can't we all just have some plain sailing for a change?

Choccy, Scooter, Ari, how are you all getting on? Choccy, I too am completely astounded at your BIL's lack of empathy. I hope he's remembered by now how you must be feeling and now feels like shit Angry

I'm sorry, I can't remember who asked, I have had anything ranging from a couple of glasses of wine to a night out drinking on the pred without any problems. I am fully planning to get drunk this weekend (by god, I need it!) and will be on the pred.

If anyone's looking for a bit of uplifting distraction, go and see the film "Hugo". I went to see it last night and it made me smile so much. Wonderful film!

I think I'm ovulating today (if I actually am ovulating nowadays) so will add myself to the 2ww list in the next couple of days.

Apologies to those who've I've not said hi to. Doesn't mean I'm not thinking about you.

freelancegirl · 12/12/2011 14:41

Finally. Am back home and back online. Had a bit of a social whirl of a weekend interspersed with plenty of lying around in pyjamas. But the lunches and nights out have been hard going ? there?s only so much interest when everyone else is drinking, you?re pretending to drink but are actually really tired and very distracted.

Iggi I am so sorry that once again this isn?t a plain sailing pregnancy for you. All I can say is what the others have said ? it?s great that the baby is there and is ok and also so many people do have bleeding and are fine and you just have to hold onto that ? that it might be ?just one of those things?. Not easy though I know. What is the next step for you? Has there been any more spotting? I notice from the list (thanks so much for doing that Digi, it really does help) that you are almost 16 weeks so I really do hope that it can be counted as a normal pregnancy now. I know there will never be a time you completely relax though, same for all of us.

Buster, so great that you have joined us. Glad to see you have been added to the list. It?s so nice that other people take comfort in us all being here together and sharing knowledge, experience, support etc. Feck knows we have needed it!

That?s really interesting what Mr S said about your high levels as I never managed suss out as to whether higher meant less chance of success. I did suss out that it might do though. You are actually our first thread buddy who has higher cells than I do ? Cherry has the same as me at 3.79. I don?t actually mind those estimated stats though, I think they are pretty good. He did say I (and therefore you) are in the top 5% of levels he sees. Like someone said there is a pregnant lady on the BC boards with higher than us and also (Digi might remember her name, was it Pink...?) there was one on the recurrent buns/graduates thread with higher than us and she has recently had a baby. So it?s not bad news at all I guess. And good that Battery was able to step in with some injecting info!

Oh as regards drinking on Pred my professional opinion (?) is go ahead! Like Snoopy says. I did and was fine. I was limiting myself to a slightly less binge that is normal ? three small glasses of wine on a night ? but other than that I don?t think there are any warnings not to. I limited myself partly because of being in the 2ww too.

Two nurses, hey. You two will come in handy in our Cocoon House. Can we have beauty therapist next please? I really need someone to be able to do facials and try to get rid of these increasingly obvious dark circles and bags under my eyes. Google that with Prednisolone and apparently it?s a common side effect.

Battery, I think they will scan you at St Mary? you know! They did me. It?s funny as we anticipated this might happen didn?t we. What time is your appointment? Yes it might be too early to see anything except a sac at this point but it will be good to know it is in the right place etc. Just flicking through the list again and see you don?t have to have intralipids.

Cheerful ? how are you today? Did you organise a scan? My symptoms are very on and off too. I have nausea and tiredness and then nothing. Most of the time I walk around feeling like I am recovering from bad sickness but the bad sickness never actually hit me. Boobs are definitely variable with only slight soreness from time to time.

Today I have (a bit Xmas Blush about mentioning this as I know that other people and people's DH's lurk and read) really awful trapped wind pains. You know the feeling that someone is shoving a poker up your arse...?! It stopped me in my tracks when walking early and I had to shout out. Thankfully things seem to be moving a bit but the bloating is a real problem.

Glad Snoopy, Sue, Duggs, Scooter and Comedy had a good meet up! (Did I miss anyone?). It really is great to be able to talk about these things freely with people who understand I find.

Yes Coconut you are right about throwaway remarks. And I guess as she is 50 she meets people who either have children or are never going to have children. I meet people all the time who are still undecided or yet to have them! So she is talking about her own social network. But I am sure too that you are right, we have all probably said things at times that have affected others and we hadn?t realised. I have asked people with one child already whether they were going to have a second (sometimes as a non-parent you find yourself asking inane questions like that at gatherings for small talk) and you never know they could have been having problems. I used to think it was quite an innocent question actually, but not now obviously.

So yes, it is indeed my scan tomorrow with Mr S and I have to say I am bricking it. It would be 8 weeks to the day of LMP. I have to leave home at 6.15am and get two trains to Epsom by 8am! And I will be on my own. So it?s either a sad journey home not long after or another intralipids session directly after scan. I am not sure what to say really, just sit here and inwardly panic. Nothing I can do except make sure I get there. Every day seems so bloody crucial at the moment ? those 7.0, 7.1, 7.2 markers. Then I guess even if it is still alive I will be thinking the same about those 8.1, 8.2 etc etc days which also seem so crucial. Aggggh!!

Hope everyone else is ok and sorry not to name check all xx

PS Yay for the new list 3rd Trimester Category! NK cells be damned, we are ganging up and fighting you in our scores!

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suemays · 12/12/2011 14:05

Iggi just when you think you can let your guard down this happens. We will all be keeping everything crossed for you and hopefully it will be nothing. Have you and your DH been BDing as that can cause bleeding?

Comedy are you getting signed off today with Dr S or is it tomorrow? Good luck!

Battery good luck at St Marys and with the scan. I have been charting for a couple of months but as I had a heavy cold last month I wasn't getting accurate readings - I couldnt even close my mouth to take the temp as couldnt breathe! Fertility friend could not tell whether I have ovulated or not as my temps were all over the place! I am hoping this month will be better but I was also getting a bit obsessive with temping and POAS etc so trying to relax a bit now and using my fertility monitor. Got a high reading today so am guessing I will be OV in the next few days.

Duggs I will be interested to hear how your scan goes today.

Buster welcome to our sanctuary - I dont know what I would do without the ladies on here so I hope you find the same comfort too!

Digi art vouchers sound like a good idea, better than getting him something he doesnt want!

Waves to everyone else in the cocoon house!

digitalgirl · 12/12/2011 14:04

Have updated list, will try and press correct button this time.
stogan Have created a whole new category for you in the 3rd trimester Grin
free good luck with your scan tomorrow. Is that with Mr S or are you going back to St Mary's?
buster have added you, feel free to put more details on there.
Quite a few scans this week, looking forward to lots of good news.

Monday 12th December
BFP
3rd Trimester
Stogan - V high NKC - BFP 9/7/11 cycle#2- 27+2 Due 10/03/12 next scan 30/12

2nd Trimester
Digitalgirl - High NKC - BFP cycle#2 22+0 Due 16/04/12 MW appt 25/01
Coconutfeet - V High NKC, Factor II gene mutation, underactive thyroid - BFP pre-pred, started at 6 weeks ? 18+6 next scan 14/12
Comedy - V High NKC - BFP cycle#2 ? 16+2 due 26/5/12 next scan 12/12
Iggi - High NKC & Hypothyroidism - BFP cycle#2 - 15+4 anomaly scan Jan
BrownieGecko - High NKC, Hypothyroidism, & Glucose Intolerant. BFP on cycle 3 of Clomid - 14+4 next scan?

1st Trimester
Freelance - V High NKC TTC#1 Hydroxchloroquine, Pred, Intralipids. Thyroid/hashimotos. MC 1st cycle. BFP#1 7+6 Scan 13/12
Cheerfulcharlie - V High NKC, MTHFR/TTC 1/ (metformin, intralipids, no pred). LMP17/10(Ov'd 3rd Nov) 7+4 Scan 12 weeks
batteryhen - High NKC, factor v leiden. TTC#1 BFP cycle?. 4+2

TTC
Waiting to test
Cherrycheeks - V high NKC, TTC#2/ ov 25th-26th Nov 4th cycle of pred
eurochick - TTC#1 Awaiting NKC results/period due 12 Dec.
coleyoz - V High NKC. TTC #2 - Test 12 Dec
Snoopygirl - V High NKC TTC, #2, testing 17th Dec

Waiting to ovulate
Havingkittens - Upgraded from High to V High NKC TTC #1
duggs1976 - High/V High NKC - TTC #1 - Superovulation cycle2
Suemays - V High NKC TTC#2.
buster76 - V High NKC, Factor V Leiden.

WTTC
Hopefulfor2nd - High NKC TTC in New Year
PQ77 - V High NKC TTC #2 again from January (BFP cycle one but mc)
ScooterChaser - V High NKC - TTC#2
ChoccyPud - V High NKC - (chem pg cycle 2 of pred (only found afterwards), mc @c.5 wks cycle 4 of Pred, confirmed @6wk scan) TTC#1, review w/Dr S 14 Jan.
Arianhod - V High NKC, MTHFR homo, hypothyroid, TTC#2
Lemonsherbet - awaiting results
Breezyweezy - V High NKC - TTC#1 from January

digitalgirl · 12/12/2011 12:07

Dammit! Did the list then pressed the wrong button, grrr. Will try again later.

good luck to comedy - you're down for a scan today. Is that still on?

digitalgirl · 12/12/2011 11:42

iggi sorry to hear you've had a scare. Important thing is that baby is fine. Now you need to take it easy and make sure you're fine. Annoying how they couldnt see where the bleeding was coming from. Maybe it was your cervix? Or perhaps it was a hormonal thing? I can't remember how many weeks you are I will have to dig out the list. Are you still on aspirin? That may have made what would have been a teeny bit of spotting into something that looked a lot worse than it was.

buster welcome to the thread, I was hoping battery would pop in as a fellow factor v bod. Sorry for your losses, but hopefully your luck will take a turn for the better now you're starting the steroid treatment.

battery Good luck at St Mary's tomorrow. Is it your first appointment there?

duggs good luck with your follicle scan today. Hope follicles have reacted better to the metformin and increased dosage of letrazole.

ari pleased to hear hcg is finally behaving itself. Hopefully cycles should return to normal soon. Your dd sounds a lot like my ds.

choccy I forgot to register my own shock at your BIL's heartless text. Especially after his own experience. Selfish blokism I expect. I can't imagine his wife would have responded in the same way. Hope you're feeling better after a restful and indulgent weekend.

Cards are written and posted. DS's presents are bought. DH's xmas present has been ordered. Think I'll get him art vouchers for his birthday - is that a cop out for a 40th? I think he'll enjoy choosing something.

snoopygirl · 12/12/2011 11:01

sorry iggi just saw your post, Thank god scan was ok and try to relax if that's possible x

snoopygirl · 12/12/2011 11:00

Morning all and welcome Buster.

Hope you find some comfort/good advice on this thread if not a few laughs. My Dad and partner been over this Sun and asked me how getting on with treatment, and they look at me like I'm almost making it up! does sound weird though like some dodgy B movie "Attack of the Killer Cells". the sort of crap movie my husband loves!

I am still having the odd glass of wine on steroids but no effects that I know of. My count was 3.16 and Dr S didn't say anything to me about the fact that I was in the less success bracket. Although on the other hand free on here has higher count and is pregnant and there is a lady on BC board who has 4.16 and is about 20 weeks pregnant. So there is still a very good chance for you.

duggs good luck with you Sup Ov scan today.
cheerful hope everything better with you after you spotting at weekend. and good luck with your scan too for tues.

Arianrhod · 12/12/2011 10:53

Morning ladies, how is everyone today?

iggi So sorry you've had a little scare ... definitely put your feet up and take it easy. It's good they didn't see any problems on the scan, it's rubbish that these things happen making it really difficult to relax and enjoy your pregnancy but unfortunately having had miscarriages in the past means none of us can ever truly relax I think. You take it easy, take care of you and your baby, and I hope you don't get any more scares.

Welcome buster, so sorry that you find yourself here (if you see what I mean!) but you're amongst friends and we're all going through the same things.

choccy how are you doing today? Taking things a bit easy?

free and how are you feeling?

kittens how are you doing, and how is your Mum?

/waves to everyone, hope you're all doing good today!

batteryhen · 12/12/2011 10:29

morning all! iggi How scary for you - remind me how many weeks you are now? I am glad you got some reassurance from the scan, but it seems as soon as you start to relax another worry comes along! I think cup of tea and feet up is the way to go!
digi I do feel just normal. NO symptoms yet, boobs are only sore if I prod them, and feel well, normal.........It is early for symptoms though so I am just going along with it for now. Worrying won't change the outcome!
free how are you feeling now? Have you got a scan tomorrow?
duggs Are you gearing up for your next ov? I am waiting for you to join me ina nice xmas bfp!
kittens how is your mum? Are you ok - you have so much going on just now, I hope you are coping ok xx
sues are you charting your cycle at all? It might give you an idea of where you are?
buster welcome to our thread! I too am factor v and have to inject. I got a bfp on friday (have had 3 MMC) so early days for me. I am a nurse too, and the injecting is not too bad really. I got my colleague to do my first one on my last pregnancy, and then I was ok. Best way to do it - lie on the bed propped up with pillows, grab a handful of fat/skin from the tummy, put the needle in quickly and inject slowly. My dp does mine for me now, He seems to enjoy it. Wierdo.

I am ok, as I said I don't feel any different to any other day. I have my appointment tomorrow at St Marys and am a bit nervous about telling them I am pregnant. I doubt they will scan me - nothing to see yet I think.
digi I will book my 6 week scan this week so you can add it to the list. I think it will be around the 27th.

I hope everyone is ok xx day off for me today - hooray!

Buster76 · 12/12/2011 09:25

Hello!
Ive been 'lurking' for a while - my husband found it hilarious when I told him I was just going to 'lurk' on a forum. It does come in handy for him though when he wants to watch the football - he knows it keeps me quiet for hours, literally!!
Its so comforting hearing about RL people in similar situations, sometimes you feel like the only one going through it! When Ive told people Ive gone privately and being 'diagnosed' with very high killer cells, I worry they think Ive gone nuts! As no-one has ever heard of them!
Anyway to cut a long story short.....Ive already gone on a bit! Sorry!
Ive had 4 miscarriages, all between 6-9 weeks - seen a heartbeat with all of them. I was tested positive for factor v leiden also have a bicornuate uterus (Mum said that was romantic!). Saw Mr.S in September - apparantly have very high killer cells 4.1. He said his success rate would not be as high for me. Probably more like 70-75%
I'm going to start my first cycle with steroids next weekend, trying to be positive but very scared this is our last chance! At a BFP I need to start the usual, also clexane. Has anyone else used this? Did someone show you how to do it? Iam nurse......dont like the thought of injecting myself though!!
Also did anyone drink whilst on the steroids? I'm at a wedding at the weekend, wanted to have a couple but was worried it might send me 'funny' on the steroids!
Really lovely to hearing all your stories, you all sound like a lovely family! It does make you feel stronger knowing there are people out there just like you.

xx

iggi999 · 12/12/2011 09:02

Hi again, well never did get to catch up on the thread, saw some bleeding last night and spent a couple of hours in the hospital having a scan etc. Baby is alive (thank goodness) but no cause of bleeding found so who knows what is going to happen next. I was really starting to feel confident and happy in this past week, so I guess this is my payback Sad I'm snapping at ds today and just want to fast forward past this to whatever the end is going to be.

suemays · 11/12/2011 22:16

Snoopy Duggs Scooter Comedy it was great to meet you all yesterday - I left on a high and I can honestly say it was the first time I felt like I have laughed in ages! It was great to talk to people who understand and can offer other ideas and ways of dealing with things. It was a bit ironic that there were 2 lesbians on the table next to us and not a fur coat in sight!

Snoopy thanks for the offer of support etc, I may just take you up on that.

Duggs I will PM digi as my cycles are so messed up. Did another FRER test today which was a BFN so it was my AF coming early. Hopefully I should be OV this week so can start the process again.

Comedy you certainly are blooming in pregnancy. After everything you have been through, you deserve some good news with this pregnancy. It was interesting that Dr S told you that once you get to 10 wks and have a good scan you are more or less out of danger. I can only dream I will get to that stage!

Scooter you are coping so well and it was good to try and make some kind of sense of your recent miscarriage. Hopefully by the time Duggs has compiled her charts and lists we may know more than Dr S!!!

I will try and make it on 28th Jan but not 100% sure as its the FILs birthday that weekend so we might be out for a meal. I am also happy to meet up closer to Banbury or Farnham (in Surrey) another time.

Ari I read on another board somewhere that as honey promotes the immune system maybe we should avoid it? It makes sense as you drink honey and lemon when you have a cold etc. We are supposed to be controlling our immune systems with killer cells. I used to take bee pollen but have stopped now. I think Duggs needs to write all the 'facts' in her book for us as there are probably other bits of info that we might want to take heed on. So glad your levels have dropped - must be a big relief!

Cheerful my boobs would ache on and off with my DD so dont read too much into it.

Free its horrible in the first trimester when you want to tell people you are preg, especially to shut people up that are insensitive! Did she have kids? Maybe there is some underlying history with her?

Coconutfeet · 11/12/2011 21:36

Bloody hell Choccy ? your BIL is unbelievable. I understand that it?s a bit inconvenient for them but you?ve just lost a baby for God?s sake. I can?t believe how little compassion he?s got, especially as they?ve experienced a loss themselves.

Lemon ? Your MIL too! I wonder exactly how she thinks her comments are helpful.

Glad your meet-up went well yesterday ladies. I?d definitely be up for the 28th.

Charlie ? I second all the others about fluctuating boobs, especially on the pred. How are they doing now? (slightly odd question I realise, but hopefully you know what I mean)

Free ? Sorry to hear that woman upset you. To her it was probably a throw away remark but I can see how it really hit home. Those kinds of comments really throw you off don?t they? I remember being out with some local mums (who I know in a we?ve-all-got-similar-age-kids-so-do-things-together-but-we?re-not-that-close-kind-of-way) shortly after yet another mc. One had two small children and was struggling with it all. In a jokey way she asked me if I wanted the baby and it really upset me. Stupid really, as it was just an off the cuff comment, but I found it really difficult to respond to. Then, I thought, I bet I?ve made throwaway comments to people that have upset them at similar times.

Stretching feelings sound promising BTW!

Ari ? Really glad your levels have dropped. That must be a relief. I really hope the bleeding stops for you and you can start to move forward.

I made the mistake of ?popping? to Westfield this afternoon for a spot of shopping. Unsurprisingly it was horrendous and I quickly dashed to a café for some respite before heading home again. I haven?t managed to write a single card yet. Ds and I made some mince pies the other day but that?s about as festive as I?ve managed to be so far.

Hope everyone else is OK!

iggi999 · 11/12/2011 18:48

My phone broke on Thursday and tonight is the first chance I've had to get on the computer - my life is empty! Hope everyone is ok and I will read back through once ds is asleep.

Arianrhod · 11/12/2011 12:02

Hi ladies .. Sorry not been on since Fri but things so manic here haven't been able to get the laptop out, and on phone now so apologies for lack of meaningful content! I do not get on with the keyboard on the iPhone at all, drives me bonkers!

Well in a nutshell hCG level dropped as it should Fri so Mr S happy all is ok, as we thought. Just waiting for bleeding to stop and results of NK cell testing, then appt with Mr S on Jan 4th to talk about what next.

choccy how you doing? I read all your posts, you are absolutely allowed to feel as you do and bugger off to anyone who is less than sympathetic or doesn't understand. Sod 'em, you take care of yourself.

cheerful definitely lack of boob soreness (and generally fluctuating on/off symptoms) are very common for early pregnancy, even more so for those on Pred. I know that doesn't help a great deal, but hang in there until you can see for yourself what's going on inside.

Laughed a lot to hear about the written analysis going on at the meet-up, but what's this about royal jelly? I take that as it's supposed to increase egg quality, so a bit alarmed to hear I shouldn't be??

free hope you're doing ok today? Don't you worry about those who make comments about when people should or shouldn't have had children by. It's easy for outsiders to judge, although they shouldn't. Ignore them, it's just ignorance.

digi I am further awed by your domestic skills. Making Christmas cards, all your present wrapped?? I couldn't even manage decorating the tree with DD yesterday, we were supposed to spend the afternoon doing the tree but she decided after about 2 minutes she didn't want to after all. Oh and after going out especially to buy blueberries because she wanted to bake blueberry muffins, which we then duly did, when they came out of the oven she then decided she didn't like them! Aarrgghh.

Right, decorating to do .. /waves to everyone, hope you're all having fun whatever you're up to today!

freelancegirl · 11/12/2011 11:10

Waves to scooter, Digi and choccy who I crossed posts with. Digi, sounds lovely and festive. I love the idea of doing Christmas properly but then forget and barely send a card or buy a present! Might get something for the people who spend Xmas day with but as a family we have no real Xmas traditions and my parents, who spoil me rotten throughout the year, aren't that into Xmas presents. Dh and I rarely get each other anything either! And are often somewhere sunny for Xmas and new year. Grounded this year of course so maybe I should make more of an effort!

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freelancegirl · 11/12/2011 11:04

Hello all, am in Brighton for the weekend and not ways got connection here so haven't cracked open the laptop all weekend! Been quite nice really as usuall am welded to it. Have been lurking on phone but difficult to be posting much.

Choccy so sorry it all seems to have hit you, it's bound to catch up with you after everything you've been through. I hope you're looking after yourself and just taking it easy.

Cheerful I am with you on the symptom spotting/ symptom disappearing so I can't talk, but the others are right, things ate different on the Pred and mr s even said symptoms can be masked so we just have to trust in the PUPO theory! Hard I know. I am with you, my boobs only occasionally 'feel' anything. Am thinking surely if I were properly pregnant they would be doing something!? I always think that having not had a successful pregnancy to compare to is a disadvantage but maybe in some ways it leaves me blissfully ignorant too. Try not to mental too much, it's not going to do you any good. But we are here for hand holding.

I did v well with the party last night. Told a couple of friends am very close to and drank clear drinks all night from dh at the bar. Stayed out till midnight, but it's amazing how alcohol makes it much easier to sit in one room for hours and hours. Sober it's not the same. One of the girls there was pregnant and hadnt found out until she was 14 weeks!!! Imagine. She's had no horrible first trimester and some of here have had 10 months of that this year, with nothing yet to show for it. Mind you, she wasn't TTC so it took a bit of adjustment for them as they are both v high flyers with a penchant for exotic travel and had no near future plans for kids.

Another weird thing happened to me regarding kids yesterday. It affected mea bit. We had lunch with friends and their friends and one of the women asked if I had kids. Usually I say 'not yet' quite genuinely as I am of the age, I have always thought, when it's still a possibility, but she said 'it's unusual to meet people who don't have kids'. It was weird, like it's a done deal! I later flung out that she is 50 and maybe she thought I was older too (hope not, as I like to think I can scrub up ok when I need to) but also I think there was something in my demeanour that gave me away as being awkward about it this time. As really what I wanted to say was well I am hoping to have one by July, if I could just stop killing these damn babies.

Also odd for me is that only around half if my social circle DO have kids, ad again we are still at the age (again, I hoped) that it's either just happening or still being contemplated! Maybe I am bring over-analytic being my current state.

Anyway, am wittering. Fluctuating symptoms from me here too. Definitely a lot more stretching-like movement than previous pregnancies but who knows if that's good or bad?! Oh, and I just had honey on toast for breakfast! Agh!

Love to all xxx

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ChoccyPud · 11/12/2011 11:01

cheerful just to echo Scooter, try not to worry too much. Get a scan ASAP so you can have a look in there. Hugs

LMAO at Scooter's comment about BIL... You're quite feisty for a small girl aren't you?!! And yes a little bit of P&P is always cheering... sigh :)

Hi everyone else... Ari any news from second hcg test on Friday? Free how you doing?