With angel babies in the sky, some of us expecting rainbow babies, others still ttc and definitely swi!!

Dachs how awful for you, what a shock you have had. Praying that they manage to sort things out quickly for you.
green hope your day at work went well
cheese really hope things are improving with your dh and that he has managed to avoid a transfusion
Also hope you are feeling a little better ciwi

Hello to everyone else

Dachs what news to hear, I hope everything turns out ok for you and your healthy baby. I hope its a false alarm. Hugs.

dachs that must be very worrying for you, but you sound like your in good hands. I had an ectopic pg with my second pg however was only discovered late when it had burst the tube, so hopefully they have caught it early for you and fx for the healthy twin.

It sounds like you're in good hands, as you say. And yes, this was the last thing you needed!

Physically I'm fine. I've had no bleeding and I've had some pain, but I put that down to the IVF as last time I had sore ovaries for a while after the procedure as well. My obstetrician has arranged for me to see a chap privately on Thursday who's a massive specialist in early pregnancy scans so although I'm really worried I guess I have to trust the doctor that Thursday will be ok. My obstetrician is a specialist in laparascopic surgery for ectopics, amongst other things, so I think I'm in good hands. I'm just desperately worried about the risks to the healthy baby.

I could really have done without this rollercoaster though!

Dachs, I am so, so sorry. I hope it turns out to be a false alarm, or else that they manage to operate without affecting the healthy twin. How do you feel physically? Any pain or bleeding? Can't they get you scanned any sooner than Thursday? Sending you and DH much love.

dachs I have everything crossed for you, im with too in the hand holding.xx

The sonographer seemed fairly sure about the ectopic as there was lots of free fluid in the pelvis and a v swollen left ovary, which she said were significant indicators. My obstetrician has arranged for me to have a scan with a specialist early pregnancy chap on Thursday, so we'll find out more then. If it is confirmed then they will need to operate ASAP - obviously with risks to the healthy one.

What does that mean, Dachs? Yay for the little heartbeat, anyway, but the ectopic twin sounds very worrying. Were they sure? What will they do about it?

One healthy heartbeat. One potential ectopic twin. Having scan from specialist on Thursday before I see my obstetrician. Am completely mentalling and madly worried.

green hope your first day at work goes well.

dachs How was your scan, hope everything is well?

too that is terrible! Some people are so hungary for attention is ridiculous.

dachs hope the scan goes well and the little one (does it have a bump name?) is wriggiling around and waving at you.

cheese been thinking of you all morning I hope it is going ok.

Good luck at your scan, Dachs!

Cheese, how are things this morning? Did you get through the night ok?

Green, some people are ridiculous - upset them?! Honestly. It reminds me of DH's colleague, who was clearly upset about something and being really short with him. She had a long private discussion with their boss and afterwards, the boss told DH that S was upset with him. DH asked her to come into the meeting room and asked her straight out what he'd done to upset her. She burst into tears and said he hadn't done anything, it was just that ppl kept asking her how he was doing and it was really hard for her, and the whole thing with Thea had been so hard because it brought back all her memories of ttc herself and failing (think she had had failed IVF attempts). You have to know this woman to understand, but it was as if she couldn't stand the attention to be directed away from her for one minute longer and she had to make DH's crisis all about her. I was appalled when DH told me. He said he wound up comforting her because his personal trauma had upset her! Grr. Anyway, hope today goes well for you!

Dachs, it really cheered me up to read that subsequent babies are supposed to help with the healing process and don't feel like a replacement! I'm glad you told us that.

green Good luck today. I hope it goes well, but at least you have a nice boos if it all gets too much for you.

angel I'm sure you and Ant will be fine when GILS arrives - my obgyn said that having a baby after a stillbirth or late loss actually helps the healing process and takes some of the pain away from the memory rather than feeling like a replacement - I'm hoping this is true if my current pg works out.

cheese How is DH doing today? I have everything crossed that the bleeding stops and he starts recovering.

First scan at 12 today - have had hardly any sleep worrying about it so am completely knackered now! :)

Green good luck. You may find work is good for you as a distraction. When I returned my counsellor said " unfortunately it will be up to you to let people know when is good to talk about Georgie and when's not." she said people will wait to be guided by me as they won t want to upset me. This sounds the same; maybe you need to let them know what/ how you want them to be with you.

cheese thinking of you.

First full day of work today, so might be a bit tough. I started a proper exercise regime yesterday, in the attempt to de-stress and also to loose some pg weight to help along ttc. I need to start feeling better about myself and having this extra weight cant help. My boss has already said that if it gets to much then I can go home early so we shall see.

Work has been ok but several of them have said that they will not mention Ophelia as it will upset them! Excuse me! Upset you? I told one guy that I loved talking about Ophelia which I do, DH and I talk about her all the time but I know thats different. I suppose they saw me crying on thursday and now think they cant say anything or they dont know what to say. Its like Im constintly laying down the new rules of how to act and talk around me if you know what I mean.

hope you all have a good day.

Too I agree with you I too worry about wheter after GILS is here me and Ant will be total basketcases!! I feel, since Georgie died we ve literally been holding our breath. I mentioned this to my Midwive. But on reflection if I do develop it we ll come through it as we have done up to now.
Us (ie; with losses on here have battled through so much already I view it that there's nothing we couldn't handle now)
Ciwi I think it was you who mentioned not always admitting you already had Ciaran I think it's a personal issue and a lot depends on your ( ours) mood of the day. I have had quite a few people ask me if this is my first and I always tell them about Georgie. On a course at work last week a member of staff from my trust asked me if this was my first cue ; my Georgie tale. She was visibly upset , offered me condolences , advised me her daughter is currently pregnant and wouldn t be telling her daughter about me as it " would scare her" !!
This annoyed me, I can understand the reason behind what she was saying but as I said to her. " people need educating about stillbirth, it needs to be talked about. I was blissfully unaware of stillbirth to it happened to me" not to scare her daughter but why should I be made to feel me and what happened to Georgie needs to be put in a box , shut away from the world.
Can t believe it's nearly work time again
Grh.... Xx

Oh Cheese. I hope the bleeding stays stopped and he doesn't need a transfusion. I hope you both manage to get some sleep tonight. I have just Googled ITP because I am very ignorant and had never heard of it before. Good luck for tomorrow - will he have to stay in tomorrow if there's a bed? Glad you've got your mum helping out. Hope you make your appts on Tues - are you diabetic, or are they just testing you?

Ciwi, that must have been so hard! I don't know what I would say in that situation (luckily it hasn't arisen yet) but I expect I would do the same - much easier than explaining everything. It's tough - I don't want to deny Thea, but I can see that in some situations not telling people about her would be so much easier for me. I think that you have to do whatever helps you get through the day, and having to explain it all to semi-strangers who wouldn't know what to say would definitely make it harder to cope. Ciaran won't mind - he knows that you love him just as much whether you talk about him or not.

Family is different - they won't have forgotten, they just want to be able to tell you how pleased they are that you're pregnant again! And they're scared of upsetting you if they mention Ciaran, I expect.

I wonder how Spilt is getting on with baby Freya. I do worry about the post-natal period - coping with having a baby that isn't Thea. I hope she (Spilt, I mean!) is getting along swimmingly!

Quick update on dh. Just got home and knackered. We started in a&e and then moved to a ward. They wanted to keep him in because of the bleeding and his platelet levels had dropped again. They're 11 now :( He just refused to stay in so, if any bleeding overnight all 999 basically overwise we have to call in the morning to see if there's a bed and go in again.

He had a cannula put in for ease of blood taking earlier but that's out now. The haematologist will be seeing him tomorrow to discuss what to do and more bloods taken to see how he's responding to the medicines. His steroid dose was upped and he now has to take 32 of those a day along with transexmic acid (sp) to try and stop the bleeding which he was started on today.

Hoping his levels go up and that he won't need a transfusion. So worried now, he's so stubborn :( My mum's been great and been looking after the dcs while we were out and will be again tomorrow. School starts on Tues. I'm supposed to be going in on Tues morning myself to see a diabetic nurse and a nuchal scan in London on Wednesday, have to see about that now!

No more spotting though touch wood.

ciwi please don't feel like you were ignoring your baby boy, you did what you felt able to cope with at the time which is all any of us can ever do. Your pregnancy deserves lots of congratulations as you are growing a special brother/sister for Ciaran and he will watch over them like the angel he is. Don't be too hard on yourself.
too boo for the sickness, it is bloody awful
angel it is fab you have the energy to clean out your kitchen, all I want to do is sleep.

hi everyone, can't believe another weekend is nearly through! they go so fast.
cheese hope your DH is ok x
too your midwife sounds really nice, offering to come round every week. wish i had one like that.
blue still got my fx for you and mel your symptoms sound promising x
razz totally understand the lack of nausea stress, mine has been very much off and on this time and everytime I felt better I was stressing.
Hi to everyone else, sorry for the short post from me, I have been feeling a bit upset lately. Someone in my new job asked me if I had any children and there were loads of other people around so I just said no because it was easier and I have felt rotten about it since, like I am ignoring my little boy. I was also at a family bbq yesterday and everyone was congratulating us on this baby, I felt like Ciaran was getting pushed out already :( it's so hard sometimes

Spoke too soon - feel v sick (and highly sorry for myself)! Bleurgh. Cooking chilli is really not helping. Keep looking at the seeds in the courgette and wanting to hurl. DH helpfully said his manflu was making him feel just as bad .

Mmm... Could be!!! There again, could be just cleaning our messy kitchen!!