We are all jolly well going to smack the rat this month and grow a baby and we'll brook no argument. And probably eat some cake too.

Hello Popcorn and Beedle - so can you get a smiley face but still not actually ovulate for a few days down to stress etc? interesting. So worth sticking to the general advice which is to try and rat-smack every other day after AF has fled the house to at least cd20 (or longer if you have long cycles)?

And don't worry about the FIL - just have a nice quiet one on the floor, no squeaky beds etc. It's all worth it for the cause...

I can't smack any rats, we have FIL visiting! :(
I hope today was wrong...... maybe I was unusually sober or something........... :o

more big hugs to Bartlett and Munkiii

Popcorn are you sure you're 3dpo? Lots of watery CM and a low temp would suggest ovulation is about to happen (in my non-expert opinion). Looking at your chart, if your temp 2 days ago (1dpo) was a bit wrong (disturbed sleep, a few beers the night before, taking it later than normal), then perhaps you're just about to ovulate. Though I see you got a +ve OPK, perhaps your body was going to ovulate and then it was delayed until now - go and smack that rat

Wish I could follow my own advice, but there's no rat smacking going on here today as someone (not me!) had too much to drink last night at a party and is still in bed sleeping off his hangover

Oh Bartlett I'm really sorry to hear your news. Stay strong

My temp plummeted this morning (should be 3DPO) and FF is now saying I've not ovulated, sob. I also have floods of watery CM, which I've not had before (or at least, not the past few cycles that I remember). I know the odd anovulatory cycle isn't unusual, but I reckon this'll be the 2nd out of 5 cycles :(
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I didn't wholly chart my first cycle, but the temps are so very much lower than my recent cycles that I'm 99% sure I didn't ov then either. I was also very very stressed for a couple of months so I had put it down to that :(

Sounds wise Scarlet. Hope you're ok Munkiii - ok as you can be I mean. It's weird how your body knows all sorts before you actually crystallise the thoughts.

Oh Munkii I'm really sorry to hear that the bleeding's getting worse. I do think a lot can be said for instinct and I had the same feeling as you before my second mc. But at the same time, when you've already experienced an mc it's natural that you'll be wary when getting future BFPs. Get plenty of rest and allow yourself to feel however you want to feel. If you drink have some tonight and cuddle up with your DH/DP.

It probably is a good idea to get checked out at your local EPU, they'll be able to check that the pregnancy was in the right place and that your HGC levels are coming down. And you never know, until it's confirmed there's still a chance that things are as they should be and you're just having some kind of pregnancy bleed. ((hugs))

Thanks for all the kind thoughts, am sending extra brooking to Bartlet

Bleeding getting heavier, so what little hope I had left rapidly fading.

You know something inside stopped me joining the brookers on the ante natal thread, must have had a funny feeling

Feel free to ask any other abbreviations!

Or guess

Sad news bartlet and munkii, so sorry.

I was just popping in to say I'm getting very enthusiastic about peeing on sticks, but it seems rather frivolous in this light.

I'm still not entirely sure what brooking is (along with loads of other of this threads acronyms, tho I think I'm working some of them out), but, like bean I'm doing it extra hard.

Keep up the good work Beedle.

Finally caught up after a few days away, Bartlett I don't think we've "met" but my thoughts are with you and your baby.

Munkii very sorry to hear your news too

I´m on CD9 so expecting to pop an egg out over the next few days, hopefully there will be some more SWI tomorrow :)

Congrats on the scan Biscuits

Bartlett - thanks for sharing and my thoughts are with you during this trying time (sorry - can't find the right words). I hope that Addenbrookes come through for all of you; I have also heard that they are excellent there.

We all need to brook like buggery this month I feel. x

Thank you so much. My husband laughs at my strange Mumsnet friends ("Well, of course, I don't know any of their real names, DH!?!") but your messages are lovely.

Neither of us slept very well last night, but DH and DS have gone out to play this morning. I think we both wish we could just see the consultant now and plan what happens next, rather than wait until Tuesday.

bean, it is not a MC, but our scan showed that our baby has some significant problems, likely chromosomal problems, which may or may not be compatible with life. Things are just a bit up in the air at the moment until we have a better idea of what we are dealing with.

Munkii, sending lots of hugs your way as well. Sorry to read that.

Biscuits, I won the bet too! We all knew it was going to be an anterior placenta! With DS, the kicks came later (definitely by 20 weeks, perhaps by 18) then were very strong.

farfalla, looking forward to seeing your BFP confirmed in the next few days.

Very sorry to hear your news Munkii

Ooops, got my ]] wrong, the link is here xx

Bean, we have an ante-natal brooking thread too for when you are a PSEPP (pee stick endorsed pregnant person) - [[http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/antenatal_clubs/1321471-Rats-Successfully-Smacked-the-No-Brookers-uneventful-pregnancy-and-pain-free-birth-thread here]. Although as you can see, us PSEPPs like to hang around here still, and equally we welcome visitors in the vomitorium (as we like to call it)

Popcorn - let's hold hands and not test too early. Dreadful waste of the dosh (we need it for the nappies) and AF is the best proof of BF either way. Different case for Far of course. I am 3dpo btw Pop, I think. At least I got the surge on cd12 and this is cd16..?! Had my cake iced last night, in terms of SWI. Trying hard to control hope/despair factor this month. Brooking for you Pops. So is the rat-smacking done for the month you reckon? Boobie train in the sidings?

I wasn't really around to know about Bartlett's journey and don't know which 'other' thread is being referred to, but I fear something has happened. The problem with MC is that it's common but still really awful for each individual. If it's a platitude, I'm apologise, but I have one friend who says she seemed to have to have a miscarriage per each sticky bean - and now she has three kids so there it is. She didn't ever go to docs. Sorry - feel that I'm not being very helpful but trying to brook for all of us. x

I agree with scream, you have huge willpower far! I am 2DPO and I am already googling "similar charts" in fertilityfriend :o (I am considering not temping for the rest of my cycle so I stop obsessing, but I'm not sure if I can )

Munkii I'm so sorry :(
If you had the last one before DD, though, it would imply that it's not a case of serial mc iykwim, which bodes really well for the next time. Sorry I don't have anything more positive to say, it sucks big time :(

Munkii I'm so sorry to hear your news. I have nothing to say that could possibly make it any better, but I'm thinking of you, no brooking, and sending lots of hugs your way!

Far fingers crossed for nice sticky BFP this month for you. When did the doc advise testing? I guess you're balancing the risk of seeing an early bfn against the chance that you might catch a positive in time to make a difference? I'm amazed you have the willpower to not start testing straight away! (I'm hopeless at self control tho, so I marvel at anyone who does have it!)

Oh Munkii lots and lots of hugs for you. I am very sorry.

Have just seen Bartlet's news as well on the other thread. She sounds so strong. Am brooking so hard for both of you.

Congrats on the scan Biscuits

Sorry to post and run but am trying to get some uni work done before a few long shifts over the weekend

Oh munkii. I'm so sorry to hear your news

I hope you have lots of support in RL. And we're here whenever you need to talk about it.

Lots of hugs going your way xxx

Little - yes it was an anterior placenta! The sonographer said that 'can be one of the reasons'. Think she was trying to say politely that it might be my pre pg tum!! But I'm sticking with the anterior placenta excuse!

oh shit munkii I'm so sorry to hear that. Take care of yourself & we're all here to support you xx

biscuits very pleased to hear your scan went well. did they tell you your placenta was at the front and that was why you haven't been feeling the crumb wriggling?