Just MC and ready to try again? Pack your leathers, black nail polish, air guitar and jump in the mosh pit for some serious metalling. All welcome! (Part 18)

Thanks for that Poppy. I guess it positive stories about both inductions and c-secs, esp emergency one's, are more few and far between. Personally, I would put off the induction for as long as possible but as it's being done for diabetic reasons rather than 'estimated due dates' I think that might be a bit foolish. I do still think that birth in general is overmedicalised a lot though, and things 'hurried along' which leads to more problems, not always neccessarily. A friend of mine was induced 6 days, six days after her due date which led to a very long and drawn out failed induction ending in a c-sec, and another mate of mine had forceps, but did't sign the form / be talked through to 'help' as she was tired. Stories like this make my hair stand on end!

I am really sorry but I can't help with the Metformin nausea as my type of diabetes is totally different so not sure if this is usually the case or not. Diabetes UK have some message boards you could maybe ask on there...? I have lurked on there from time to time and they are all very friendly, but it makes me feel a bit weird sometimes (lots of stuff about how you can't have hot baths if diabetic, for example) as if I have a serious illness / disability rather than something I simply live and deal with which is no big deal.

How long till ovulation...?! We need to sort it by then, eh! (Why I am saying 'we' I am not sure but bear with me...)

baby I ended up with an induction followed by emergency c-section with DS and actually it was fine, definitely not the horror scenario I had imagined it to be after NCT classes etc. Don't panic, all will be well :)

So whilst I thought I may have escaped side effects from the metformin, last night I felt incredibly nauseous....I really hope that passes otherwise an (ahem) essential component of the babymaking process will be missing.... Not sure I can swi when trying to keep absolutely still and concentrate on not vomiting...

I am hopeful that by the time I ovulate things will improve a bit

Thanks MissScarlett

Manda I am amazed at your baby pushing properties! Apparently, even with very good control, diabetics can have bigger babies so am already starting to panic about that. I also, while I am on a roll, starting to overthink the fact that a) I will prob be induced at 38 weeks (at the latest) and b) it may end in a section or something hideous like forceps (both nightmare scenario's.) I think it's the lack of wine, it's turning me into a worry wort!

leedy - hope you feel better soon

babysaurus - everything crossed for your scan

poppy - glad you got such great info

pebspop - both plans are good and I understand the 'like magic' bit I'm hoping for something vaguely similar with my pledge to not test until after Christmas no matter what happens.....

IQ - so glad your DH is home

piemistress - I never managed to show with my 17 week mc so showing is a good thing, I think.

Marthasharbour - I am CD20, 3DPO, so we're in a similar place!

I think the 'link' the nhs testing works off of is that those with higher BMI's are more prone to GD. That's oneof the reasons you're weighed at booking (and then never again ) to determine your BMI and so risk of developing GD.

And, baby I'm ashamed happy to say DS2 was a super quick, natural delivery with no stitches (or bloody pain relief which I did want - there just wasn't time!). Not even a graze. Second stage (which is known as the 'pushing' stage) was logged as 6mins in my notes but have to say I didn't actually consciously push myself, I had 'involuntary' pushing logged. So... my body just literally did it all itself with no conscious effort from me!

Of course, he was my third, and my two previous babies were a nice size, if not massive.

So, with gestational diabetes are those more prone to it also those with higher BMI's? Manda did you end up having a section with the nearly ten pounder, or not? Sorry if you have said before.

You've just reminded me... I want a GTT this time.

Years ago, I had symptoms of pcos and the dr took blood... the results were that I had androgen levels that would rival a teenage boys! She said that given my symptoms and bloods she considered me to have pcos and that a scan would confirm it but as I wasn't a) ttc or b) she implied there was no treatment as such and c) it wasn't a 'nice' experience (dildocam, I guess - and I was much younger when all this happened) she didn't think it necessary.

Anyway. I've never had a problem falling pregnant despite late ovulation. But DS2 was 9lb 12oz and compared to DD (7 13) and DS1 (8 1) so it's quite a jump... I just reckon it's best to get checked even though they wouldn't usually because my bmi is very good.

The type 1 / type 2 / gestational diabetes is very confusing yes. As you are probably all aware due to my boring droning on, most people know someone who is type 2 and therefore assume I am too, so I brought on my condition myself. It does my head in!

I think they may be able to do a glucose tolerance test with just a finger prick - two hours after drinking some Lucozade or similar, I think. It doesn't have to be a vein (shudder). I sympathise with the veins thing, I have had terrible problems myself and I now get very hot and bothered. The best, by far, are phlebotomists (I may have spelt that wrong) as they do it all day. When I was rushed to A&E when I had my miscarriage the A&E nurse said my veins were 'grim' and it look FOUR different members of staff several attempts each before someone managed to get a canula in! I would make a terrible junkie...

Thanks baby that is brilliant info

I don't think I did have any tests related to glucose, I always had to go to the hospital for my blood tests as the gps and midwives could never manage to find a vein so I suspect they just told me to have the minimum to avoid lots of trips. It is certainly a possibility, the consultant who saw me when I was in labour mentioned gestational diabetes too (ended up with emergency c section unsurprisingly!)

Thanks again for all of that information! There is so much confusion out there about diabetes isn't there.

Poppy some info

I am a Type 1 diabetic which is quite different to a Type 2. Basically, my pancreas doesn't work so my body does not make insulin, hence I have to inject it. Type 2 diabetics tend to develop a resistance to insulin over a period of time and it is linked to poor diet and obesity. They can try diet and exercise, then drugs such as Metformin and, as a last resort, insulin injections.

Apparently diabetics, all types inc gestational, can have bigger babies as they put on weight as they need to produce more insulin if the mothers blood sugar is consistently high. Hmm, I wonder if you had that then. Did you not have a glucose tolerence test? I don't know whether they are offered to everyone or not (as I already have a type of diabetes they won't need to check to see if I am developing another!)

Pie just wanted to add after x post - I am in constant fear of the bedtime thing...at the moment (touch wood desperately) DS is very good at bedtime but I am all too aware how quickly things can change! You have my sympathies Its a phase its a phase its a phase its a phase - to quote someone clearly very learned in the ways of the toddler: "this too shall pass"

Pie I am very bloated too but can't work out what's pregnancy related and what's just general lack of tone I tend to wear empire line / loose clothes anyway (am not huge, btw, but do have a bit of a tummy) so luckily have not had to dress any differently. Blue, as you're two weeks ahead of me, how's your middle looking? (In comparison to normal.)

baby excited for you about the scan!

I was trying to remember who had said they were diabetic, I thought it was you...do you have any experience of Metformin, or is it something normally given to Type 2 peeps? Sorry I am totally clueless about the various types of diabetes....

It was very interesting actually, the consultant thinks I may have had something akin to gestational diabetes with DS as a result of the insulin resistance - I didn't really follow his train of thought on that one, I'll have to wait for his write up of our appointment for that - but he did ask whether DS was a big baby (he was 8lb7oz, which is big for my 5'1" size 8 frame anyway) and said that this was an indicator. Anyhoo this means a lot more blood-tests and monitoring next time around...

I was also very interested in his theories on the way insulin problems can increase the risk of mc (I think I might do some further googling myself on that score as again, he blinded me with science a little bit!)

Bouncing back in briefly to say poppy that's brilliant news! What a pro-active consultant! Fingers crossed the drugs do their stuff this month :) You must be so relieved to have an action plan in place! That's really great!

Oooo baby that has come around quickly!

leedy ouch your chest infection sounds nasty! Hope this last round of antibiotics nips it in the bud and you get better soon!

IQ how lovely to have your DH back at last! Is that him at home on leave now until the birth?

martha HI! I'll have a pork buttie with HP sauce and gerkins please! :) Great to see you back on here :)

manda hope you're doing okay chick, it's great you can get reassurance from the doppler, and go for an extra scan at 16w if that would help to see bubs. I think I will be having extra scans if this pregnancy continues. I'm just constantly analysing everything I don't know whether or not to have the flu jab till after 12 weeks and have a bit of a stress about it all.

blue how many weeks are you now? I also work in a male dominated environment (although still quite a few girlies in the office).

eve how's things? I totally understand about not wanting to tell people. With DS I held off till 15 weeks but there is no way I will be able to hide this one that long if I get that far. My tummy already looks huge and bloated and i'm having to dress very carefully for work.

My head is still very much firmly in the sand but i've got horrific belly bloat and looking at old photos my tummy is the same size at 9 weeks as it was at 20 weeks with DS I can't stop eating though as it helps keep the nausea away.

Sorry for not name checking everybody! After a great few months of hassle free bedtimes ie/ putting DS in his cot straight after stories and then he talks to his cuddly toys for a while before falling asleep for 12 hours seems to have gone by the wayside I knew it was too good to last! He just wants more and more stories then cries when I put him in his cot and yells 'books! 'books'! and the cries on/off for a while before falling asleep! So my evenings are a bit more fraught at the moment and we're not sitting down to dinner till much later! It's just a phase though

Love to all
Pie x

Hi all, busy day today so this will have to be short.

Poppy glad to hear how it went today, it all sounds very positive indeed. Am curious, as a Type 1 diabetic (so insulin dependent) about the insulin links. Might do a bit of Goggling later.

Scan is now five days from tomorrow, not that I am counting or anything (much!!) Am already excited but terrified. God knows what I'll be like by next Monday...

Mmm, leek and bacon for me please....

Afternoon all...sorry for being a bit awol myself for the last few days! Last week utterly wiped me out but we had a lovely time at my Brother's and my nephew was sooo cute the whole time too!!

IQ to DH being back...I'm not suprised he was a bit by your bump...you probably look utterly different from when he last saw you!! Hope all is well and you're having a lovely time showing him all the things you've been making these last few weeks and telling him yuor plans for the nursery etc as well as generally 'catching up' with each other of course

marthas I work in Construction, hence the rather male environment and do bid submissions hence the periodic crazy stressful weeks and deadlines! Good to see you back!

manda hope you're doing ok, I've also had metalling moments even though I am well past MMC point from last time but it's not easy waiting in between appointments, scans etc. Hope the doppler is helping but would an interim scan help before Christmas...when is your 20w one scheduled for?

pebs sounds like your DH may have a point but still v frustrating to still be waiting!

poppy consultant appointment sounds like such a breath of fresh air and to get a plan of action so quickly is fantastic!! Looking forward to hearing how you get on!

leedy really hope you feel better soon...

I'm having a bit of a thing for soup this week so wondered whether anyone would like some nice homemade tomato and basil soup or leek, bacon and potato soup with some nice crusty rolls?

oooh and Manda sorry for pushing you out the way - OF COURSE i wanted to give you a hug too!! nice to be back in the mosh pit

poppy, so glad your visit to the specialist went well - sounded very helpful and informative!

I am definitely off for trying before AF comes back as I am now on round FOUR (ding ding ding!) of antibiotics for my stubborn chest infection and they're contraindicated for pregnancy (also the vast amounts of antihistamines I'm taking for the rash I developed as a result of the infection and all the antibiotics). Also had to have chest x-ray to check for pneumonia and give what I can only describe as a phlegm sample. Joy. It's actually made me think that there's a (tiny) upside to my m/c as I'd have been incredibly sick if I was still pregnant and/or making tough decisions about medications - I had a chest infection that wasn't quite this bad when pg with DS and it was hellish. At least now I can just nuke the thing from orbit.

oh oh sorry for being AWOL when i have only just joined you again went to the IL's at the weekend and was given a mahoosive lie in on Sunday morning as the gramps took charge of DS

have only skimmed the thread but big waves and un-MN hugs to everyone good to catch up with you all again

IQ your post made me feel all warm and fluffy - this bit

hey gang!

i am back from my weekend away and back in work - boo! got toothache so need to go to dentist, was hoping to get away with it until i am pg!

manda the consultant said i will only take the injections once they see a heartbeat around week 7. i have to take asprin from bfp. sorry to hear you are feeling nervous, it is understandable. would you be able to go for a scan to reassure you?

poppy i used to hate blood tests too but i am so used to them now i don't mind anymore.

i asked dh about trying before oz and he said it was a good idea to make the time go quicker but he still wants to wait. he said going on long haul flights and drinking/eating what i want on holiday isn't going to help me if i am pg. i was planning to not test until i got home when i would be around 6/7 weeks and carry on as normal(within reason) which is a bit naughty but loads of people don't know they are pg until that time anyway. he said we should ttc when we are in oz as i will ov towards the end of the holiday and the drinking/flying etc won't be as much of a problem. i know he is right but i was hoping to have a holiday and come back almost two months pg like magic! i know it's not guaranteed to work first time but you have to be in it to win it!

i can wait another month i suppose but i have still got a couple of weeks to convince him my plan is amazing!

Manda are you a medical professional by any chance? You are very knowledgeable about these things, an extremely useful resource indeed I agree re AC, I am taking it this cycle as I am just on the Met at the moment but if we get to next cycle I will stop it whilst taking the Clomid.

Re side effects, I have taken 2 tablets so far, just about to take the third with lunch. So far so good, I feel a little stomachey and a bit off my food but I have been warned to expect this and more but also been told that if I can stick with it beyond the first week at the relatively high dose then it will settle down a lot so we'll see how it goes Interestingly he said I should take the Met through first 12 weeks of pg too to lower the risk of mc so potentially I will have the Met side effects AND morning sickness competing against each other to make me feel rotten....still, PMA, it will all be worth it in the end!

I have also been warned about the risk of multiples with clomid - apparently without medication the risk is 1%, with Clomid it is 8% - still small but significantly higher I think our take on it is that what will be will be, if we end up with twins then we'll be fine (once we're over the shock, house move, new car..... ) so I am happy just to get on with it!

Sorry you are feeling paranoid Manda , it must be so hard to be approaching that point but I hope you are reassured by the doppler - it must be magical to find that heartbeat

SUMMER!! Uh, I mean, Welcome back, marthas So happy to see you.

poppy Yes, if you're going to go the clomid route then you ought to stop the AC. It's odd, as AC is known as 'natures clomid' and has a similar, if gentler, effect of stimulating Ovulation but whereas logic would tell you to take both would lead to a stronger effect, what happens is they somehow cancel each other out!

Good luck with the Met. I've seen lots of women get very upset stomach when they first start it (and lose weight!), how's it going so far? There are several strategies to split the dose over the day etc if that is happening to you.

Hoping really good things will come of this! (and by thingS, i don't mean twins fromt he clomid )

IQ how wonderful DH is back.

Sorry about af arriving for various peeps, but, y'know, for a while it really is so much more about getting right back to normal, and another af as much as you don't want it, brings you closer to that.

peb will they not want you to start injections from bfp, then, or will aspirin do until week 7?

I'm feeling ultra paranoid these days - mmc discovered at 16+1 and I'm 15+6 today... I know this is a different pregnancy, things are going well so far (I listen in briefly with my doppler every day, hb was 150 yesterday) and I haven't gotten ill but... it's just there, in my head, irrational as it may be.

poppy that sounds amazing, hopefully you'll see some results very, very soon. Sounds well worth his money.