With angel babies in the sky, some of us expecting rainbow babies, others still ttc and definitely swi!!

too I am really pleased that you have a date sorted, are you going into work between now and then?? Just thinking that it might help the time pass more quickly though I am sure you will not be able to concentrate on anything!!
ciwi I think your idea of a birthday cake is fab and angel your outlook on why you should celebrate is wonderful and has choked me up. I made changes to my life after loosing Thomas that I feel he led the way for me to do so.
cheese am glad that things dont seem quite as bad as you initially thought, you certainly need a rest from complications!!

Well, it looks like the next two weeks on this thread are going to be difficult for quite a few of us for various reasons and I just wish us all the strength in the world and so many prayers that all will be well xx

Hi everyone.

Amnio booked for Mon 17 Oct. It has to be at RIE or it would have meant waiting until the 26th, so I am trying to be sensible and think that it is only a building and not everyone in it is incompetent and bean will not be doomed just because I am going back there. Anyway, I should know the results by the Friday at the latest and hopefully by the Wednesday.

Angel, that's such a lovely sentiment - Georgie can only be celebrated! That's so sweet. for Georgie.

Oh Too wish we had a magic wand & could grant you your birthday wish . Xxx
Ciwi . Sorry I got the date wrong kne it was very close to Georgie's birthday. we re going to her " special" place to lay dome flowers then out for lunch. I, too want it to be a celebration of the day we met our fabulous Georgie big foot ( nicknamed by my sister for obvious reasons!!!)
The only thing I want to mourn is all we missed out on for both us & Georgie . She's done such a lot of good and touched so many people she can only be celebrated.
Hope everyone gets some sleep especially those of you worrying at the moment xxx

Ciwi and Angel, I hope the birthdays go well. Making cakes sounds lovely - I shall do that when the time comes.

Cheese, it's 16 weeks because there will be more genetic material in the amniotic fluid by then. I think that's what the MW said. Also, they can do some sort of faster test at 16 weeks and the results will come back in 3-4 days, whereas if they do it earlier they have to grow the cells until they're big enough to test and that takes 2 weeks.

Maybe they're just being cautious because of the GD? I hope they take good care of you!

Dad just called and I thought my sister had told him, but it turned out he was just calling to ask what I want for my birthday (which is Friday). I told him about it and he was really good, all positive and calm, which has cheered me up a bit. When he asked if there was anything specific I wanted for my birthday my mind went totally blank, because all I could think of was that I wanted my baby to be ok.

angel it's the 12th. I think we will go to the cemetery with flowers and light his candle and release a balloon, then maybe go out for some lunch with dh and get the family round in the evening for birthday cake and tea. You are right, the build up is often worse than the event. I keep getting upset thinking he would be nearly one. Do you know what you are going to do for georgie's birthday?
cheese the day itself may not have happy memories but Scarlett is a happy memory so just focus on that, you can make her birthday a happy occasion x

Ciwi is Ciarans birthday the 11 th? Sorry if I m wrong. Georgie's is the 10 th. I think the day itself won't be too bad , of course upsetting, but it is often the lead up Isn t
It? I also want this weekend over & done with as that will be an exact year since we found out Georgie had died. What did you decide to do on the day?
Lots of love and positive vibes to
cheese , razz & too I so hope you all get the answers you want & deserve soon.
Hi Jane, Shakey & * Blue thanks for all your good wishes.
Hope everyone else is ok?
Love to all xxx

ciwi a happy occasion, that would be nice, I think I'll try the same for Scarlett. I'd planned on balloons for her grave, writing cards and letting the dcs draw pictures, some little toys maybe too. I don't really have happy memories of that day, some regrets now but I did what I had to at the time. Getting teary thinking about it I hope the day is a happy one for you, as much as possible xx Thanks again for the advice, it's really helped, totally stressing out over everything the past few days.

cheese I feel ok at the moment, I am trying to make his birthday a happy occasion, I just hope that I can manage that on the day. The day itself has happy memories for us as we got to cuddle him all day and our family all visited for cuddles, I am going to try and focus on that and remember the time we had with him.
I think they will probably just monitor your levels to make sure they don't get any worse. The body needs thyroxine to help with metabolism and creating energy so if you are stressed then you will need more thyroxine to make more energy so it does seem logical that stress can affect results but I don't know for definite.

Too also hoping the result may just have been an off one. Why does it have to be 16 weeks for an amnio? I don't know a huge deal about them and wondered if they explained it? Seems unfair that you'd have to wait so long. I could call clinic but as I'm in Friday and don't even know if she's there until then, I think some of them move around hospitals too.

ciwi thank you. It was below the range here but my gp said they may want to do something (no idea what) given my history and gestational diabetes. The midwife on the phone today said they're linked and that's why she would have tested for thyroid too so it's likely to have something to do with my GD but I just don't know in what way or how it may affect it; if at all. Hoping for not at all! Is it right that stress can affect results? I'm sure I remember reading that somewhere. (hugs) next week will be hard for you, Ciaran's cake sounds lovely :) How are you feeling? x

sorry razz I missed your last post in my eagerness to put cheese's mind at rest. I have everything crossed for you that your results come back clear. I understand that you feel like this is the last chance, I feel like that too sometimes and that is one reason why I am even more stressed about this pregnancy because I don't know if I could try again if something were to go wrong but then again I want a baby so badly as long as there is a chance I can see myself not giving up, its so hard.

cheese those results are fine, please don't worry. they are out of range but by such a tiny amount it's virtually normal. TSH lowers in pregnancy anyway, my last TSH was 0.37 and the consultant was really pleased with it, for what it's worth the levels on my notes say anything above 0.3 is in the normal range here. The t4 level fluctuates throughout the day so they tend not to bother about that so much and the antibodies are nowhere near what mine were, think mine were 190 or something like that. Hope that helps x
too sorry you have this extra stress, maybe it was just a dodgy result. My mum had the blood test and so did my mil, they both got told there was a high chance of downs and both had healthy pregnancies and babies. I also know of a woman who was classed as low risk who had a baby with downs syndrome. That was one of the reasons I declined the test x
Hi to everyone else, not much news here, just plodding along. It's Ciaran's birthday next week, I have just made a teddy bear cake as a trial run and it turned out well so I am going to make him the best cake ever next week.

Well, the consultant just called and went through everything with me. Didn't add a great deal, just that if it isn't Down's then she would want to know what had caused the abnormal blood result. She said it could be a sign of placental deterioration. Great. She was very nice, though, and explained a bit about how the hospitals work together - basically, the Fetal Medicine midwives at RIE organise it all on behalf of both hospitals, so I can have the amnio at St John's if they can get me a date that suits.

I got off the phone, discussed it with DH a bit and called the FM midwife back to make the appt and it was 16.03 and no one was there! I know they stop work at 4, but honestly. Answer machine on, no one around. So I will have to wait til tomorrow.

Ugh, it's just struck me that I have to beat two sets of odds - firstly that bean doesn't have Down's, and secondly that I don't miscarry after the test. I'm not good at beating odds! And then we have to make it through the rest of the pregnancy with a possibly dodgy placenta. Makes me wonder what a nuchal test for Thea would have shown - maybe she would have had the same odds.

Oh, and the car's just failed its MOT. Waiting for a quote for fixing the suspension and part of the exhaust.

Cheese, I can't believe you have to wait until Friday! Can't you call the consultant and discuss it over the phone? I hope the diabetic MW calls you promptly.

I really don't know what to say to all of you amazing women waiting on health "professionals" getting back in touch other than to let you know my thoughts and prayers are with you all. I hope we get good news soon xxx

Well one of the midwives called and she was very nice and helped as much as she could but she said she didn't know much about thyroid problems and that the consultant would speak with me on Friday. I'm now waiting for a call back from the diabetic midwife as my numbers have been up and down, might be because I'm still a bit ill though, have to see what they say.

Razz I really hope it will be ok.

cheese fingers crossed for you that it is nothing.

Too have you heard anything yet? I cant beleive how insensitive they are being. They need customer care management, I think if I was under the stress you are I would have said something to her, Im always a bit too blunt when under pressure or stress. I sometimes wish we could all get together and help fight each others battles, could you imagine all of us turning up to back you up like that Unison advert. Im sending every one positive energy.

Im back again!!
cheese you are quite right, the £500 includes the cvs. My results should hopefully be with me by thursday. If they are not what I am hoping for then I will be booking myself in for a cvs in London next wednesday though I have got my appointment at oxford on the tuesday. One thing I know for sure though is that I will NEVER/EVER have another baby regardless of the outcome this time. I just couldnt put myself through it again. This is the last chance.
too any news from consultant yet???

Too what are we like? You didn't upset me either! Try googling your consultants name, the consultant I had with Zoe also runs a private clinic at the Nuffield private hospital in Glasgow.

Too I think the £500 is including cvs, so a nuchal scan and cvs www.fetalmedicine.com/fmc/treatment-fees/ imo it's worth trying to find that to go there.

Hi everyone. Just waiting for someone at the hospital to call back which should be this afternoon. I'm hoping it's all just nothing and that everything will be fine. I've been looking things up since last night and have suitably stressed myself out.

My whole uterus is hurting, probably some stretching pains but I'm keeping an eye and seeing how I go. I'm so bloody fed up with it all, wondering what will go wrong next.

Too she sounds very annoying, I'd definitely give the consultant a call back if you don't hear back in a couple of hours just in case. Do you know if you want a cvs or will wait for an amnio? Their risk sounds high with cvs, I'm sure you could get it lower elsewhere, I know the fetal medicine centre has a much lower risk for example. If you're considering London then please call the fetal medicine centre, they are truely amazing. Spent ages with me when I went for an early scan and explained everything, they are very skilled too and they also work alongside private hospitals in London. I believe Wednesday is their high risk day and they always try and fit you in at short notice. Maybe it's worth calling them to ask opinion anyway? I would definitely go there. They do cvs there and also could probably do another scan to check for other indicators as well.

razz Do you know what day you'll be finding out? I hope everything will be ok.

ciwi I know that my TSH was 0.32 (0.35-5.5) T4 was 18.1 and Thyroid Peroxidaise antiobodies 72 (0-60), I've been trying to find out what it all means but it's difficult sifting through everything.

Gosh, that's a lot of money, plus train fare. Hmm. Will see what consultant says first.

too if you are able to get on a train to London and can afford it (£500 [shocked]) then if you call the fetal medicine unit in harley street the prof is there tomorrow and when I spoke to the clinic they said that you just give them your name and he will see you no matter what, even if he doesnt leave the building until midnight!! It is a lot of money to find........
See what your consultant says first, she may have other thoughts/ideas.

It wasn't insensitive, Jane, I remembered that from when you had your PM results and I was hoping that I wasn't upsetting you!

Razz, I am beginning to seriously wonder about just getting on a train to London! I tried looking up private clinics in Edinburgh but didn't get anywhere. I know the names of a couple of private hospitals here but I don't know how I find out that sort of thing.

Shit too I am sorry if i was insensitve telling you Zoe had downs. I really hope you get your answers soon, the not knowing is so hard. The ds was not a contributing factor into her death,it was my placenta that had failed.
Thinking of you x

Oh too, I often feel like just a statistic with health care professionals regarding this pregnancy. There m/c risk with the cvs is pretty high...it is 1/100 at my local hospital. I believe there is a professor that works on a wednesday at the harley street clinic that claims to never have lost a baby to cvs testing and results back within 2 days. I have it at the back of my mind as an option if needs must but I guess I am closer than you.
Hope your consultant gets back to you asap this afternoon xx

Razz, fingers crossed for you. I hope you get a happy outcome.